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[bcla]

NY NBC saying unconfirmed report that among the riders was an off duty NYC police officer

The reports I've read were that it was an undercover drug crimes officer, and apparently he didn't want to blow his cover.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

The reports I've read were that it was an undercover drug crimes officer, and apparently he didn't want to blow his cover.

Thanks. I haven't heard anything further.

 

[dakcp2001]

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...has_long_criminal_record#sthash.rn44Lrd2.dpuf


The Lawrence motor*cyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.

Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a drivers license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorneys Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.

Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Biker who beat up driver (Reginald Chance) has turned himself in, again according to ABC.

And ABC is saying at least 5 undercover cops (2 detectives) were among the gang and witnessed the beating and did nothing to stop it. Also possibly corrections officers.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Biker who beat up driver (Reginald Chance) has turned himself in, again according to ABC. And ABC is saying at least 5 undercover cops (2 detectives) were among the gang and witnessed the beating and did nothing to stop it. Also possibly corrections officers.

If true, I have a serious problem with this, undercover or not.

 

[FlyingDumbo]

If true, I have a serious problem with this, undercover or not.

Me too. They could have tried to stop it without saying who they were. And the very fact that they were part of this crew of thugs should be indicative of their lack of character.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Me too. They could have tried to stop it without saying who they were. And the very fact that they were part of this crew of thugs should be indicative of their lack of character.

Or one of them could have simply pulled over, made a call, and the police then could have intervened. I would imagine a call from an undercover would stress the situation more than just an ordinary citizen. Regardless, what's more important catching a crackhead or saving an innocent family, but I guess we know by their actions or should I say in-action.

 

[FlyingDumbo]

Or one of them could have simply pulled over, made a call, and the police then could have intervened. I would imagine a call from an undercover would stress the situation more than just an ordinary citizen. Regardless, what's more important catching a crackhead or saving an innocent family, but I guess we know by their actions or should I say in-action.

The driver had already called 911 multiple times and they were en route. It was ordinary citizens that saved this man from the beating, thank god for them. I love New York. I've always met wonderful people there.

 

[Suger Mag]

I have a hard time understanding how a large motorcycle group can rampage through a city... driving recklessly... closing off entrances to highways so they have space to do tricks... terrorizing innocent citizens. Someone here reported that the police did not want to intervene due to the possibility of someone getting hurt (liability from previous situations?)... AND NOW we hear that there were multiple off duty police (5) riding with the gang?

IMHO... Something is starting to smell a little rotten, I don't buy that they were "all on undercover duty".

 

[Imzadi]

Biker who beat up driver (Reginald Chance) has turned himself in, again according to ABC.

YAY!!! I knew it was a matter of time, whether he turned himself in or the NYPD would find him. The second best thing, (if you can call it that,) about it happening in NYC, rather than if the SUV driver tried to stay on the highway and headed across the George Washington Bridge to NJ and was beaten there, (first being that bystanders were able to intervene, and had the courage to do so,) is that the NYPD has the experience & technology to track down criminals. This guy knew his days were numbered.

Once this hit national news, Police Comm. Ray Kelly has had a lot of pressure to catch these guys. With all due respect to Fort Lee, NJ, (across the GW Bridge,) they just don't have the man power, budget or experience in manhunts.


This in on our local NYC news channel:
A second guy has also turned himself in.
The 35 year old man, Robert Sims, who tried to open the SUV's door, is now being charged with GANG ASSAULT and WEAPONS CHARGES.

The NYPD is now looking for a third man for questioning. The pics they have of him, plastered on the news, are FABULOUS!

At least ONE NYPD officer, who was undercover, is on modified duty while being reviewed by the Police Internal Affairs department, for his "involvement" or actions (or in-actions as another PP said.)

The driver had already called 911 multiple times and they were en route. It was ordinary citizens that saved this man from the beating, thank god for them. I love New York. I've always met wonderful people there.

Thank you! Come visit anytime! Thank you for understanding stuff like this does not happen every day. And that we do have wonderful people too, who step in.

 

[Imzadi]

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...has_long_criminal_record#sthash.rn44Lrd2.dpuf


The Lawrence motor*cyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.

Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a drivers license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorneys Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.

Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.

