Hate to do this, but have a topic about abortion...

[simpilotswife]

Yes, I do, but thanks for asking. I also know cardiac arrest could happen any time, not just during pregnancy. I also know many women with cardiomyopathy have had healthy pregnancies.


Quite honestly, I don't think she is having to defend her situation. I posted that I understood why she made it, but that I felt it could be done differently, and would do differently myself. I never once called her a horrible person or callous or anything else. I never told her she was wrong. I don't think anyone here has told her she was wrong, have they?

I disagree. Look at the paragraph at the top. Basically you are saying that this particular condition is not a good enough reason since you know lots of women who have had babies with this problem. Tell me did those women have all of the other complications that Jenny has listed?

 

[simpilotswife]

Jenny I applaud the strength and determination you use to live your life on a daily basis. I hope that all goes well and that your doctor and his family recover from this tragedy.

 

[simpilotswife]

Wow! What a statement. Some of us who care about the unborn are also building orphanges in Honduras for the Already Born. What exactly does someone like you do for those that have already been born and are in need?

How about instead of giving them buildings where they can be neglected you adopt some of them and give them a loving home?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

How about instead of giving them buildings where they can be neglected you adopt some of them and give them a loving home?

So how many causes do you take up where you walk the walk literally?

 

[simpilotswife]

Lisa, I devote a lot of time to my causes. Sending money is one thing. Spending your time and energy is another. I am also not the person who is telling people what they should or should not do with their bodies.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Lisa, I devote a lot of time to my causes. Sending money is one thing. Spending your time and energy is another. I am also not the person who is telling people what they should or should not do with their bodies.

I wasn't really sure which thread this should go on... In the other thread people have talked baout the life of the mother,how is that determined etc.. Right now abortion in legal
Right now Tricare which is a government insurance is telling me my life is not at risk
I got my denial letter today and it says Tricare does not perform Abortions unless the life of the mother is at risk
3 doctors have now told tricare that my life is at risk
Apparently Tricare knows better
In this world where abotion is legal apparently the government and not the doctors get to decide when someone life is at risk
What happens if Roe V Wade is overturned?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa, I devote a lot of time to my causes. Sending money is one thing. Spending your time and energy is another. I am also not the person who is telling people what they should or should not do with their bodies.

Well--before the pot starts calling the kettle black.....I spend my time and energy on causes as well...they may not have to do with orphans and such--but it is for saving lives and I do more than just write a check .

 

[mom2rb]

GEM -


Something interesting that has come up in recent conversations with friends:
In Texas a woman MAY NOT have a tubal ligation unless she has given birth to two children. Talk about a reason to go out of state for something!!! But that's not all! If you have two children and want your tubes tied your HUSBAND has to give consent. If he says no, then you are stuck. If you are not married then you also can not have them tied because it isn't up to you. After your THIRD child you may choose to have them tied without your husband's consent. Scary, huh?

We already have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation, and some of the worst education and health care. We also have MILLIONS of uninsured people. I sure love paying for all those teenagers to have baby after baby! Then I love paying for their welfare! It's GREAT! But that's another topic. There must be SOME girls who recognize their inability to care for a child and they terminate. Not an easy choice, but a responsible one.

When I had my twins ( in Texas ), the doctor would not tie my tubes. They told me I had an 85% chance of having another set. When my DH made the appointment to get a vasectomy, I had to go with him. I brought my 6 month old twins with me. The doctor agreed to do it.

I will never understand the way most people that are against abortion are also against ways to not get pregnant.

 

[simpilotswife]

Well--before the pot starts calling the kettle black.....I spend my time and energy on causes as well...they may not have to do with orphans and such--but it is for saving lives and I do more than just write a check .

Great. So are you raising these children that you want to be born?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I will never understand the way most people that are against abortion are also against ways to not get pregnant.

against abortion and not against ways...I have a way to not get pregnant to use for myself..I only speak vocally to those within the RC religion about it. It's healthy and it works--if you aren't Catholic--you are free to prevent pregancy in whatever way works for you. If you are Catholic then understanding that the "other ways" to not get pregnant aren't church approved is important. Ultimately the decision is yours and between you, your hubby, and God.

My stance on the ways was not adopted until years after I formulated my opinions on abortion.

And I'm all for using drugs/meds as little as possible. I don't like the lack of spontanaity of some methods, the side effects of others, and having extra hormones in my body that aren't necessary.

My opinions are actually quite unique and in no way is one related to the other (with exception of the knowledge that I have on how some BCP's work--but without that knowledge....I was on the pill and didn't like it one bit!).


Edited b/c I negated my stance on abortion and that was a big OOPS! Corrected now.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Great. So are you raising these children that you want to be born?

NO I was simply commenting on your statement as you left out references to kids and I applied it in general to working for causes you believe in.

