Hello Conservative thread members and democrats.

[Goofyluver]

It's not that the post hurt my feelings. Really...that post described me as an Obama supporter not at all. The post upset me because of the hate-filled rhetoric it contained.

What I find most ironic...is that the poster referred to Obama supporters as "lacking spirituality" and accuses all of us of "not believing in anything at all." The implication being that Obama supporters lack a spiritual sense and that the poster of said nonsense is a spiritual person. True kind and spiritual people do not post such hateful nonsense. My faith tells me that it's important to treat others with kindness and respect. You can debate me all you would like on the intent of the post referred to here in this thread...but there was nothing kind or respectful in that post. Nothing.

I, myself, enjoy a good debate now and then. That's VERY different from posting nonsense such as the post referenced.

 

[Iluvfrenchquarter]

Thank you. I nominate the OP for best post of the year.

This morning, while driving to work, I was mentally composing a letter to the editor of the local paper about the plethora of Obama signs being stolen. During the course of the work day, the idea faded into the back of my mind. Your post has reignited the passion I felt this morning. Thank you again.

 

[breezy1077]

We are all Plumbers now?

Apparently

 

[Mr Man]

Thank you. I nominate the OP for best post of the year.

This morning, while driving to work, I was mentally composing a letter to the editor of the local paper about the plethora of Obama signs being stolen. During the course of the work day, the idea faded into the back of my mind. Your post has reignited the passion I felt this morning. Thank you again.

Thank you for using plethora in a sentence. You have made my day.

 

[AlexTina]

I don't get how taking someone's single post from a thread and starting a thread to "call out" that particular poster as well as provide a forum for others to attack the post - an attack?

Regardless of the content of the post.....this sets a "big brother" tone to the whole board. In other words...

?Watch what you post or someone may start an entire thread about it? Color me confused.

This is a public forum, people express opinions and whether you agree with them or not is your choice. Whether you read posts or not is your choice. As far as I'm concerned this is just silly unnecessary drama .

 

[rie'smom]

I am not a socialist, but I do believe the rich (especially those that claim to be Christians) should help the poor.

I believe in the separation of church and state, one of the tenets that our country was founded on. Which leads me to my next reason.

I believe that abortion should be legal. Yes, I am a devout Catholic, but since the pro-life movement is based on religious beliefs and our country has the freedom of religion, I am pro-choice.

How do you know that many wealthy and not so wealthy people don't help those in need? I don't think that the government should mandate that we help others, rather it should be a decision from the heart. I'm not going to share what we do and what we give but I will say that we don't claim charity deductions on our taxes for the reasons below:

Matthew 6:1
"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of people in order to be noticed by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Matthew 6:2
" So whenever you give to the poor, don't blow a trumpet before you like the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets so that they will be praised by people. I tell you with certainty, they have their full reward!

Matthew 6:3 "
But when you give to the poor, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

Matthew 6:4
so that your giving may be done in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

I am good with everything you wrote exept for this statement. It is quintessentially wrong. Our country was founded on deeply religious principles, from the very first settlers that moved here from europe. The establishment clause was designed to keep the Federal governement from establishing a state religion as they had in many European countries from which the original settlers had fled. They were smart guys, if they wanted to state there must be a seperation of church and state, they would have worded that way. They also wouldn't have opened their congressional sessions with the prayer, and they wouldn't have sworn an oath with the words so help me god. Etc.

It wasn't until the mid 1900's that the courts started making rulings regarding the "seperation of church and state".

All of this is historical facts btw.

This is 100% true. The Establishment Clause has been misinterpreted for almost 2 generations and the true meaning has been lost.

Can I address this. I am also Catholic, and I am against abortion. However, it is not due to my religious beliefs. It is due to the fact that I believe that baby growing in the womb is a real, valuable, human life, not a hunk of lifeless goo. I would believe this regardless if I was athiest, agnostic, or an alien worshiper.
That is where I think many liberals misread conservative views on abortion. I am not fighting against a woman's right, I am fighting against killing a baby, which to me it is; not in any religious sense, but in a real human sense. I'm not trying to push a religious thought process on anyone, I'm trying to save a life.

This is something that I believe too. I do not judge women or their decision to have an abortion. A baby is a life. I don't depend on the Church for my view. I've been pregnant and I know the joy of feeling a baby move at 16 weeks.

The reference to Christians was for the religious right that seems to have lost Jesus' and God's message.
Taxes have nothing to do with religion, you can be a Jew, a Buddhist, a Muslim and even agnostic and still care about mankind.

The fact that I don't agree 100% with your views does not mean that I have lost Jesus' message. It's not for you to decide this. Your statement about the religious right ( of which I am NOT a member) can be just as hurtful to others as you claim locos statement was to you.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

One more thing...

Most people I know are just like you, OP, no matter their political leanings.

Most people are not "sheep", "aimless" or "soulless", nor do their lives "lack meaning or spirituality". Most Democrats, most Republicans, most Independants, Libertarian, Green Party members, etc, are also moral, ethical, decent, honorable, happy, fulfilled people at peace with their lives as well. Most aren't so arrogant as to assume that people of the other political persuasion are unhappy. Most don't "hate" the opposing candidates, even if they hate their views on the issues.

Really, I thank God that I know no one in my personal life who sees the world in as partisan a way as so many on the DIS seem to.

The anonimity of the internet brings out the worst in people. I am guilty of that myself, when I read something hateful, it's hard not to respond in kind. Your choice to respond the way you did shows class, the kind of class some DISers can only dream of.

