Hate to do this, but have a topic about abortion...

[MrsKreamer]

Only to terrorize when in the hands of an idiot who thinks that yellow and frightening women as has been described repeatedly on this thread.

Outside of that--it is to educate. Some women don't know what they are aborting and follow blindly the thought they they are getting rid of a clump of cells. They don't realize how human that clump of cells really looks. If you can look at the pic (or your ultrasound) and still abort...then so be it. It is those who have no idea what they are aborting that is troubling.

Think about this--people supported the Vietnam War--until it became the first "televised" war in history as recorded images were shown on the news each night...that had never happened before. The average person saw what war was really like....then public opinion changed. It was terrible for the Vets b/c as they came home they were personally held accountable for carrying out their missions with good intention.

Everyone says we should be open minded about the legality of abortion--planned parenthood is there to help young women. To not educate them on what is inside their body when they are pregnant and seeking abortion is terrible. Women should be fully informed so that they can make a full and complete decision with all of the information. Since PP doesn't tell them....the pro-lifers do. And some share those images in a good way, and not a terrorizing way.

ITA...Couldn't have ever said it better.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm glad it's over and I hope you feel well soon. Keep advocating for the insurance coverage.

My sentiments exactly. Our opinions may differ and I can't say what I would have done in her shoes, but do hope you feel better soon, Jenny.

Keep up with that insurance and check with your state reps/senators to help you on this.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Well, I don't know the answer to that...but the stages of life from conception to full-term delivery are well documented. It doesn't take a rocket science to compare a pic of an aborted fetus with "authentic" pictures of a still in gestation fetus of the same age. Unless you think that biology classes have been lying for years on this.

As far as the material--I don't know how they got it. Are you suggesting they sneak into clinics and photograph the aborted fetuses? Regardless of how they got them---it doesn't dispute the fact that the fetus develops while in gestation and acquires the features depicted in the photographs.

I mean "if it's your body" and you elected to have a parasite removed--what did the documentation say that you signed when you had the abortion? I'm sure most women who seek abortions don't wish to keep the remains of the abortion and whomever performed the abortion then owns the material. For the sake of science I am sure that someone with good intention (meaning, on the side of abortion) took the photos that are now in the hands of pro-lifers.


These pics are no more of a scare tactic that war photos used to defeat public opinion towards war. It's a fact. Whether you know the source of it or not--it is what it looks like. It isn't photo-shopped, it's real. It isn't pretty and it isn't meant to be pretty. To claim that they are showing fabricated images is rediculous....b/c then you've pretty much disputed the developmental process of the fetus from zygote to baby of which there is plenty of scientific documentation.

I'm so glad that I checked on here just to read some more BS. I sure hope that some people on here don't consider themselves compassionate Christians. If this is supposed to come form a good, religious person I would much rather spend my time debating with someone who kicks their dog.

What did the document say when you ripped it out of the hands of a clinic patient? I have no way of knowing what the document says? I don't appreciate your inference.

Jenny take care of yourself! Maybe it would be wise to not get aggravated by some people!

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I'm so glad that I checked on here just to read some more BS. I sure hope that some people on here don't consider themselves compassionate Christians. If this is supposed to come form a good, religious person I would much rather spend my time debating with someone who kicks their dog.

What did the document say when you ripped it out of the hands of a clinic patient? I have no way of knowing what the document says? I don't appreciate your inference.

Jenny take care of yourself! Maybe it would be wise to not get aggravated by some people!

Second time today that you've cracked me up, minnie. Thank you. (don't ya love this guy?)

Incidentally, I can't answer for Lisa, but I most certainly do consider myself a compassionate Christian. Can't quite figure out what upset you about Lisa's post. (I'm pretty sure her "you" was "you" in a general sense. Apparently, though, you thought otherwise.)

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Second time today that you've cracked me up, minnie. Thank you. (don't ya love this guy?)

Incidentally, I can't answer for Lisa, but I most certainly do consider myself a compassionate Christian. Can't quite figure out what upset you about Lisa's post. (I'm pretty sure her "you" was "you" in a general sense. Apparently, though, you thought otherwise.)

Okay, lets take a vote! Who considers Lisa and Kristy as being compassionate on this thread? Where are the rest of the Christians on here, they are being strangely silent.hmmm

I'll check back Monday.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm so glad that I checked on here just to read some more BS. I sure hope that some people on here don't consider themselves compassionate Christians. If this is supposed to come form a good, religious person I would much rather spend my time debating with someone who kicks their dog.

