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That’s completely untrue. Many, many runners do not notice any weight change while training for a half, and most people gain training for a full.


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Seriously, I am not sure where you get your MOST people observations... But just like one cannot necessarily judge speed based on size alone, one cannot say weight gain occurs in MOST people training for a full.

Sorry to come across so strong but one cannot slam a person for a generalization then follow up with a generalization.

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Getting my soapbox out...

BS

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Seriously, I am not sure where you get your MOST people observations... But just like one cannot necessarily judge speed based on size alone, one cannot say weight gain occurs in MOST people training for a full.

Sorry to come across so strong but one cannot slam a person for a generalization then follow up with a generalization.

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Sorry, as usual, we disagree.
 
I just found this thread and read through it all rather quickly so I may have missed someone commenting on this. Folks that say they could have finished if they had been given a 'good' corral placement are incorrect.

People are placed into their corral based on estimated finish time. The individual runner/walker time doesn't start until their assigned corral goes over the mat. If you've trained to/race to the maximum pace allowed you will have enough time to finish the race without being swept.

People who move up in the corrals to get a 'good' placement end up causing more congestion and making the event more difficult for everyone.

I have one sweeping experience under my belt at Disney. A friend who hadn't run and was sort of Pooh sized was impressed with my running at Disney. She asked if we could plan on doing a Donald together. I said, "Sure, that would be great!"

We lived in different states at the time and kept in touch casually by email. She was supposed to be following a Galloway training program but was always rather vague about the status of her training when we talked. I figured she was a grown up and would stick to her commitments. I thought that until I met her at the airport. :sad2:

I arrived first and got to her gate to meet her (we both flew SWA just different planes). My first impression was, 'There is NO way she has been getting any exercise." She seemed upbeat and I didn't want to hurt her feelings so I didn't say anything.

Morning of the race she's optimistic and happy so I figure we'll finish and she'll be proud to do her first half marathon and it will start a lifetime of Disney running like it did for me. We start the race with a nice slow 2 min run/1 min walk like her Galloway plan so I'm feeling happy.

We made it one mile before she said she had to slow down.:eek: Our first mile took 14 min. We started to slow down from there.

I had never seen the sweeper guys on bikes before. They were circling like vultures by mile 5. They started threatening us by mile 8. I was trying to be supportive but I was getting a little angry at her because I no longer just suspected that she hadn't been training but now I KNEW. It ticked me off because my finishing record was being jeopardized and the only reason was that I had promised to finish with her. :headache:

Somewhere between mile 9-10 I realized that I would have been back at the room, showered and out to the parks if I had gone alone. I had been on the road for a longer time than any of my training runs and I REALLY had to use a port-a-pot. I made a fatal error and said I would run over and use one. SHE decided she should do the same thing. I told her to keep walking and I would catch up.

The only thing she did slower than walk was use a port-a-pot. I was done and standing outside the john waiting for her. What was she doing in there???:confused3

She comes out all smiles and starts walking. By this time we are passing the Contemporary and the guys on the bikes are literally screaming at us to pick up the pace. She doesn't seem to take them seriously or maybe she really couldn't walk any faster because she didn't.

We're with a clump of about 20 people. We're about to make the left onto the service road that heads towards MK. There's a little security shack there. I've run past it a million times. I had never noticed the big steel plates in the road before.

As we're making the turn a horde of race/security staff starts raising their hands in the air. waving them back and forth and yelling something. We're too far out to hear but apparently someone behind us understood because she took off running very fast straight toward the shack. There was a sudden metallic 'CLUNK' and two large steel plates spring up out of the ground blocking the road. Huh!

From our angle it looked like the force helped spring the runner up and over the plates allowing her to continue past the barrier and continue the race. The rest of us were stuck on the wrong side of the plates. Our little clump of 20 people grew in the hot sun with no shade or water to around 100 people.

My friend was chit-chatting with everyone and taking pictures.:grouphug: I was stewing knowing we had been swept. We stood/sat/slumped there for about 30 min before they admitted they couldn't get a bus to us and we were going to have to do the walk of shame over to the MK to catch the monorail over to the finish line at Epcot. We ended up walking almost the whole distance of the half. They escorted us to a special tent and started handing out medals. :eek: My co-racer (by this time I was sure she wasn't a friend) took the medal.:crazy2: I refused but they literally shoved one into my hand. I ended up throwing it away.

That's my story. My friend ended up doing a Wine and Dine relay with her husband some years later. We don't have any contact now and I suspect some of it is based on this race. It felt like she had lied to me about something very important and I didn't really respect her for accepting that medal.

I think they should have an "I got swept" keychain and use the brooms from Fantasia.


You are a good one because I would have totally left her.. Would have told her to "see ya at the finish line" and ran my own race.. Yeah, you all may have came together but that doesn't mean that you have to stay together.. This is what I do with people I am running with. If they are with me then good. If not, see ya at the finish line. That's just me..
 

You are a good one because I would have totally left her.. Would have told her to "see ya at the finish line" and ran my own race.. Yeah, you all may have came together but that doesn't mean that you have to stay together.. This is what I do with people I am running with. If they are with me then good. If not, see ya at the finish line. That's just me..

