Have you gotten a COVID vaccine?

[Farro]

It has been in the news if you look it up. A recent one is a 56 year old OBGYN doctor who's complication after receiving the vaccine was a stroke and died. That one is actively still being investigated but it's not the first. All vaccines have risks associated with them. The difference is this one is not FDA approved, not many studies done yet, and no known long term complications known. Thank goodness you can't give it to anyone under 18 as I'm sure the schools would then be pushing for children to be vaccinated.

Please post the link as to where you read this, I can't find it. I do see two individuals given the vaccine during the trial did die, one of cardiac arrest and one of a stroke, but deaths were deemed NOT related to vaccine.

I found it - they are investigating, but don't believe it's related to the vaccine:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...der-investigation-gregory-michael/6574414002/

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It has been in the news if you look it up. A recent one is a 56 year old OBGYN doctor who's complication after receiving the vaccine was a stroke and died. That one is actively still being investigated but it's not the first. All vaccines have risks associated with them. The difference is this one is not FDA approved, not many studies done yet, and no known long term complications known. Thank goodness you can't give it to anyone under 18 as I'm sure the schools would then be pushing for children to be vaccinated.

At least with the man you are talking about I think it would be prudent to either give all the information or to stipulate things. You're immediately linking it to it when that has not been confirmed, so perhaps exercise caution here?

He received Pfizer and this is their statement: "We are actively investigating this case, but we don't believe at this time that there is any direct connection to the vaccine," the statement said. There is no indication – either from large clinical trials or among people who have received the vaccine since the government authorized its use last month – that it could be connected to thrombocytopenia, the company said."

It is being investigated by the appropriate entities though as it should def. be.

Could you link information about definite information or PM if you wish for the other part of your comment due to your statement of "there have been other deaths". It's paramount to ensure accurate information is given either way rather than making a "correlation equals causation" connection when it hasn't been established as such.

 

[motherof5]

Please post the link as to where you read this, I can't find it. I do see two individuals given the vaccine during the trial did die, one of cardiac arrest and one of a stroke, but deaths were deemed NOT related to vaccine.

I found it - they are investigating, but don't believe it's related to the vaccine:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...der-investigation-gregory-michael/6574414002/

Glad you found it. The investigation is still ongoing though the doctor's wife claimed he stated he had symptoms and was being watched within days of vaccine.

 

[motherof5]

At least with the man you are talking about I think it would be prudent to either give all the information or to stipulate things. You're immediately linking it to it when that has not been confirmed, so perhaps exercise caution here?

He received Pfizer and this is their statement: "We are actively investigating this case, but we don't believe at this time that there is any direct connection to the vaccine," the statement said. There is no indication – either from large clinical trials or among people who have received the vaccine since the government authorized its use last month – that it could be connected to thrombocytopenia, the company said."

It is being investigated by the appropriate entities though as it should def. be.

Could you link information about definite information or PM if you wish for the other part of your comment due to your statement of "there have been other deaths". It's paramount to ensure accurate information is given either way rather than making a "correlation equals causation" connection when it hasn't been established as such.

There are a few sites that had a list of death being investigated and adverse reactions. When I go to work I'll see if I can get those links. Or I will try google later to see if I can find on my own without the hospital resources.

 

[mefordis]

Please post the link as to where you read this, I can't find it. I do see two individuals given the vaccine during the trial did die, one of cardiac arrest and one of a stroke, but deaths were deemed NOT related to vaccine.

I found it - they are investigating, but don't believe it's related to the vaccine:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...der-investigation-gregory-michael/6574414002/

This is what I've found but his wife posted the entire story on her facebook. I read it a few days ago. He got the Pfizer vaccine and a day or two later noticed Petechiae on his legs.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/florida-doctor-dies-two-weeks-after-getting-covid-vaccine/

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

There are a few sites that had a list of death being investigated and adverse reactions. When I go to work I'll see if I can get those links. Or I will try google later to see if I can find on my own without the hospital resources.

Right and I respect you trying. But you said "A recent one is a 56 year old OBGYN doctor who's complication after receiving the vaccine was a stroke and died. That one is actively still being investigated but it's not the first." And "here have been some deaths associated with the vaccine." I was asking you to provide such information that they have ruled his death and the other deaths you mentioned occurred from the vaccine directly. His death is being investigated and you can see the statement they made regarding the condition that had been mentioned by others. Last I saw a month ago 2 deaths from Pfizer's trials were ruled that there was no causal relationship between the death and the vaccine and 4 deaths occurred when those participants had not received the vaccine to begin with.

I'm not unaware of adverse effects and side effects it's just not the same as what you stated

I believe in accurate information, regardless of what it shows, is all.

 

[mefordis]

Here is the FB page of the wife of the OB Gyn who died two weeks after he received the covid vaccine. Not saying it was caused by the vaccine but all events after getting this vaccine are entered into the VAERS database, as was this one I'm guessing.

https://www.facebook.com/heidi.neckelmann/posts/10157817790183977

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Here is the FB page of the wife of the OB Gyn who died two weeks after he received the covid vaccine.

We understand, but FB is not an official cause of death that the vaccine caused it. Furthermore, we probably should not blast the poor woman's FB news feed all over here (and out of respect I have removed the link). She is understandably upset. It's up to the appropriate parties to investigate the death and I know they will. Regardless of the outcome of the investigation it does not make his death any less painful for her.

 

[mefordis]

We, at least I, understand, but FB is not an official cause of death that the vaccine caused it. Furthermore, we probably should not blast the poor woman's FB news feed all over here (and out of respect I have removed the link). She is understandably upset. It's up to the appropriate parties to investigate the death and I know they will. Regardless of the outcome of the investigation it does not make his death any less painful for her.

