Heads Up on gate checking large strollers.

What's sad though...is parents bring their big stroller because they need it...and feel rushed to get it emptied out and collapsed and on the jetway to be stowed under the plane that they don't get it locked properly, hence a gate-checked stroller opening during flight (or upon being unloaded). Perhaps if airlines allowed a bit more time for families to board and get things settled, AA wouldn't have had to put this policy into effect.

I can't see any airline adding more time between flights just so parents can organize all of their stuff. Or taking time away from the slap dab cleaning of the airplane so parents can use more time to get settled. Maybe if people didn't feel the need to bring monster sized strollers packed with half their homes to the plane, it wouldn't take them so long to fold them down.

I have to say too that I always see the stroller set out in the jetway after they are gate checked, so yeah, they are in the way.
 
I totally get it. The jet bridge really does not have room for these strollers and the space under the plane where they put gate checked items certainly does not have the room. As more people travel, more people gate check items and more kids go on planes, this is becoming an issue. Especially with the advent of the big jogging strollers over the last several years. There are too many of them and they are too big to fit in the little space for gate checked stuff.

Just an FYI. United has the same rule. No doubt other airlines will be following suit soon.
 
Since I do not have a laptop, I do not have a laptop bag on flights, LOL!

Everytime I have travelled, the strollers are right outside the little bend in the ramp where it meets up with the plane. Assuming the things you have assumed is ignorant, IMO. I have been on a plane when there was a minor medical issue during a debarkment, and it was near impossible for anyone to move to get out of the way for the assistance to reach the person in the middle of the plane. People were in the middle of getting their overstuffed carryons down from the overhead bins, someone even dropped one and it popped open. Luckily they had the straps done up inside and only a few things fell out.

I'd love it if they put all the strollers out in the actual airport, not on the ramp. Sadly, the airlines I have flown, or at least the airports I have used, do not have this policy. We all stand there, or try to squeeze by and not trip over the diaper bags and backpacks as parents put the kids in the stollers right in front of the only way off the plane. It's just a big 'duh' in my book.
And you Just know that overstuffed bag was from a family. Yeah let's just blame families that makes sense. It couldn't possibly be a college student flying home or someone visiting family. And all the people clogging up the aisle were families not businessmen trying to get out or other people trying to beat the rush.
 
I understand what you are saying about cheap umbrella strollers. However, if researched well enough, there are smaller full-size strollers that are under 20 pounds and fold just like a cheap umbrella stroller. Sure, you may have to buy an extra sun shade for it. But, it'd do the same job as any truly full-size stroller that's over 20 pounds. .

But short of having a scale at the gate or a list of stroller weights on hand, odds are AA isn't going to know an 18lb full size stroller from a 25lb one, and there are already reports here and on other travel forums that it is being enforced as "umbrella strollers only" regardless of actual weight. I can understand cracking down on some of the "SUV" and jogging strollers that are huge even folded but the weight limit they chose was clearly designed to send a "no strollers" signal in my opinion.

My Peg Perego weighs 18lbs and does fold down like an umbrella stroller, but a long-time poster on a parenting forum I frequent has already reported back that AA made her check hers (and in both directions, so I doubt it was a fluke). The airline staff can't accurately eyeball the weight of every stroller out there and they didn't allow her to put the stroller on the scale to prove she should be allowed to gate check it. They looked at it open with her 1yo in it, deemed it a full sized stroller, and told her it had to be checked.

I don't fly AA anyway but I really hope this doesn't catch on with other airlines. I deliberately chose a light, compact stroller for ease of travel and I won't fly an airline that doesn't let me use it through the airport.
 

And you Just know that overstuffed bag was from a family. Yeah let's just blame families that makes sense. It couldn't possibly be a college student flying home or someone visiting family. And all the people clogging up the aisle were families not businessmen trying to get out or other people trying to beat the rush.

People mostly dislike being around kids on flights so it makes sense that families would be the scapegoat for travel woes. Never mind that everyone I know who has traveled regularly for business lives by the motto that checking luggage is for "amateurs", while families (my own included) frequently check bags for the convenience of having less to tote around even though it means spending more time in the airport on both ends.
 
Wonder how people survived before there were monster strollers? I guess no one flew back then.

