Hatfields and McCoys

We enjoyed the first installment. With regards to understanding the dialogue, I have that same issue w/some people I work with, but we were able to comprehend most of it.

As for where it's filmed, if that's where filming costs were reasonable, I don't have an issue with filming overseas.
 
ME and hubby! He has been waiting for it to start for weeks!
Me too! I saw the preview at the movie theater, which I thought was kind of odd -- I've never seen a TV show advertised at the theater -- and I've been looking forward to it!
So, how accurate is this? Did Cap really desert in the middle of the war? If that is true, I can't blame Randolph for being angry with him. He was messed up when he got back and to see Cap prospering, would have burned me up also.
DH and I wondered about this too, and we'd like to know how much was poetic license. I knew that the pig thing was true, but it does seem realistic that something came before the pig and a whole lot came after the pig!
No I think it was the accents. Like the clothes they aren't sanitizing the speaking or the accents, they really sound like they are from the Appalachians/West Virginia hills.

My DH has the TV loud and I could hear the volume fine but had to really listen to understand the accents.
I don't know about that. I've lived in the South all my life, and I have a purty good Suth'rn drawl maself. I know people from the Appalachias -- yet I had trouble understanding some of the people on TV. It seemed to be worst in the first scenes. I don't know whether the sound technicians did a better job as time went on, or if my ears became accustomed to the accents.
Sort of accurate. The Hatfields lived in what would become West Virginia. They fought for the Confederacy. The McCoys lived in a neighboring county in Kentucky. They fought for the Union. Asa Harmon McCoy was killed when he returned home after fighting for the Union army. Asa McCoy came home early because he had a broken leg. He was killed by confederate homeguard. At first, they blamed Anse Hatfield, but later confirmed that he was not involved. It is believed that his uncle, Jim Vance, committed the murder.

The second incident didn't occur until 13 years later. That was the hog incident. The real tension developed when Roseanna McCoy and Johnson Hatfield fell in love. She did stay with the Hatfields for awhile, but returned home. When they tried to get together again, Johnson Hatfield was arrested by the McCoys on a bootlegging charge. Roseanna did make a late night ride to get Johnson's father to rescue him. Johnson ended up abandoning the pregnant Roseanna and married her cousin, Nancy McCoy, instead.

It really escalated when Ellison Hatfield, brother of Devil Anse Hatfield, was killed by three of Roseanna's brothers. The brothers were eventually murdered, as well.

In 1888, members of the Hatfield family surrounded the McCoy cabin and opened fire on the sleeping family. The cabin was set on fire. Randolph McCoy made it out, but not all of his children did. He was wife was beaten and left for dead.

Further violence occurred over the next few years. Eventually, state militia were sent in to restore peace. In the end, some of the Hatfields stood trial for the McCoy cabin massacre. Some were imprisoned and others hanged.
Interesting. Sounds like the writers had the truth but used poetic license as well, particularly in placing them both on the same side of the war and the dessertion.

How 'bout the economic discrepancies? In the show, the Hatfields dress better, seem to be better educated, and their cabin has sprouted additions as the show progresses (and it looked better to start with).

To go back to the accent topic, I thought they were calling Kevin Costner's character Devil Vance Hatfield, and I assumed he was named for his uncle. Since I've already been so wrong on his name, was he really named Devil Anse, or was the Devil part just a nickname? I'd like to think no mother would name her baby boy for Satan -- seems like a bad precident -- but I know that my family has some awfully odd names from back in those generations. (Ah, just for the record, none of my ancestors were named for inhabitants of the Everlasting Bonfire.)
No. My info came from a book I read, "Blood Feud" by Lisa Alther. According to her book, Asa McCoy was released early. There was nothing about a desertion. If you're intrested in the subject, I recommend this book. Very interesting.
I enjoyed the first part of this series very much, and I think I would like to read that book. However, I'll have to add it to the loooong list of things I want to read.
 
The question wasn't if Asa deserted but devil anse.

Asa had a broken leg and was sent home.

From what I've read devil Anse did desert in 1863.

As for Randall McCoy fighting confederate most sources say that so not poetic licensing for script.

The above quoting about the general statement of Mccoys fighting union I had also read and seems in conflict for what most sources say at least for randall. I'm not sure about the Mccoys as a whole but sources seemed to think Asa was going his own way fighting union.
 