I agree.

There are fringe views on both sides of the aisle, but I don't think they represent the majority. The truth is I don't have any radical democratic, republican or independent friends. They are just how you described,
"moral, ethical, decent, honorable, happy, fulfilled people at peace with their lives as well."

We have gotten to the "gotcha" point in society, and that is what concerns me.

Most of my friends are republicans and so is my DH. We all get along wonderfully, and have spirited and respectful conversations about political issues. On any issue, you can have a good solution from both sides, it doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition.

When I read the post quoted by the OP, I was shocked at the language used. I don't know if that poster was just blowing off steam, but it does seem like they wanted to insult an entire group of people. Maybe it's time to step back and stop painting with such broad strokes (on both sides).

 

[Barbossa]

As far as I'm concerned, this entire thread is an attack on loco - I'll leave y'all to it

Looks like the enemy of your friend is your enemy also. Loco's thread absolutely deserves the discussion it's getting. As the Mods remind us on a daily basis, "attack the post, not the poster", which is precisely what we're justifiably doing.

 

[moon]

As far as I'm concerned, this entire thread is an attack on loco - I'll leave y'all to it

loco viciously attacked a big part of this board, painting us all with a big wide brush. Not a candidate, but members here. Do you really think is wrong to respond?

 

[breezy1077]

Looks like the enemy of your friend is your enemy also. Loco's thread absolutely deserves the discussion it's getting. As the Mods remind us on a daily basis, "attack the post, not the poster", which is precisely what we're justifiably doing.

So this is the way it's going to be done now? Look for single posts - start threads about them. Interesting.....

 

[Biscuitsmom31]

OP- I'm sorry your feelings were hurt. Sometimes it's best to take a step away from here (I did this early last spring and it did wonders!) Your post was well thought out and lovely. I too believe in giving to those in less fortunate situations- that is why my dh is a Shriner and we give to the Shriners hospitals- where children with orthopedic problems and burns are treated at no charge to their families (notice I didn't say "free"). Transportation to and from the hospitals is also often provided at no charge.

My point is- we want to be able to give to the causes WE believe in and we believe our money is used most wisely. We work hard and I think we should have that right.

Mermaid02, I have to compliment you on the way you always manage to be respectful, even when your opinion differs. Your consideration should be an example to us all.

 

[freckles and boo]

loco4dis is a rabid partisan. I don't care if breezy or anyone else sees this statement as an attack. I have engaged in a few minor "back and forths" with her, but really it isn't worth it. That type of self-righteousness is best ignored. I don't actually put anyone on ignore, but I sure as heck don't give her posts the weight they would earn if she could communicate in a more civilized manner.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

As far as I'm concerned, this entire thread is an attack on loco - I'll leave y'all to it

Just as she attacked us. Telling someone were offended at being compared to Nazis, that we are not intellectual, we are aimless, souless, envious, that we are lacking spirituality, that our lives are sorrowful, empty and bitter and I could go on and on with that rabid post.

If it were an Obama supporter saying these things I would not support them. I'd be offended as well and try my best to distance myself from such foul ignorance. It's not doing your candidate any justice by letting small minded biggots post such hateful things and then trying to defend their post.

 

[TeresaNJ]

I am posting this as a peaceful response to loco4dis' diatribe on the conservative thread http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=28202440#post28202440
post #1538 and to the unspoken (or spoken, I didn't read much more of the thread) stereotypes conservatives have of democrats.

My life is not a mirage, I am fully vested in reality.

Cool! Hope you feel better now that you've gotten that off your chest.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

So this is the way it's going to be done now? Look for single posts - start threads about them. Interesting.....

Would you rather these posts go on the "Conservative "No Koolaid" thread?

I'm being serious, if this type of post was on the OS thread or the liberal thread and you read it, would you just ignore it, or want to respond? I being a democrat was compared to Nazi supporters of Hitler, that is insulting and demeaning.

 

[breezy1077]

loco viciously attacked a big part of this board, painting us all with a big wide brush. Not a candidate, but members here. Do you really think is wrong to respond?

You and I both know that the Cons. and OS threads are pretty much a "safe haven" to vent a little and discuss issues with like minded individuals for the most part. I know, I know....public forum, but we know that's what goes on in those threads.

Again, fine. Just so I understand that it's ok to go into the OS thread an pull posts and start threads about them. Some are vile to me....but I've respected the space.

Just so I understand the rules. There's an old addage....people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

I'm sure there's plenty of posts I can find that I view as personally repugnant and insulting....but I would never start threads about them.

To each his own, carry on with the loco bashfest....

 

[Barbossa]

So this is the way it's going to be done now? Look for single posts - start threads about them. Interesting.....

It's our prerogative, there's no rule against it. It did take an extraordinarily vile post to start such a thread. Anyone who doesn't like it can delete this thread from their Subscription list.

 

[famofsix]

nevermind

 

[TeresaNJ]

Would you rather these posts go on the "Conservative "No Koolaid" thread?

I'm being serious, if this type of post was on the OS thread or the liberal thread and you read it, would you just ignore it, or want to respond? I being a democrat was compared to Nazi supporters of Hitler, that is insulting and demeaning.

It bites when OS are on the receiving end, doesn't it?

 

[crazyforgoofy]

while I don't agree with the Loco poster from the conservative thread it seems his/her opinion is being raked over the coals a lot like Joe the Plummer.

What? So those who felt attacked by locofordis' post ought not to express their feelings because of something to do with Joe the PlumBer? How does that connect? Please.