Heath Ledger has passed away :MEMORIAL PICS POSTED

[KikiFan]

When people commit suicide, they have their reasons. I tend to leave them alone after that.

But I do like it when the celebs die from drug overdoses. It gives DH and I the opportunity to talk to the kids about drugs without actually doing it. You lecture, it generally goes in one ear and out the other.

Something like this, though, would be an excellent opportunity. I'll say, "Did you hear another of those Hollywood morons did himself in?" He'll say, "No!" Then I'll say, "Heath Ledger. You know who he was, Mindy?" and DD will say that she does and she likes him, he was in this or that. And I'll add, "Well, now he's nowhere. He's dead. Idiot." And I'll turn back to DH and say, "Will those people NEVER LEARN?! You take drugs, you might die!" And he'll add that they won't learn because they're stupid. We'll laught at him and then move on to some other topic.

It sounds mean, but it is how we drive it home to our kids. Taking drugs is stupid and can kill you. If you do it, you are stupid and risking your life.

I don't personally care about this guy or mean him any harm. But I take my opportunities where I can grab them. So, I'm kind of hoping - if he has to be dead, anyway - that it was drugs.

You might think you're teaching your kids to avoid drugs, but the real lesson you're teaching is to be judgemental, hard hearted and lack compassion. Either your kids will grow up to be the same or if the time comes when they've made a mistake, they'll realize that you and your husband are the last people they'll want to turn to. Either way I hope you reconsider your tactics. By all means use current events to teach lessons. Just don't forget that compassion is just as important as staying away from drugs.

 

[Tiggeroo]

When you exaggerate and/or over inflate effects of drugs and present info that your children could in some way in their adolescent minds doubt you set yourself up to be doubted by your kids. IF they doubt you on some small things they will discount all of your drug info. Not good.
I have fibromyalgia. I take an anti-depressant two hours before bed and then ambien at bedtime. These are both in small doses. This was after trying several other solutions which I am sure I still have the left over pills for. This report does concern me however if they find he didn't take too much of anything. I read all labels and always worry about what I'm taking.

 

[JessicaR]

When people commit suicide, they have their reasons. I tend to leave them alone after that.

But I do like it when the celebs die from drug overdoses. It gives DH and I the opportunity to talk to the kids about drugs without actually doing it. You lecture, it generally goes in one ear and out the other.

Something like this, though, would be an excellent opportunity. I'll say, "Did you hear another of those Hollywood morons did himself in?" He'll say, "No!" Then I'll say, "Heath Ledger. You know who he was, Mindy?" and DD will say that she does and she likes him, he was in this or that. And I'll add, "Well, now he's nowhere. He's dead. Idiot." And I'll turn back to DH and say, "Will those people NEVER LEARN?! You take drugs, you might die!" And he'll add that they won't learn because they're stupid. We'll laught at him and then move on to some other topic.

It sounds mean, but it is how we drive it home to our kids. Taking drugs is stupid and can kill you. If you do it, you are stupid and risking your life.

I don't personally care about this guy or mean him any harm. But I take my opportunities where I can grab them. So, I'm kind of hoping - if he has to be dead, anyway - that it was drugs.

All I can do is try and explain what rubbed me wrong. It was your presentation of the message and not so much its intended content. You seem to lack compassion and kindness. You come off very hard in my opinion. Before when I said tolerance you replied about tolerance of drugs. That isnt what I meant. Tolerance for people in general. Even those that may have taken too much medication, or not.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Again, I ask why it is worse to hope it was one cause of death over another.

I honestly consider other viewpoints. If someone can explain to me why it is better to hope the guy had a pulmonary embolism instead of ODing, then maybe I'll understand why everyone is so up in arms over me wanting to use it to drive home the "drugs are bad" thing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but don't see why hoping for one COD over another makes one person an angel and another the devil incarnate.

I get that everyone thinks I'm evil and disgusting. I'd just like the explanation of why.