Carrying their children in their arms? Small, cheap, 5lb, $10 Wal-Mart strollers? I just dont know how they did it. :rolleyes: God forbid a 3 or 4 year old have to walk. :rolleyes1

Personally, I can completely understand this policy (outside of children with disabilities). Not trying to be rude or harsh, but surely those of you with these strollers can see how much space they take up. These strollers are not a 'must have'. They are a choice. People managed for years without them. Sure they may be a convenience, but you pay for convenience. Just how it is.
 
Wonder how people survived before there were monster strollers? I guess no one flew back then.

Carrying their children in their arms? Small, cheap, 5lb, $10 Wal-Mart strollers? I just dont know how they did it. :rolleyes: God forbid a 3 or 4 year old have to walk. :rolleyes1

Personally, I can completely understand this policy (outside of children with disabilities). Not trying to be rude or harsh, but surely those of you with these strollers can see how much space they take up. These strollers are not a 'must have'. They are a choice. People managed for years without them. Sure they may be a convenience, but you pay for convenience. Just how it is.

Obviously you don't have children either, so I don't know what makes you an expert on traveling with them

For the record "back in the day" airlines used to have this thing called customer service, when they would actually HELP you get to the gate with your child and luggage. Good luck getting any decent help today. The most help I've gotten in airports when traveling alone with a child has been from other passengers, good Samaritans would would lend a hand.

I'd be more than happy to check my stroller if they would escort me to the gates.

Also 25/30 years ago people did not have to lug car seats with them wherever they went, because they were not in use, especially for older kids.

Also you are completely mis-informed about the size of strollers in the past. My mother had a humongous green English-style pram that was roughly the size of a Smart Car and weighed probably close to 100 lbs. They were fairly common back in the 60's and 70's and pretty much the only choice for parents in the 50's.

My mother took me and that monstrosity on an airplane (Pan Am airlines!) to Disney back in 1978. They did not treat her like a 2nd class citizen, and didn't have a problem accommodating the stroller.

This is discrimination against families pure and simple. If they thought they could get away with going after business travelers and their wheelie carry-ons they would, but children are a soft target, so they'll go after them first.
 
Wonder how people survived before there were monster strollers? I guess no one flew back then.

Carrying their children in their arms? Small, cheap, 5lb, $10 Wal-Mart strollers? I just dont know how they did it. :rolleyes: God forbid a 3 or 4 year old have to walk. :rolleyes1

There's actually something to that - when I was a kid, flying was a very, very rare luxury, not something middle and working class families did on a regular basis. I only flew once as a stroller aged child and didn't set foot on a plane again until I was 16. Families fly a lot more now than back then, and that was only the 80s. Go back further and it was even less common.

Even those disposable Walmart strollers weigh 10lbs, and kids aren't born 3 or 4. Some of us travel even when we have infants or toddlers. :eek: :laughing: I can understand why some restrictions are necessary - we looked at a few single strollers that weighed 40lbs and folded up would have taken most of the cargo space behind the back row in my minivan - but a little common sense and consistency would be nice.
 
Obviously you don't have children either, so I don't know what makes you an expert on traveling with them

For the record "back in the day" airlines used to have this thing called customer service, when they would actually HELP you get to the gate with your child and luggage. Good luck getting any decent help today. The most help I've gotten in airports when traveling alone with a child has been from other passengers, good Samaritans would would lend a hand.

I'd be more than happy to check my stroller if they would escort me to the gates.

Also 25/30 years ago people did not have to lug car seats with them wherever they went, because they were not in use, especially for older kids.

Also you are completely mis-informed about the size of strollers in the past. My mother had a humongous green English-style pram that was roughly the size of a Smart Car and weighed probably close to 100 lbs. They were fairly common back in the 60's and 70's and pretty much the only choice for parents in the 50's.

My mother took me and that monstrosity on an airplane (Pan Am airlines!) to Disney back in 1978. They did not treat her like a 2nd class citizen, and didn't have a problem accommodating the stroller.

This is discrimination against families pure and simple. If they thought they could get away with going after business travelers and their wheelie carry-ons they would, but children are a soft target, so they'll go after them first.

:thumbsup2

THANK YOU!
 