Devil Anse deserted in 1863.
http://www.wvencyclopedia.org/articles/278 good article about him.

http://wvgazette.com/Entertainment/201205250244 page 2 explains why they did not film the movie here....lol I live in WV.
Thanks for finding that. I tried looking yesterday, but didn't have much time and couldn't find anything.

No. My info came from a book I read, "Blood Feud" by Lisa Alther. According to her book, Asa McCoy was released early. There was nothing about a desertion. If you're intrested in the subject, I recommend this book. Very interesting.
I will definitely add the book to my list. This series has sparked my interest and I want to read more about it, but it so tough not knowing what books are accurate and which are more fiction then truth.

There is also another book that looks like it might be good. It's by historian Altina Waller. She studied the feud for 10 years and is on the documentary that accompanies the DVD. It's called Feud: Hatfields, McCoys and Social Change in Appalachia, 1860-1900.
The question wasn't if Asa deserted but devil anse.

Asa had a broken leg and was sent home.

From what I've read devil Anse did desert in 1863.

As for Randall McCoy fighting confederate most sources say that so not poetic licensing for script.

The above quoting about the general statement of Mccoys fighting union I had also read and seems in conflict for what most sources say at least for randall. I'm not sure about the Mccoys as a whole but sources seemed to think Asa was going his own way fighting union.
That was pretty much what I was able to find yesterday. Most of them, Hatfields and McCoys fought for the south and Asa was an exception fighting for the north. They said that his murder wasn't really to much of blip on the McCoy radar.
 

We've been watching it, too.

All I can say is, Thank God for the Rewind button!! I'm having a very tough time understanding some of the characters, as well, and have had to rewind quite a few times to "re-listen" to what they're saying.

And one thing that really suprised me is Tom Berenger is Jim Vance. Whoa, he's almost unrecognizable!!
 
Desertions during the Civil War were not that uncommon, among southerners anyway. One of my ancestors fought for the south, deserted for a while, and then went back and took up the fight again. These were poor farmers who left their families behind and they would go home to plant crops in the spring and then rejoin the war. In fall, they might go home to bring in crops so their families wouldn't starve. They weren't charged with desertion and were considered honorable soldiers.
 
We've been watching it, too.

All I can say is, Thank God for the Rewind button!! I'm having a very tough time understanding some of the characters, as well, and have had to rewind quite a few times to "re-listen" to what they're saying.

And one thing that really suprised me is Tom Berenger is Jim Vance. Whoa, he's almost unrecognizable!!

THAT is Tom Berenger? :eek: I'd been waiting to see him after I saw his name in the opening creds. Turns out I'd been "seeing" him all along, just didn't know it. Holy crap!

What did everyone think of last night's episode? The scene with the three brothers getting shot was so intense I had to look away. They certainly aren't sparing any of the gore/realism.

Mama Hatfield is in on lots of the family decisions, too. Anyone else notice how Anse looks to her for approval or her opinion on things before he decides?

Can't wait for the finale tonight :yay:
 
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I have one and two in my DVR right now with three set to record tonight then I'll watch them all in a row... sounds like it's pretty good from everyones reviews.
 
THAT is Tom Berenger? :eek: I'd been waiting to see him after I saw his name in the opening creds. Turns out I'd been "seeing" him all along, just didn't know it. Holy crap!

What did everyone think of last night's episode? The scene with the three brothers getting shot was so intense I had to look away. They certainly aren't sparing any of the gore/realism.

Mama Hatfield is in on lots of the family decisions, too. Anyone else notice how Anse looks to her for approval or her opinion on things before he decides?

Can't wait for the finale tonight :yay:

I couldn't watch! I think I'm turning away from a lot, and didn't expect I would. Did Johnse shoot, too? I know he claimed not to, but missed if anything was shown to back it up.
 
I couldn't watch! I think I'm turning away from a lot, and didn't expect I would. Did Johnse shoot, too? I know he claimed not to, but missed if anything was shown to back it up.