FWIW C-B, I don't feel that way about you or your previous comment. One COD versus another doesn't matter. Bottom line is the dude is dead.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Go to the tiger thread and post - that you are glad the teenagers were mauled and one killed by the tiger, and you wish you had pushed the others in the cage......you will totally redeem yourself.....



Seriously, I get your point and I don't think you are evil or disgusting. I don't even care about the whole fiasco, so I'm probably sure to burn in hell beside you.

LOL. Tiger thread is closed! Stopped following that - I missed a good one! DH doesn't think I'm evil. But he's a heathen and sure to burn in hell, so I can't always rely on his opinion.

If someone could make me see the light over why it is wrong to root for one COD over another, maybe I'll be mightily ashamed of myself and do a mea culpa.

I just don't see as how it makes much difference.

Cool Beans, in my case it's because I'd much rather his daughter have the knowledge that her father died of something like an embolism than a drug overdose....it's going to be hard enough on her as she grows up. His family is the most important thing right now.

As I said, for his family's sake, I hope it wasn't drugs.

 

[kejoda]

Again, I ask why it is worse to hope it was one cause of death over another.

I honestly consider other viewpoints. If someone can explain to me why it is better to hope the guy had a pulmonary embolism instead of ODing, then maybe I'll understand why everyone is so up in arms over me wanting to use it to drive home the "drugs are bad" thing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but don't see why hoping for one COD over another makes one person an angel and another the devil incarnate.

I get that everyone thinks I'm evil and disgusting. I'd just like the explanation of why.

I'll give it a try. Say someone ODs. Now that person's family could feel guilty. From either not knowing that person was in trouble or not being able to get them off the drugs. If it was something medical it would unlikely that people would feel guilty.

For whats its worth there are plenty of people that OD from drugs, its unnecessary to hope that someone dies from a drug overdose. Not to mention the lack of compassion. You statement about this has cemented my opinion of you, its a good thing the dis has an ignore list.

 

[Biscuitsmom31]

 

[Tiggeroo]

you could take your vulture butt down to the morgue and hang out waiting for an od and point at them and show your kids. You could then wait for the remorseful family to come in and let them see the tears.

 

[JennyMominRI]

When someone dies, all that is left of them is their name and their memories.. There is a stigma attached to drug addicts who die...You showed it quite clearly with the names you used in your post. Druggie, Idiot etc.. I'm sure his friends and family would like their loved one to be remembered as a good man who died for the wrong reason rather than an idiot druggie who basically got what they deserved...Why do you think back in the early days of AIDS people denied the COD? They did it so there memory would not be tainyed..So the people that cared for them would not have to live with the stigma .So that they would not be remembered for eternity, by many, as that man who died of AIDS..

 

[Cool-Beans]

you could take your vulture butt down to the morgue and hang out waiting for an od and point at them and show your kids. You could then wait for the remorseful family to come in and let them see the tears.

My vulture butt? Seriously?

I give up. Nobody has explained why one hoping for one COD over another is better. All I'm hearing is "because it is" and "because you're horrid."

Other than the family, which I already addressed, I just don't get it.

I want the kids to be judgemental about drugs. I want them to think that people who do drugs are stupid - because they are. It is just about the stupidest thing a person can do.

I want them to think "dangerous and stupid" when they think about drugs. And I like it when the celebs OD because it lets me drive the point home.

So sue me.

I'm bailing out, so anyone who would like to honestly explain why (other than the family) they think it is bad to root for one COD over another can send them to "vuture butt" c/o pm.

 

[aplejax76]

I just don't see as how it makes much difference.

It makes all the difference in the world! He will always be known for overdosing.

 

[Linzybrooke]

What if it was a family member or one of your kids friends that you were talking about? Would you approach it in the same manner? Would the conversation involve, "You know your aunt Sue? Well, she died today. From drugs. Idiot."

 

[Jennasis]

If I died tonight, the police would find "nearly full bottles" of a WHOLE assortment of anti-depressants, pain medication (narcotic and otherwise), sleeping pills, and anti-anxiety drugs. They have been prescribed to myself or my husband over the last 5+ years and have either worked or not. The "not" ones would denote most of the nearly full bottles. TMZ's report means jack squat.