I have kids and I have no issue with this policy. Some of the monster strollers are just not necessary. I can see how trying to gate check 30-40lb strollers for the airlines is a total PIA. Why anyone would even want a stroller that size is beyond me. How do you even get it in your car with all your other bags anyway??
 
Obviously you don't have children either, so I don't know what makes you an expert on traveling with them

For the record "back in the day" airlines used to have this thing called customer service, when they would actually HELP you get to the gate with your child and luggage. Good luck getting any decent help today. The most help I've gotten in airports when traveling alone with a child has been from other passengers, good Samaritans would would lend a hand.

I'd be more than happy to check my stroller if they would escort me to the gates.

Also 25/30 years ago people did not have to lug car seats with them wherever they went, because they were not in use, especially for older kids.

Also you are completely mis-informed about the size of strollers in the past. My mother had a humongous green English-style pram that was roughly the size of a Smart Car and weighed probably close to 100 lbs. They were fairly common back in the 60's and 70's and pretty much the only choice for parents in the 50's.

My mother took me and that monstrosity on an airplane (Pan Am airlines!) to Disney back in 1978. They did not treat her like a 2nd class citizen, and didn't have a problem accommodating the stroller.

This is discrimination against families pure and simple. If they thought they could get away with going after business travelers and their wheelie carry-ons they would, but children are a soft target, so they'll go after them first.

(my response is not aimed directly at the quoted poster, but is a general reply that covers some points she brings up)

I do have kids, 2 in fact. I have never needed a monstrous stroller for any reason. Of course I had strollers, but they were small. I didn't like lugging them into the car, no way I'd want to bring one on a plane. Of course kids aren't born 3 or 4. My point is that kids of that age should walk at the airport. Younger kids need strollers, but they dont NEED something the size of a wheelbarrow just so mom or dad can pack everything but the kitchen sink in all its compartments.

Yes, there were large strollers back in the day but they weren't as common. Since its the "in thing" to have now, and parents seemed to have forgotten that 3 year olds can walk, airlines have had to make adjustments. Planes are only so big and they can't accommodate all these large strollers with all the passengers who fly.

Strollers are not outlawed. They are restricted. Make a choice to bring a smaller one or rent one at the destination you are going to. Its not discrimination and I can't stand it when people play that card. If they wanted to make more money, they could have easily done so in other ways. If you want to scream discrimination, then lets work a deal. You bring your stroller, I'll bring my smokes. Johnny B. can bring his pet carriers, and Sarah F. can bring her hairspray. All are legal to have and use so are those people discriminated against as well? Stop trying to beat the system and understand this was likely done from a safety/time point of view, which both cost the airlines money. Its simply the result of more flyers.

If you have so many small kids that you require assistance boarding a plane (having kids doesnt make you handicapped and therefore requiring assistance), then maybe you should look into birth control or wait longer in between having kids. Sure, it may be difficult at times, but hey...its the choice you made. If I seem a little rude its because of the stupid discrimination comment. Its not discrimination if you have choices and as others have posted, there are MANY choices on strollers that wont cause you any issues at the airport.

Again, you pay for convenience and these strollers are a convenience.
 
(my response is not aimed directly at the quoted poster, but is a general reply that covers some points she brings up)

I do have kids, 2 in fact. I have never needed a monstrous stroller for any reason. Of course I had strollers, but they were small. I didn't like lugging them into the car, no way I'd want to bring one on a plane. Of course kids aren't born 3 or 4. My point is that kids of that age should walk at the airport. Younger kids need strollers, but they dont NEED something the size of a wheelbarrow just so mom or dad can pack everything but the kitchen sink in all its compartments.

Yes, there were large strollers back in the day but they weren't as common. Since its the "in thing" to have now, and parents seemed to have forgotten that 3 year olds can walk, airlines have had to make adjustments. Planes are only so big and they can't accommodate all these large strollers with all the passengers who fly.

Strollers are not outlawed. They are restricted. Make a choice to bring a smaller one or rent one at the destination you are going to. Its not discrimination and I can't stand it when people play that card. If they wanted to make more money, they could have easily done so in other ways. If you want to scream discrimination, then lets work a deal. You bring your stroller, I'll bring my smokes. Johnny B. can bring his pet carriers, and Sarah F. can bring her hairspray. All are legal to have and use so are those people discriminated against as well? Stop trying to beat the system and understand this was likely done from a safety/time point of view, which both cost the airlines money. Its simply the result of more flyers.