Also reported on our local news channel:

The family of the man's who had been run over and is paralysed, is still demanding to get charges pressed against the family. They are being represented by bottom feeder, Gloria Allred. She is the Jerry Springer of defense lawyers and is probably inflaming the family.

According to the family, "He's not violent gang member and committed no crime in the incident." Yeah, he's an angel.

How the heck do they know what he did or didn't so? Isn't he still in a medically induced coma? And if he was riding on sidewalks & running red lights, he had been committing crimes.

One of the stupid mistakes of this gang is that they did their stunts around Times Square. Since the attempted car bombing a few years ago, the NYPD Counter Terrorism Unit have installed even for street surveillance cameras around the city, especially around the Time Square area. What hasn't been caught on the gang's helmet cams, may have been caught on the street cameras or businesses security cameras.

Those street cameras are great. One time, some guy beat up a woman in a bar bathroom in Times Square, and the street camera was able to pinpoint how he walked out of the bar minutes later, and identified & caught the guy.

We have more and more crimes from robberies, assaults & rapists fleeing the scenes, being caught on film by these street & business cameras. The footage of them is often quite clear. The local news here is always showing these videos, asking us if we can identify any of them.

I hope, at least one camera caught this guy, above, doing some illegal stunt. His rap sheet certainly shows he probably did something. Dr Phil always says, The best prediction of future behavior, is relevant past behavior, (listed above.)

 

[bellebud]

With all due respect to the NYPD, I've been wondering, where were the police? I don't live there, but when I do go the city, you can't go 2 blocks w/out seeing at least 1 officer. I feel like the police were scared of the gang. It's very disturbing. Thank goodness for those 2 men who intervened... I can't believe the gang didn't turn on them.

 

[Rafiki31]

Also reported on our local news channel:

The family of the man's who had been run over and is paralysed, is still demanding to get charges pressed against the family. They are being represented by bottom feeder, Gloria Allred. She is the Jerry Springer of defense lawyers and is probably inflaming the family.

According to the family, "He's not violent gang member and committed no crime in the incident." Yeah, he's an angel.

How the heck do they know what he did or didn't so? Isn't he still in a medically induced coma? And if he was riding on sidewalks & running red lights, he had been committing crimes.

One of the stupid mistakes of this gang is that they did their stunts around Times Square. Since the attempted car bombing a few years ago, the NYPD Counter Terrorism Unit have installed even for street surveillance cameras around the city, especially around the Time Square area. What hasn't been caught on the gang's helmet cams, may have been caught on the street cameras or businesses security cameras.

Those street cameras are great. One time, some guy beat up a woman in a bar bathroom in Times Square, and the street camera was able to pinpoint how he walked out of the bar minutes later, and identified & caught the guy.

We have more and more crimes from robberies, assaults & rapists fleeing the scenes, being caught on film by these street & business cameras. The footage of them is often quite clear. The local news here is always showing these videos, asking us if we can identify any of them.

I hope, at least one camera caught this guy, above, doing some illegal stunt. His rap sheet certainly shows he probably did something. Dr Phil always says, The best prediction of future behavior, is relevant past behavior, (listed above.)

Having no drivers license, motorcycle license, or insurance is illegal, correct? So this poor saint that got run over should not have been there to begin with.

 

[Imzadi]

With all due respect to the NYPD, I've been wondering, where were the police? I don't live there, but when I do go the city, you can't go 2 blocks w/out seeing at least 1 officer. I feel like the police were scared of the gang. It's very disturbing. Thank goodness for those 2 men who intervened... I can't believe the gang didn't turn on them.

The police officers who walk the streets are very different from the guys who ride on the car patrol. The side walk officers can't exactly chase the guys down who are riding motorcycles & dirt bikes.

There are also different procedures for when the police know there is going to be a major event/protest/etc. I've seen police in riot gear, and in huge numbers, ready to tackle a large group. One or two officers cannot just go in alone without major backup against a gang of 30-40 members. Comm. Kelly said they had no notice these guys were coming into the city that day. (Why the heck those undercover officers didn't report it, I don't know. )

Robert Sims, mentioned in one of my last posts, who tried to open the SUV door, is being charged with weapons possession. He had a weapon when he opened the door. That family was right in fearing for their lives.