As for the nonsense of Cool-Beans....not that she cares, but I think I may have found a candidate for my very first use of the ignore feature. I've heard enough. I feel very sad for her children. My mom didn't need to secretly pray for the death of any celebrity to be drug-induced in order to teach me to lead a drug-free life. She had more class than that.

 

[aplejax76]

If I died tonight, the police would find "nearly full bottles" of a WHOLE assortment of anti-depressants, pain medication (narcotic and otherwise), sleeping pills, and anti-anxiety drugs. They have been prescribed to myself or my husband over the last 5+ years and have either worked or not. The "not" ones would denote most of the nearly full bottles. TMZ's report means jack squat.

As for the nonsense of Cool-Beans....not that she cares, but I think I may have found a candidate for my very first use of the ignore feature. I've heard enough. I feel very sad for her children. My mom didn't need to secretly pray for the death of any celebrity to be drug-induced in order to teach me to lead a drug-free life. She had more class than that.

Thank you. You explained it much better than I could.

 

[beckanoah]

My vulture butt? Seriously?

I give up. Nobody has explained why one hoping for one COD over another is better. All I'm hearing is "because it is" and "because you're horrid."

Other than the family, which I already addressed, I just don't get it.

I want the kids to be judgemental about drugs. I want them to think that people who do drugs are stupid - because they are. It is just about the stupidest thing a person can do.

I want them to think "dangerous and stupid" when they think about drugs. And I like it when the celebs OD because it lets me drive the point home.

So sue me.

I'm bailing out, so anyone who would like to honestly explain why (other than the family) they think it is bad to root for one COD over another can send them to "vuture butt" c/o pm.

The thing is, no one should be hoping ANYONE should die of anything. Yes, people die, but this was a PERSON, a FATHER, a HUMAN BEING, not some pawn in a sick game.

Seriously, do you not see how messed up your statements are? Heartless much?

 

[Planogirl]

My problem is the idea of HOPING Heath Ledger died of drugs so that you can use him as a object lesson and then laugh at him. That seems so cold-hearted no matter who it is.

Anyway, that hope may not come about. It's probably already been posted but a police spokesperson said that the only pills found were perscription drugs and they were safely in their perscription bottles. You may have to find someone else to laugh at.

 

[chisnpeke]

The thing is, no one should be hoping ANYONE should die of anything. Yes, people die, but this was a PERSON, a FATHER, a HUMAN BEING, not some pawn in a sick game.

Seriously, do you not see how messed up your statements are? Heartless much?

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[Planogirl]

Oh, they also said that the rolled up $20 showed no sign of drugs either. '

What a horrible thread this is now.

 

[hellokitty86]

If I died tonight, the police would find "nearly full bottles" of a WHOLE assortment of anti-depressants, pain medication (narcotic and otherwise), sleeping pills, and anti-anxiety drugs. They have been prescribed to myself or my husband over the last 5+ years and have either worked or not. The "not" ones would denote most of the nearly full bottles. TMZ's report means jack squat.

As for the nonsense of Cool-Beans....not that she cares, but I think I may have found a candidate for my very first use of the ignore feature. I've heard enough. I feel very sad for her children. My mom didn't need to secretly pray for the death of any celebrity to be drug-induced in order to teach me to lead a drug-free life. She had more class than that.

Thanks for saying it alot nicer than I was going to...you saved me some points.

 

[Beth76]

I probably shouldn't do this, but in a way I partly agree with what cool beans is saying. If a seemingly healthy young man dies from a drug overdose, then there's an avoidable reason for dying. That can't happen to me because I don't do drugs. If a seemingly healthy, young man dies from who-knows-what, that's kind of scary. That's something that can happen to me. Either way it's, of course, tragic for his family.

Similar to the way I feel about Madelyn McCann's parents. If they did it, then there's not some psycho out there who will go after other people's kids.