If you have so many small kids that you require assistance boarding a plane (having kids doesnt make you handicapped and therefore requiring assistance), then maybe you should look into birth control or wait longer in between having kids. Sure, it may be difficult at times, but hey...its the choice you made. If I seem a little rude its because of the stupid discrimination comment. Its not discrimination if you have choices and as others have posted, there are MANY choices on strollers that wont cause you any issues at the airport.

Again, you pay for convenience and these strollers are a convenience.

I know the tone is a little harsh, but I have to agree with you. This is so not discrimination, and it is pretty revolting that someone wants to say that it is. They are not saying you can't gate check a stroller. They are saying you can't gate check your huge stroller. Maybe it will be a bit of a pain to use an umbrella stroller when you are used to using your large stroller, but it can be done. And it is most certainlly NOT DISCRIMINATION!

This reminds me of the people that scream discrimination becasue they can't put their family of 6 into a Value resort room. :sad2:
 
(my response is not aimed directly at the quoted poster, but is a general reply that covers some points she brings up)

I do have kids, 2 in fact. I have never needed a monstrous stroller for any reason. Of course I had strollers, but they were small. I didn't like lugging them into the car, no way I'd want to bring one on a plane. Of course kids aren't born 3 or 4. My point is that kids of that age should walk at the airport. Younger kids need strollers, but they dont NEED something the size of a wheelbarrow just so mom or dad can pack everything but the kitchen sink in all its compartments.

Yes, there were large strollers back in the day but they weren't as common. Since its the "in thing" to have now, and parents seemed to have forgotten that 3 year olds can walk, airlines have had to make adjustments. Planes are only so big and they can't accommodate all these large strollers with all the passengers who fly.

Strollers are not outlawed. They are restricted. Make a choice to bring a smaller one or rent one at the destination you are going to. Its not discrimination and I can't stand it when people play that card. If they wanted to make more money, they could have easily done so in other ways. If you want to scream discrimination, then lets work a deal. You bring your stroller, I'll bring my smokes. Johnny B. can bring his pet carriers, and Sarah F. can bring her hairspray. All are legal to have and use so are those people discriminated against as well? Stop trying to beat the system and understand this was likely done from a safety/time point of view, which both cost the airlines money. Its simply the result of more flyers.

If you have so many small kids that you require assistance boarding a plane (having kids doesnt make you handicapped and therefore requiring assistance), then maybe you should look into birth control or wait longer in between having kids. Sure, it may be difficult at times, but hey...its the choice you made. If I seem a little rude its because of the stupid discrimination comment. Its not discrimination if you have choices and as others have posted, there are MANY choices on strollers that wont cause you any issues at the airport.

Again, you pay for convenience and these strollers are a convenience.

I don't think it is harsh. She couldn't be more right :thumbsup2
 
(my response is not aimed directly at the quoted poster, but is a general reply that covers some points she brings up)

I do have kids, 2 in fact. I have never needed a monstrous stroller for any reason. Of course I had strollers, but they were small. I didn't like lugging them into the car, no way I'd want to bring one on a plane. Of course kids aren't born 3 or 4. My point is that kids of that age should walk at the airport. Younger kids need strollers, but they dont NEED something the size of a wheelbarrow just so mom or dad can pack everything but the kitchen sink in all its compartments.

Yes, there were large strollers back in the day but they weren't as common. Since its the "in thing" to have now, and parents seemed to have forgotten that 3 year olds can walk, airlines have had to make adjustments. Planes are only so big and they can't accommodate all these large strollers with all the passengers who fly.

Strollers are not outlawed. They are restricted. Make a choice to bring a smaller one or rent one at the destination you are going to. Its not discrimination and I can't stand it when people play that card. If they wanted to make more money, they could have easily done so in other ways. If you want to scream discrimination, then lets work a deal. You bring your stroller, I'll bring my smokes. Johnny B. can bring his pet carriers, and Sarah F. can bring her hairspray. All are legal to have and use so are those people discriminated against as well? Stop trying to beat the system and understand this was likely done from a safety/time point of view, which both cost the airlines money. Its simply the result of more flyers.