The guy who knifed the tires also had a weapon. That piece of crud, Reginald Chance, who smashed the driver side window and pulled the driver out of the car and beat him, had a knife, or someone else knifed the driver. That's three weapons right there in a gang of about 30 who surrounded the SUV.

We do not know how many police cars did finally show up. I vaguely recall seeing at least three officers in one of the pictures of the SUV wife holding her child. So that is two cars right there.

One time, I was chatting with an NYPD cop in the street, on traffic control duty, during a street fair. It was the middle of the summer. Imentioned how hot I was. He how hot he was in his bullet proof vest. I said, "But, you are only on crowd control duty? You still need a vest?" He said Any time an NYPD officer puts on his uniform, he also has to be aware he has a possible target on his back. There are people interested in hurting one of our cops and what they represent."

This city has 8 million residents. Not all of them respect "Officer Friendly." One of the toughest jobs is being an NYPD officer with a target on their back. That motorcycle gang already proved they do not respect certain laws.

 

[Imzadi]

Having no drivers license, motorcycle license, or insurance is illegal, correct? So this poor saint that got run over should not have been there to begin with.

Ah, good point! I forgot he already started doing illegal stuff as soon as he got on his bike.

 

[bellebud]

The police officers who walk the streets are very different from the guys who ride on the car patrol. The side walk officers can't exactly chase the guys down who are riding motorcycles & dirt bikes.

There are also different procedures for when the police know there is going to be a major event/protest/etc. I've seen police in riot gear, and in huge numbers, ready to tackle a large group. One or two officers cannot just go in alone without major backup against a gang of 30-40 members. Comm. Kelly said they had no notice these guys were coming into the city that day. (Why the heck those undercover officers didn't report it, I don't know. )

Robert Sims, mentioned in one of my last posts, who tried to open the SUV door, is being charged with weapons possession. He had a weapon when he opened the door. That family was right in fearing for their lives.

The guy who knifed the tires also had a weapon. That piece of crud, Robert Chance, who smashed the driver side window and pulled the driver out of the car and beat him, had a knife, or someone else knifed the driver. That's three weapons right there in a gang of about 30 who surrounded the SUV.

We do not know how many police cars did finally show up. I vaguely recall seeing at least three officers in one of the pictures of the SUV wife holding her child. So that is two cars right there.

One time, I was chatting with an NYPD cop in the street, on traffic control duty, during a street fair. It was the middle of the summer. Imentioned how hot I was. He how hot he was in his bullet proof vest. I said, "But, you are only on crowd control duty? You still need a vest?" He said Any time an NYPD officer puts on his uniform, he also has to be aware he has a possible target on his back. There are people interested in hurting one of our cops and what they represent."

This city has 8 million residents. Not all of them respect "Officer Friendly." One of the toughest jobs is being an NYPD officer with a target on their back. That motorcycle gang already proved they do not respect certain laws.

believe me, I do get that... but 2 civilians stepped in and took their lives in their hands. 911 was aware of the area they were driving for a little while at least. And Times Square???? There are police there all the time. It just feels very strange and very scary to me, that the police feel helpless unless they're give prior notice.

 

[Imzadi]

believe me, I do get that... but 2 civilians stepped in and took their lives in their hands. 911 was aware of the area they were driving for a little while at least. And Times Square???? There are police there all the time. It just feels very strange and very scary to me, that the police feel helpless unless they're give prior notice.

I hear you. But, where the gang were being rowdy, and where they bumped into that SUV couple and surrounded their car, are very different places.

I don't know how long they are in Times Square, around 42nd St. They might have just been there for several minutes doing their stunts, and left immediately before police cars could get there. The closest police station is near me at 54th St & 8th Ave.

Then the reports or surveillance cameras showed them leaving the city and heading back to NJ. So, basically, their "only" crime at that point was breaking several street laws & scaring some pedestrians. Not a high crime at that point and they were leaving.

Then the next time the police are called is at about 168th St, on the West Side Hwy, by the SUV driver. And they are in a moving vehicle. Different police precinct(s) have to be called in up there and they have to make their way to the West Side Hwy. AND the SUV and gang are moving. So, by the time the police get to their first known reported location, the crime scene is moving. They have to recalibrate and/or follow the SUV and the gang.