She wants her FB to be read since she is sharing it everywhere, including the article. She even says, "Do not let his death be in vain please save more lives by making this information news." She believes the vaccine caused his death. It's not determined by official sources, though.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

She wants her FB to be read since she is sharing it everywhere, including the article. She even says, "Do not let his death be in vain please save more lives by making this information news." She believes the vaccine caused his death. It's not determined by official sources, though.

I know I saw that, but consider this from her viewpoint. Her husband passed away and from her side it's the vaccine, emotions I'm sure are running high. I doubt she really intends her post to be used to share misinformation should his death found to not be a causal relationship with the vaccine which is exactly what it will be used for in the end. We can understand her frame of mind but just because someone said "share away" does not mean one has to do that, especially here on the DIS on this thread when the investigation is still ongoing. I'll leave it at that; off to my HOA annual homeowners zoom meeting

 

[godisney14]

Not true. Even the ones that contracted Covid had a less severe case. Not a single person who received either mRNA died from Covid.

“You could still get infected with the virus even with the vaccine.

And this vaccine will not have an effect on 5% of the population.”

Care to explain what part of my comment is untrue?

 

[lifesavacation]

My dd’s best friend (17) gets the Pfizer vaccine tonight. She’s a volunteer at the hospital. I’m happy for her because she lives in a multigenerational home.

 

[Pyotr]

“You could still get infected with the virus even with the vaccine.

And this vaccine will not have an effect on 5% of the population.”

Care to explain what part of my comment is untrue?

Gladly. You stated that the vaccine would not have an effect on 5% of the population. That is not correct. According to both trials, the people who contracted symptomatic Covid after vaccinations had more mild cases. Additionally, there were zero deaths in both vaccination groups.

Even AZ‘s vaccine, with its lower efficacy, reduced severe Covid and resulted in no Covid deaths.

Feel free to read the trials.

 

[Pyotr]

Please post the link as to where you read this, I can't find it. I do see two individuals given the vaccine during the trial did die, one of cardiac arrest and one of a stroke, but deaths were deemed NOT related to vaccine.

I found it - they are investigating, but don't believe it's related to the vaccine:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...der-investigation-gregory-michael/6574414002/

It’s on Facebook so it must be true.

 

[RamblingMad]

Signed up my dad today. AZ is now vaccinating 75+.

But it looks like it will be a long time before kids can get one:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/cov...expect-data-for-young-children-this-year.html

 

[mefordis]

It’s on Facebook so it must be true.

It's not just on Facebook she really did lose her husband a little compassion would be a nice thing. I realize we are in short supply of that these days.

 

[Pyotr]

It's not just on Facebook she really did lose her husband a little compassion would be a nice thing. I realize we are in short supply of that these days.

How about reserving judgement until all the facts come out? I wonder if this doctor would like his death being used to push the anti-vaccination agenda.

 

[mefordis]

How about reserving judgement until all the facts come out? I wonder if this doctor would like his death being used to push the anti-vaccination agenda.

The wife of the husband wants his story told, she says as much in her interview and Facebook post. Do you even read articles or just headlines? Then disparage them if it makes you feel uncomfortable? No one said it's conclusive but the wife feels 100% the death was caused by the vaccine.

Here's her quote:
‘My husband had conversations with the doctors who said it was highly probable that the vaccine was the cause.

‘It seems possible to me that somehow it instructed his body to attack the wrong thing, the platelets.’

And since no one expects 0 deaths to come of this experimental roll out (except for maybe you?) it is quite plausible that it was caused by the vaccine.

The good news is most people seem to be doing very well after taking this vaccine, so far. However, if everyone wants to believe the "believe in science" which is the pursuit of knowledge of the natural world, you must be open to all information. First you take the information, then you compile the data. The vaccine makers are doing this right now (I hope) and soon we will have a safety study of outcomes.

But if someone dies within 2 weeks of taking this vaccine the way this doctor did, I'd like to know about it and not have the information filtered for me. People can make up their own minds you don't have to hide information from them.

 

[mom2rtk]

The wife of the husband wants his story told, she says as much in her interview and Facebook post. Do you even read articles or just headlines? Then disparage them if it makes you feel uncomfortable? No one said it's conclusive but the wife feels 100% the death was caused by the vaccine.

Here's her quote:
‘My husband had conversations with the doctors who said it was highly probable that the vaccine was the cause.

‘It seems possible to me that somehow it instructed his body to attack the wrong thing, the platelets.’

And since no one expects 0 deaths to come of this experimental roll out (except for maybe you?) it is quite plausible that it was caused by the vaccine.

The good news is most people seem to be doing very well after taking this vaccine, so far. However, if everyone wants to believe the "believe in science" which is the pursuit of knowledge of the natural world, you must be open to all information. First you take the information, then you compile the data. The vaccine makers are doing this right now (I hope) and soon we will have a safety study of outcomes.

How about we wait and see what the medical experts report?

A very sad thing, regardless of how it happened. But there's also risk in people not being vaccinated, right?

 

[mefordis]

How about we wait and see what the medical experts report?

A very sad thing, regardless of how it happened. But there's also risk in people not being vaccinated, right?

Yes and I don't think anyone said because of this don't take the vaccine. There will be adverse events and even death. Even the chicken pox vaccine has caused some deaths. You can look all of this up in VAERS. This is informed consent. You are told of the risks and benefits and then you consent or not.

There is no safety data for these vaccines yet (that came from human trials), like there has been for every other vaccine or drug. It is being collected and compiled now, as it is being rolled out.