If you have so many small kids that you require assistance boarding a plane (having kids doesnt make you handicapped and therefore requiring assistance), then maybe you should look into birth control or wait longer in between having kids. Sure, it may be difficult at times, but hey...its the choice you made. If I seem a little rude its because of the stupid discrimination comment. Its not discrimination if you have choices and as others have posted, there are MANY choices on strollers that wont cause you any issues at the airport.

Again, you pay for convenience and these strollers are a convenience.

Well, of ocurse, it is not discrimination from a legal standpoint. But, I think you are missing a bit of perspective in your post. Just because it is easy for YOU to do something, you need to realize that other people are differently situated.

Like, how does an infant use an umbrella stroller? And what about twins? Or kids that are close together in age (perfectly spacing out your kids is not an option for a lot of folks for various reasons)?

Not to mention, we have a "largish" double stroller that lies completely flat when folded. Whenever we have taken it on a plane we not only fold it down, but put it in a special carrying case to protect it. Really, it's not causing a burden to anybody and the plane has plenty of room in storage for it.

Finally, I think you are being too generous by claiming this is not about money. It is ABSOLUTELY about money. Maybe, you could make that claim if airlines were not now also charging $25 per checked item, but this change will result in millions of increased fees to the airline.
 
Well, of ocurse, it is not discrimination from a legal standpoint. But, I think you are missing a bit of perspective in your post. Just because it is easy for YOU to do something, you need to realize that other people are differently situated.

Like, how does an infant use an umbrella stroller? And what about twins? Or kids that are close together in age (perfectly spacing out your kids is not an option for a lot of folks for various reasons)?

Not to mention, we have a "largish" double stroller that lies completely flat when folded. Whenever we have taken it on a plane we not only fold it down, but put it in a special carrying case to protect it. Really, it's not causing a burden to anybody and the plane has plenty of room in storage for it.

Finally, I think you are being too generous by claiming this is not about money. It is ABSOLUTELY about money. Maybe, you could make that claim if airlines were not now also charging $25 per checked item, but this change will result in millions of increased fees to the airline.

Of course it is about money as it should be. Gas prices are going crazy and if they are charging for 1st and 2nd bags because of weight, I don't think it is reasonable to allow parents 20-50lb strollers for free. People can complain all they want (and did with bag fees) but it won't make a difference. There are many non-umbrella strollers that recline and are under 20lbs. Maclaren Quest, Peg Si, Peg Aria, BJ City Mini etc....

And yes, it does have to do with time too. No matter how quickly you claim you can fold a stroller, I have seen 10+ families with strollers on one flight and those huge ones ARE a pain to move back and forth from the plane to entrance for you, and vice versa.
 
I don't think it is unfair at all to have parents limit the size of their strollers. Everything else is subject to a size limit. Or paying a huge fee.

As far as it being easy to navigate the airport with an umbrella stroller, well, I guess for some it will be more difficult than getting thru with a larger stroller. But it will not be impossible. People that use strollers will need to adjust how they travel a bit, but most of us have had to adjust how we travel over the last year or so. Maybe it will take a while to get it down pat, but I don't doubt that most will find a way to do without their huge strollers. Maybe it comes down to not even using a stroller at all. For those with an infant, there are always body slings, or backpacks. :idea:

I'm sue there will be an adjustment period. But I have faith that people can adjust.
 
I don't have a problem with it at all. I was just on a trip from Boston to Atlanta with my one year-old and took my Mac Volo with me since it is easy to steer with one hand as well as compact and light. I really had to shake my head at some of the parents I saw in the airport with giant jogging strollers; especially those who had an infant in an infant seat in the stroller. Really?

I take my Peg Perego to Disney because it reclines and has a bigger storage area than the Volo, but that's under the weight limit, too.

As for having strollers at the end of the ramp, I actually make sure that I have everything out of the bin, have the carrying strap off, and then step way over to the side to take my child out and close the stroller. It closes very compactly and is really not in the way at all when leaned vertically up against the wall. I can see how bigger strollers or those that are sitting flat on the floor would be an issue. I step to the side upon debarking as well so that those behind me can get past. I don't feel that I'm in the way at all.
 