What did the document say when you ripped it out of the hands of a clinic patient? I have no way of knowing what the document says? I don't appreciate your inference.

Jenny take care of yourself! Maybe it would be wise to not get aggravated by some people!

I don't think Jenny has been aggravated by much of anybody on here--she's seems to hold her own very well--and noone has been attacking her...myself included..in fact, I have offered advice on her insurance issues. We can disagree and still look out for one another.

What about what I said was BS? I didn't say you ripped any document out of anybody's hands . Did it ever occur to you that the photographs were taken legitimately? ARe you not aware of the development of a fetus to know that its development is well documented? Did you miss that part in biology?

I give a lot of the credit to them women who can debate this topic on the "for" side and do so in such a way as to try an educate and enlighten others. You shouldn't be so quick to judge--b/c instead of opening minds as someone like Chobie and Totalia try to do--you are getting nowhere.

I don't protest abortion clinics--so thank you for that erroneous accusation on your part.

Have a nice day!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Second time today that you've cracked me up, minnie. Thank you. (don't ya love this guy?)

Incidentally, I can't answer for Lisa, but I most certainly do consider myself a compassionate Christian. Can't quite figure out what upset you about Lisa's post. (I'm pretty sure her "you" was "you" in a general sense. Apparently, though, you thought otherwise.)

Yes, YOU was general and not a specific statement toward minniepumpernickel. My apologies minnie if you thought I was speaking about you personally...I committed a debating faux pas.

 

[chobie]

My sentiments exactly. Our opinions may differ and I can't say what I would have done in her shoes, but do hope you feel better soon, Jenny.

Keep up with that insurance and check with your state reps/senators to help you on this.

Edited because I was wrong.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Okay, lets take a vote! Who considers Lisa and Kristy as being compassionate on this thread? Where are the rest of the Christians on here, they are being strangely silent.hmmm

I'll check back Monday.

You can check--but I bet this thread won't be here by Monday since you have just resorted to a personal attack.

 

[tiggersmom2]

I find the attempt to intimidate the bizarre part. Why not leave it up to their God to do the judging? I would not want a God that believed that moralizing, bullying, and harassing are positive actions. If he says thats okay, than I don't want any part of it!

Thats about all I can say. Just let your true conscience be your guide. Try not to bully or control others in the process. I bid you PEACE!

Great post Minnie......I don't agree with you a lot of the times but I'm totally behind you on this.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Okay, lets take a vote! Who considers Lisa and Kristy as being compassionate on this thread? Where are the rest of the Christians on here, they are being strangely silent.hmmm

I'll check back Monday.

If you are saying that I am not compassionate because I didn't tell someone they were right in having an abortion, I totally disagree. Quite honestly, I have no concern about your judge of my character. I really don't care what you think of me. I've seen you at your worst as well, so it would be wise to keep character judgements out of here. It's pretty obvious your feelings about compassion and mine are in two different worlds.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

You can check--but I bet this thread won't be here by Monday since you have just resorted to a personal attack.

No, you resorted to a personal attack when you used the term "you". It doesn't matter though, I'll be Christian about it and forgive you.

Thanks Tiggersmom2!

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Actually, you did say what you would do in her position:

"I can see where she would make the decision she did, however if I were in the situation, I can answer I would do things differently. The doctors did not tell her she would die. They said her life was at risk. Obviously, that would scare most people into choosing abortion.

Persoanlly, I would seek out the advice of a high risk perinatologist. I would take complications as they came and deal with them. I would hopefully be able to carry to 24-25 weeks and then deliver if need be. If there came a point, where my life was imminently in danger, then at that point, I would do what needed to be done to save my life, but only when I was in imminent danger."

Remember?

Nope, that was me, not Lisa.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

If you are saying that I am not compassionate because I didn't tell someone they were right in having an abortion, I totally disagree. Quite honestly, I have no concern about your judge of my character. I really don't care what you think of me. I've seen you at your worst as well, so it would be wise to keep character judgements out of here. It's pretty obvious your feelings about compassion and mine are in two different worlds.

I'm not judging your character, I just do not think that good, compassionate people should judge anyone for having an abortion. Or try to decide whether or not that is the right choice for someone.

If you want judgement, look to your peers. I do not consider myself one of them.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I'm not judging your character, I just do not think that good, compassionate people should judge anyone for having an abortion. Or try to decide whether or not that is the right choice for someone.