I was going to post something like this over the weekend.

Anyone running with someone else needs to make a pact pre-race to allow one to leave the other at some point in the race. I have attempted to run with a few folks in the past and it adds a lot of stress to both runners/ You realy do not know what race day will bring and even if you are evenly matched, one may come down with an issue.

So, long story short.... It's great to start off with another runner and great to pull one another along. But there needs to be a point or code word that gives the runner with the better day permission to pull away.

Duane Rice and I tried to run the 09 goofy together. We did great Saturday.. I PR'd and am not sure but think he either PR'd or came close. Then on Sunday, around mile 10 I told him to move on as I needed to slow up some. He was fighting a knee thing from the road camber and was not needing to wait on me. Funny thing is that I passed him a short 3-4 miles later and ended up with the weekend title. I would have stopped if I had seen him in the tent adjusting his Chopat. I think we may have played road tag for a few miles but since we both thought I was behind him, we never looked for one another.
 
That’s completely untrue. Many, many runners do not notice any weight change while training for a half, and most people gain training for a full.

Amy, I honestly haven't met one person who gained weight following a training program for a full. I know a lot of people run into issues with being hungrier and overeating, but that is not a result of training, but rather willpower.

If all those runners during the Marathon gained weight for their first race, wouldn't most of them quit after getting that medal if that was the case? Part of the reason so many people take up this sport is because of the weight loss and the acheivement X2 that they feel crossing that finish line.

There is no way I would stick with this sport if it caused me to gain weight. I would question what the underlying reasons are of someone having that issue before I would make the assumption that the training is responsible. But, I do suspect that diet is involved with that. Especially considering that so many justify eating poorly because they are going to run and supposedly burn those calories.
 
Rupert B Puppenstein said:
Amy, I honestly haven't met one person who gained weight following a training program for a full. I know a lot of people run into issues with being hungrier and overeating, but that is not a result of training, but rather willpower.

If all those runners during the Marathon gained weight for their first race, wouldn't most of them quit after getting that medal if that was the case? Part of the reason so many people take up this sport is because of the weight loss and the acheivement X2 that they feel crossing that finish line.

There is no way I would stick with this sport if it caused me to gain weight. I would question what the underlying reasons are of someone having that issue before I would make the assumption that the training is responsible. But, I do suspect that diet is involved with that. Especially considering that so many justify eating poorly because they are going to run and supposedly burn those calories.

It is possible to gain weight, mostly due to holding onto water as your endurance and muscles build. However, this seems to be usually in people who don't have much fat to lose. You burn approximately 100 calories for each mile you run (more if you weigh more), so someone who is running 20 miles a week would need to consume an additional 5600 calories on top of daily allowance to gain a pound of fat. Certainly not beyond the realm of imagine. We all know those girls who walk for two miles then say "well, I exercised today, I can have a cheeseburger, fries, and a milk shake! ". Also,, someone in decent shape in terms of fat to muscle could gain 1-2 pounds of muscle in a month, plus a few more pounds water weight.

However, if you are to the point where your body will not let you release fat, and you gaining that kind of muscle, you would still look healthy. I did a lot of looking into this when my weight started to hold steady despite running and doing Pilates. However, it plateaued after I was already well in my target weight range, with only a few pounds to that perfect number. At this point after 3 month of ramped up training, I am 2 pounds heavier, but getting a lot of comments on how much better I look than when school ended.

However, you should not be gaining huge amounts of weight while training. 1-2 pounds of muscle per month is feasible, along with the water being stored adding a bit to the scale. Also, a heavier person with a lot of fat to lose would almost certainly look like they were healthier had they been training. Remember, the person who posted this wasn't saying she had to have not exercised because she was big, but instead because she looked less healthy than she did before.
 
My sister came with me to a 10k without ever really running and I dropped her like a hot potato and never looked back. She tried to get sympathy from my mother for being deserted but my mother just shrugged and said, "you snooze, you lose."

I also met a husband/wife pair who go and participate in Disney races but have yet to be able to finish. I give them kudos for trying (repeatedly) but couldn't help wondering why they didn't tweak their training to make sure they... you know... finished.
 
My sister came with me to a 10k without ever really running and I dropped her like a hot potato and never looked back. She tried to get sympathy from my mother for being deserted but my mother just shrugged and said, "you snooze, you lose."

I also met a husband/wife pair who go and participate in Disney races but have yet to be able to finish. I give them kudos for trying (repeatedly) but couldn't help wondering why they didn't tweak their training to make sure they... you know... finished.

Glad your mother supported you with that. I think that sometimes those events are the kick in the pants that some people need to actually accomplish things for themselves. That makes me really sad about that couple. It is difficult enough to not finish or be so close to not finishing once. To have that happen over and over would be beyond heartbreaking. Do you know who they are? It makes me want to seek them out and get a group together to offer support so that they do finish their first race. I honestly really hate that so many people don't finish the races at Disney or anywhere else.
 



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