Well, of ocurse, it is not discrimination from a legal standpoint. But, I think you are missing a bit of perspective in your post. Just because it is easy for YOU to do something, you need to realize that other people are differently situated.

Like, how does an infant use an umbrella stroller? And what about twins? Or kids that are close together in age (perfectly spacing out your kids is not an option for a lot of folks for various reasons)?

Not to mention, we have a "largish" double stroller that lies completely flat when folded. Whenever we have taken it on a plane we not only fold it down, but put it in a special carrying case to protect it. Really, it's not causing a burden to anybody and the plane has plenty of room in storage for it.

Finally, I think you are being too generous by claiming this is not about money. It is ABSOLUTELY about money. Maybe, you could make that claim if airlines were not now also charging $25 per checked item, but this change will result in millions of increased fees to the airline.

How is it about money when the airline is exempting checked strollers from baggage fees?

There seems to be an assumption in this thread that AA is doing this for money.
I was curious what American said about the size of strollers and see that they recommend not traveling with large strollers because of the possibility of damage.

"Large Stroller or Non-Collapsible Stroller or Heavy Stroller Weighing Over 20 lbs.†

Strongly discouraged to avoid damage. Facilities were not designed to accommodate these types of strollers
May be checked at the ticket counter†
May not be carried on the aircraft
Exempt from baggage charges

Please note: American is not responsible for damage to any stroller not properly packed in original packaging.

†Effective June 1, 2011, large, jogging, non-collapsible strollers, or those over 20 lbs will no longer be accepted at the gate and therefore must be checked at the ticket counter. There is no charge as long as a child or infant is traveling."

The size of the gate checked strollers has been getting bigger and bigger. In the past, not as many people flew with strollers and most of the strollers were smaller. I did have a very high end umbrella stroller for my kids when they were little - even as infants - it had back support built in.
And Maclaren strollers were invented in 1965, so not all strollers in the past were huge.
Since many people want big strollers that fully recline and have double cupholders, that is what many companies are making. But, the price for those conveniences is size, although there are strollers out there with the convenience that are small and light.

I spend time on the end of the jetway every flight getting my DD's wheelchair broken down and folded to be taken down the stairs for loading.
I see the strollers that are left at the gate. They may look small to the person who is using them, but they look huge to me and I am comparing them to the size of a narrow adult wheelchair. Some of them are as big or bigger when they are folded than my DD's wheelchair when it is not folded.

One or 2 of those kinds of strollers are probably not much trouble, but I have seen the gate baggage people struggling to deal with them. And, especially to Orlando, there may be 10- 15 of those big strollers on a flight.

I saw one get frustrated trying to carry one down the steps because it was too wide to fit. He finally gave up and chucked it off the side!
I have seen posts where people complain that it is hard to carry their stroller onto the bus ( only up a couple of steps at most).
Imagine carrying that stroller up and down a steep set of fairly narrow steps all the way from the gate to the ground.

I feel for the parents who want a stroller all the way to the gate, but I can also see the airlines side when the strollers are huge.
 
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How is it about money when the airline is exempting checked strollers from baggage fees?

I stand corrected.

Since that is the case, then, I just don't get it. I fly freuqently for work, and I've never seen a problem with congestion or anything else re strollers. (And I know, just because I haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but I do fly about once a week.)

And despite what folks on here are saying, it will be a HUGE inconvenience for people with young children. It's not like I couldn't manage without. Of course, I could. And it really isn't just about getting from point A to point B, we can carry the baby and our oldest can walk. BUT, it is the inevitable airport delays where the stroller is extremely valuable.

Airlines just seem so irrational with their rules. Customer service has been steadily declining, however, so this shouldn't be surprising. The best was the $125 "expediting fee" that I had to pay for AA the other day.** What exactly are you "expediting"? Everything is electronic these days -- its not like the old days when somebody would actually have to do extra work to get me the ticket on time.

**And yes, they can make whatever rules they want. They want to charge me a $125 for the hell of it? Fine. Just don't insult my intelligence by calling it an expediting fee, when you aren't expediting anything.
 


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