Ummm.....yes you did judge character by saying we were uncompassionate.

I do not consider myself one of them.

Well, at least we can agree on something!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Actually, you did say what you would do in her position:

"I can see where she would make the decision she did, however if I were in the situation, I can answer I would do things differently. The doctors did not tell her she would die. They said her life was at risk. Obviously, that would scare most people into choosing abortion.

Persoanlly, I would seek out the advice of a high risk perinatologist. I would take complications as they came and deal with them. I would hopefully be able to carry to 24-25 weeks and then deliver if need be. If there came a point, where my life was imminently in danger, then at that point, I would do what needed to be done to save my life, but only when I was in imminent danger."

Remember?

No I dont' as a matter of fact---this is what I said in THIS thread......I have been nothing but compassionate towards Jenny on this thread....I made NO judgement calls on her choice and have no idea where you found this quote.
Thank you for basically dragging my name through the mud. I really appreciate that.

This are what I said regarding Jenny that I could fine--even defended her when Totalia told her drunk driving and abortions weren't the same and replied that Jenny's doctor who was to do her abortion was involved in that car accident by a drunk driver.

I can offer this:


In your similar circumstance--after the consultations and counseling...I would probably be in the same boat as you. Sorry for what you are going through . We'll keep you in our prayers Jenny for a long life ahead.

Just read your website and posted on your message board. I did right "beautiful testimony"--and hate it when I say things without thinking....I did mean that the way that you wrote your story was wonderful and that you are such a beautiful person who handled the situation wonderfully--so sorry for the awkward post.

Minnie--YOu was not a personal attack...it was a misstatement and I have apologized.

I am a very open minded and compassionate individual and cannot believe how someone can turn a constructive debate here and elsewhere into a bash fest when that is not who I am nor what I do.

Thanks a lot guys!

It's been real, but I will no longer participate in any active discussions with you seeing as you can so easily turn my good nature into such hatred that I simply do not have.

ETA: You is general again--but it is towards those who fail to understand my side when I try pretty darn hard to understand your side.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

It's been real, but I will no longer participate in any active discussions with you seeing as you can so easily turn my good nature into such hatred that I simply do not have.

I think I had better go too, Lisa, or my mood will go the wrong way, too!!!

 

[chobie]

No I dont' as a matter of fact---this is what I said in THIS thread......I have been nothing but compassionate towards Jenny on this thread....I made NO judgement calls on her choice and have no idea where you found this quote.
Thank you for basically dragging my name through the mud. I really appreciate that.

This are what I said regarding Jenny that I could fine--even defended her when Totalia told her drunk driving and abortions weren't the same and replied that Jenny's doctor who was to do her abortion was involved in that car accident by a drunk driver.






Minnie--YOu was not a personal attack...it was a misstatement and I have apologized.

I am a very open minded and compassionate individual and cannot believe how someone can turn a constructive debate here and elsewhere into a bash fest when that is not who I am nor what I do.

Thanks a lot guys!

It's been real, but I will no longer participate in any active discussions with you seeing as you can so easily turn my good nature into such hatred that I simply do not have.

ETA: You is general again--but it is towards those who fail to understand my side when I try pretty darn hard to understand your side.

I'm sorry I attributed some one else's quote to you. I will edit it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm sorry I attributed some one else's quote to you. I will edit it.

Forgiven

Jenny--keep us updated on your progress....I'm curious to see if you succeed on the insurance angle. Your comment much earlier was interesting---that if the insurers can dispute medical necessity---that isn't good for patients in general. I'd still speak with your congresspersons/reps.

 

[MrsKreamer]

Wow. What I can never understand is some of the sentiment coming from some of the pro-choice people here. All we do is give our opinion and wam...we are uncompassionate, bomb-weilding protesters, judgmental, bible-thumping hypocrites. I am so sick of this. Just b/c I think abortion is wrong doesn't mean I am going to judge someone who needs one or gets one. I think Kristy and Lisa are very compassionate people. How can Kristy not be....she had 6 kids. That in itself is amazing to me! Lisa is very kind and generous of her time as well. I believe I read that she couseled pregnant girls. I am sure that many of you here have wonderful qualities. So please don't drag people down just b/c you disagree with them.

Kristy and Lisa, I am sorry if I over-stepped by speaking for you, I just respect you two a lot as well as many of the others who have posted here.