Hedda Nussbaum on tv

[hentob]

On the third comment, there are many horrible abusive situations in the world and all have different circumstances. What happened in your neighborhood isn't the same as the Nussbaum case; you are comparing apples to oranges as all abuse situations are not the same.

How are they not the same? Both mothers allowed their children to be abused Why can't we say the mother in my neighborhood wasn't also abused by her boyfriend? That she was helpless. That he MADE her give that child to him to rape? Why is Hedda any different?

Do you know that Hedda didn't call 911 for quite some time after Lisa received her deadly blow? Do you know that Joel left the apartment, therefore Hedda could have saved Lisa. She didn't call until it was too late

 

[hentob]

It must be nice to be in a loving, healthy relationship and make judgments on people in situations so bad that it is hard to fathom living through them.

I don't think you have to be in a perfect relationship to know that your husband shouldn't be touching your daughter's private parts. I don't think you have to be in a perfect relationship to know your husband should beat your daughter to death

I think we all judge those that rape children. I think we all judge those who torture children. I will judge Hedda and say she was an awful mother to allow that little girl to be beaten to death. She had many opportunities to save that child. She chose not to.

 

[hentob]

BTW, Hedda managed to get it together enough to appear on talk shows and sell her story to People Magazine for $30,000 This was all BEFORE the trial

That poor girl died and her mommy made $30,000 off of her death. Not to mention her book

 

[stargrazer]

How are they not the same? Both mothers allowed their children to be abused Why can't we say the mother in my neighborhood wasn't also abused by her boyfriend?

Do you know that Hedda didn't call 911 for quite some time after Lisa received her deadly blow? Do you know that Joel left the apartment, therefore Hedda could have saved Lisa. She didn't call until it was too late

You sound like someone, thankfully, that has never been abused. The reason they are not the same is because I know nothing about the case of the girl in your neighboorhood, but I remember this story in particular from my because early teens because it made a remarkable impact on me. I was interested in law at that time and reading a lot of true story crime novels and of all the stories I read, this is the one I didn't forget.

I can't honestly say that I recall specifics about the case - but I remember being disgusted that Hedda was not a mother, not even a woman; no longer even a human being, she had been reduced beyond that to simply existing as an animal. It sickened me to think that Joel mentally, physically, emotionally and sexually abused and drugged her to the point that she didn't even want to save either herself or her child.

It is sad, you won't get any disagreement from me there. It was wrong all the way around, but after the childhood I had, I've decided not to assume that I know exactly what happens in private and in strangers lives. I fully believe there are situations that lie beyond my comprehension and I turn those over to God to sort out, like this one.

 

[hentob]

The Death of Lisa Steinberg

Many people remember November 1, 1987. It is the day that Lisa Steinberg was killed, a victim of child abuse. She was killed by Joel Steinberg, a disbarred lawyer and cocaine addict.

Joel had adopted Lisa illegally when she was born. On that November day in 1987, he had battered her and left her unconscious on the bathroom floor to die in her own vomit. A doctor could have saved Lisa, but her adoptive mother and Joel’s live-in lover, Hedda Nussbaum, did not try to get medical help.

Hedda testified against Joel at his trial. Her testimony showed that she and Joel were unfit parents. Both were addicted to crack cocaine. The addiction led to many incidents in which Joel also battered Hedda.

Hedda said that Joel began to beat her two years after they started living together. As a result, she suffered many serious injuries. Hedda told the court that on November 1, 1987, Joel had slept until early afternoon. Lisa and Mitchell, another child also adopted illegally by the couple, complained that they were hungry. Hedda cooked some vegetables for them. After lunch, Joel asked whether Hedda and Lisa had “drunk enough water that day.” They had not drunk any water, so Joel forced them to eat hot peppers as punishment for forgetting to drink water.

Later that evening, Joel got dressed to go to a restaurant for dinner. It was his habit to leave Hedda at home because her face was badly disfigured from the many beatings he gave her, and he felt uncomfortable with others seeing her in public. Lisa asked Hedda if she could go to dinner with her daddy. Hedda told Lisa to go and ask Joel herself. Lisa went to the bathroom to talk to Joel. A few minutes later, he came out of the bathroom with Lisa unconscious in his arms. Hedda asked, “What happened?” He replied, “What is the difference what happened? This is your child. Hasn’t this gone far enough?” He told Hedda he became angry because Lisa had been staring at him. “This staring business had gotten to be too much,” he told Hedda.


He then went out to dinner, leaving Lisa on the bathroom floor. He told Hedda to stay with Lisa and let her ‘sleep’. He promised to take care of Lisa when he returned home. For three hours, Lisa lay on the bathroom floor with her adoptive mother sitting next to her. Hedda did not try to get medical help for Lisa. When Joel came home three hours later, he and Hedda free-based cocaine. Only after that did he call for an ambulance to take Lisa to the hospital. It was too late; Lisa died three days later.






From https://ritdml.rit.edu/dspace/bitstream/1850/927/21/Chapter-01.pdf

 

[hentob]

I fully believe there are situations that lie beyond my comprehension and I turn those over to God to sort out, like this one.

Welp--You played the God Card--How can I compete with that

What I was trying to say is that EVERYONE has a story. Everyone has an excuse as to why they kill. Why they abuse. Why they rape. Hedda is no different than Joel. What made him the way he was/is? What made him a killer? A molester? An abuser?

Was he abused? Was he mentally ill? What led him to this behavior? Should we say "Poor Joel"?






More in-depth:


http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/lisa_steinberg/1.html

 

[salal]

I'll never forget the picture of Lisa at a school Halloween party & she was looking with the most vacant look at her party cupcake. It was heartbreaking. Heeda was so beat up it's a wonder noone intervened.

sick and sad and depressing