People in cars here do not respect when cop cars, fire trucks or ambulances need to get through. Generally, people elsewhere are taught to move to the side of the roads and to STOP when they hear a siren, and to let those vehicles through. This does not happen in this city. And it peeves me. People don't just stop. They are still driving through intersections, creating traffic jams or don't pull over to let these vehicles pass. These cop cars are stuck in city traffic. People selfishly think their need to get to their destination is more important. Meanwhile people are dying in ambulances and crimes are happening.

From the first call by the SUV to the last call, when the police arrived at the final, non-moving destination at 178th St, back in the city streets, 8 minutes passed. 178th St is generally not a high crime area. They don't just have cops in cars waiting for these type of situations. OR they could be at a few other crimes where some guy is knifing his wife in their apartment, which didn't make it onto the national news.

Just knowing the city streets here, and how slow traffic gums up situations, 8 minutes is incredible time. On the other hand, yeah, that is a scary amount of time, with no police to intervene and no weapons of their own to defend themselves or their child.

The SUV driver truly was lucky he wasn't killed in those 8 minutes. Those by-standers are also lucky they didn't get jumped by that gang and knifed.


On a related side note: On a subway platform here a few weeks ago, some guy was beating on this woman. She was fighting back. A by-stander saw it and intervened. Then the guy started hitting him and pushed him OFF the platform onto the subway tracks. And he wouldn't let the guy try to climb back up onto the platform. Another person intervened, and got the guy away and helped that other guy get back up onto the platform. Meanwhile a couple other people helped detain the beating guy, until police showed up several minutes later. The woman, luckily was not hurt badly.

The police can't be everywhere at once. This city is filled with horrible and wonderful stuff like this all the time. What keeps me believing in the people of this city, and why I can continue to live here, are the stories of our average citizens who intervene and do the right thing, at risk of their own lives. And that too, happens all the time. Those stories just don't make national news.

Did it make national news that two by-standers intervened and stopped further beatings on the SUV driver? Most likely, I think not. I noticed it by looking at the pictures and pointing it out in this thread. The next day it was reported on local news that the NYPD want to find these two guys. (Not saying the police found out because of me pointing it out. )

 

[Imzadi]

believe me, I do get that... but 2 civilians stepped in and took their lives in their hands. 911 was aware of the area they were driving for a little while at least. And Times Square???? There are police there all the time. It just feels very strange and very scary to me, that the police feel helpless unless they're give prior notice.

Another thing that someone here, I think, pointed out: this gang has come into the city a couple other times and have done the same thing and quickly left. I don't know if this is true, but the PP person said that the police were told NOT to chase down these guys, as, if one of the gang runs over someone or causes an accident while running away due to a police chase, the police department would get sued, not the gang member. A Gloria Allred would go after the NYPD, as they have money, not the gang members.

I've read in the past, that police in California no long chase criminals in high speed chases. As they too, have been sued by a pedestrian who was hurt due to a high speed chase. Even though the criminal caused the situation in the first place, causing the police to chase them, the criminals say that they wouldn't have been speeding away, the way they were, had the police not chased them. So, it all was the police's fault.

 

[cjbcam]

I am glad the guy took off and I'm even glad he hurt some one. It shows these guys people aren't going to sit around and let themselves be mugged or killed by them. It's a fight or flight response. I'm honestly sorry more of them didn't get hurt.

 

[Colleen27]

With all due respect to the NYPD, I've been wondering, where were the police? I don't live there, but when I do go the city, you can't go 2 blocks w/out seeing at least 1 officer. I feel like the police were scared of the gang. It's very disturbing. Thank goodness for those 2 men who intervened... I can't believe the gang didn't turn on them.

I suspect that the NYPD made a conscious decision not to engage this group unless they did something violent, because the fallout of a high speed chase with a group that thinks nothing of driving on sidewalks and anywhere else they can get through would be far worse than their "usual" hijinks (which generally involve tying up traffic and other obnoxiousness, but not assault or property damage). Police are in a tough position when it comes to questions of when to pursue because when an innocent bystander is killed or injured due to a police pursuit it is the police, not the criminal, who take the blame.