I was wondering the exact same thing. From the look on his face, of sadness and empathy, I'd say he shot over their heads as he said. But then again, he's been known to not always tell the exact truth (Nope, I didn't sleep with Roseanna, etc.) that it's hard to know. :confused3
 
What did everyone think of last night's episode? The scene with the three brothers getting shot was so intense I had to look away. They certainly aren't sparing any of the gore/realism.
I was going to post something similar. I didn't look away, but I got a big lump in my throat watching, especially when they flashed to both McCoy parents waiting and wondering, and when Anse yelled out, "Harden your hearts!" just before shooting. :sad1: I also found Mare Winningham's (Mrs. McCoy) performance really moving as a Mom.

OT but this was in People:

"Costner comes as close to a hero as this piece gets," opined the Los Angeles Times TV critic. "It is a truly brilliant performance, worthy of an Emmy for the pipe-smoking alone."
So true! :rotfl:
 
I am loving Mare Winningham in this! :thumbsup2
Yes! I think she'll be up for an Emmy nomination for it.

Did you notice the stark contrast to when Anse and Randall came home to their wives from the war? Mrs. Hatfield was loving and welcoming (despite his being a deserter), and outside of church - presumably about a year later - was holding an infant; while Mrs. McCoy was somewhat cold (despite his seeing it through and being the only one left of his company), walking inside instead of going to him, and saying in the bedroom that said she'd "do her wifely duty" but instructed him to "leave his seed outside" (or something to that effect, lol) as she "couldn't bare the thought of having another baby"? I liked the subtlety and irony of that, and it did make one wonder about life during those times.
 
Yes! I think she'll be up for an Emmy nomination for it.

Did you notice the stark contrast to when Anse and Randall came home to their wives from the war? Mrs. Hatfield was loving and welcoming (despite his being a deserter), and outside of church - presumably about a year later - was holding an infant; while Mrs. McCoy was somewhat cold (despite his seeing it through and being the only one left of his company), walking inside instead of going to him, and saying in the bedroom that said she'd "do her wifely duty" but instructed him to "leave his seed outside" (or something to that effect, lol) as she "couldn't bare the thought of having another baby"? I liked the subtlety and irony of that, and it did make one wonder about life during those times.

DH and I were talking about the difference in the wives last night. However, I do feel like Mrs. McCoy is turning out to be portrayed as more compassionate and loving towards her family, while Mrs. Hatfield is being portrayed as scheming and conniving. Look how Mrs. Hatfield turned away Roseanna when she knew no-one else wanted her, and then told Anse to get Nancy to hate Johnse, as examples.
 
Yes! I think she'll be up for an Emmy nomination for it.

Did you notice the stark contrast to when Anse and Randall came home to their wives from the war? Mrs. Hatfield was loving and welcoming (despite his being a deserter), and outside of church - presumably about a year later - was holding an infant; while Mrs. McCoy was somewhat cold (despite his seeing it through and being the only one left of his company), walking inside instead of going to him, and saying in the bedroom that said she'd "do her wifely duty" but instructed him to "leave his seed outside" (or something to that effect, lol) as she "couldn't bare the thought of having another baby"? I liked the subtlety and irony of that, and it did make one wonder about life during those times.

See I thought Mrs McCoy was the more accurate portrayal of a woman of those times. That is what they called it and she had a ton of kids already and they didn't have birth control, It made complete sense to me. I thought she portrays a true mountain woman much better and truer. I also didn't think sh said "the thought" of I thought she said not be able to live through the pain or the bearing of another baby. also true for those times.

Mrs Hatfield is a bit to put together for me and is very scheming and nasty underneath IMO.
 
See I thought Mrs McCoy was the more accurate portrayal of a woman of those times. That is what they called it and she had a ton of kids already and they didn't have birth control, It made complete sense to me. I thought she portrays a true mountain woman much better and truer.
It made sense to me, too (although I admit to being unfamiliar with what a mountain woman is like). From an artistic standpoint, I just liked the way they handled the contrast.

I also didn't think sh said "the thought" of I thought she said not be able to live through the pain or the bearing of another baby. also true for those times.
I didn't write it a second time as I thought my first "or something to that effect" would cover it. :laughing: But yes, I can understand how she would not want any more children and that would be one way to try to avoid it, for sure.
 
The first two episodes are repeating now if anyone wants to try to catch them.
 
The first two episodes are repeating now if anyone wants to try to catch them.

Thanks. I'm re-watching episode 2 now (they are cutting out the swears though). Has anyone else noticed there is this one instrumental song and when it starts it sounds like True Colors. Does anyone else hear that?
 













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