 

[simpilotswife]

Right now Tricare which is a government insurance is telling me my life is not at risk
I got my denial letter today and it says Tricare does not perform Abortions unless the life of the mother is at risk
3 doctors have now told tricare that my life is at risk
Apparently Tricare knows better

Jenny have you tried appealing to your state's insurance board? Most states have some type of independent review board for insurance decisions, does yours?

In this world where abotion is legal apparently the government and not the doctors get to decide when someone life is at risk
What happens if Roe V Wade is overturned?

Good question.

Has anyone stopped to wonder what that might mean to the contraceptive industry? Making abortion illegal might also impact the type of contraceptive choices that a woman has. For example, an IUD is an abortificant. If abortions were to become illegal would that mean that IUD's could not then be used? What about pharmaceutical contraceptives? Part of what makes them so successful is the nature of how they create an adverse environment for a zygote to implant. Would that preclude now their use because of their nature as an abortificant?

Overturning Roe vs. Wade could have greater repercussions than back alley abortion clinics and everyone should be concerned about whether this could affect other female reproductive choices.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Jenny have you tried appealing to your state's insurance board? Most states have some type of independent review board for insurance decisions, does yours?

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Oh my--I agree with simpilotswife!!!!!

Yes...Jenny, in your circumstance--or anybody who has any insurance claim rejected....file an appeal.

DD2, when she was born....we got dinged for an out of network physician for her when her regular on was on vacation and the backup had hospital privileges but not nursery privileges. We filed a dispute or whatever it was called and won. But at first, per protocol they had to say no b/c they took it at face value.

It's worth a shot after the fact--and as detailed as the docs can get on what makes your pregnancy life threatening, the better.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Oh believe me.I'm not done fighting..I've got copies of the denials from Tricare and I will get copies of all the documentation from all of the doctors who have said my life is very much at risk,and list of the various reasons why... I wondering though,what good would a state appeal be when my insurances are Medicare and Tricare,both federal government insurance plans

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh believe me.I'm not done fighting..I've got copies of the denials from Tricare and I will get copies of all the documentation from all of the doctors who have said my life is very much at risk,and list of the various reasons why... I wondering though,what good would a state appeal be when my insurances are Medicare and Tricare,both federal government insurance plans

I don't know about that...but my mom spent lots of time fighting the VA and it took a long time for her to get 100% disability....so I'm guessing the fight is within the insurance themselves. The appeal probably would be all with them--and since it is federal.....

And not that I agree that everyone should have medical coverage for an abortion--in this case....given that your life is very much at risk and essentially your insurers are sentencing you to death had you not the ability to pay for one yourself--it might be worth getting a c congressperson or representative to ally with---obviously easier if they are pro-choice in the matter...or even a pro-lifer with exceptions to his/her stance such as this.

For my daughter--all my appealing was directly with the insurance company. In a lot of cases--the insurance companies (based on what my carrier says--not that I know what others do)....really can't make a final assessment until after the claim for payment has been made. So just b/c you ask ahead of time and they tell you what the policies says--that interpretation does not mean they will or will not pay benefits. They even have a handy phone message when you call saying that it is not a guarantee of benefits when you ask about your coverage.

 

[CynJ]

I haven't read the entire thread - but I wanted to respond to the OP

Kudo to you for sticking by your friend. And for sticking to your personal beliefs.

It is horrible the way the anti-abortion crowd behaves in front of clinics. I had to go to a woman's healthcare clinic a few years ago (didn't have insurance and this was the only place I could afford) for a d/c after a miscarriage. I was already not in a good mood when I got there - then had to deal with the protesters screaming at me that I was going to hell and that I was a murderer. Never being one to take being screamed at very well - I sort of exploded back - and explained the concept (rather loudly) that not every woman walking in the door of this clinic was there for an abortion and since when is having a miscarriage murder, or getting a pap smear, or a breast exam? I was just livid.

I felt so bad for this other woman in the waiting room - she was 5 months along and was there for a pre-natal checkup - they scared her so badly outside that she fainted.

This clinic provided low cost healthcare to women -women who might not otherwise have had annual checkups, papsmears, breast exams, birth control, ect. And yes they provided abortions as an option but it wasn't their sole business.

I can appreciate those that feel abortion is wrong - and I will staunchly defend their right to that opinion. But when "feeding frenzies" occur outside clinics, and doctors have their home addresses and pictures of their families posted on the internet with bloody knives, and clinics are bombed, and women's license plates are photographed in clinic parking lots and they are then harrassed at home - I think its gone way beyond people just feeling that abortion is wrong. Its terrorism by any other name.

Abortion was made legal by people working within the system, if anti-abortion folks want to change the laws then they need to also work within the system.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I haven't read the entire thread - but I wanted to respond to the OP

Kudo to you for sticking by your friend. And for sticking to your personal beliefs.

It is horrible the way the anti-abortion crowd behaves in front of clinics. I had to go to a woman's healthcare clinic a few years ago (didn't have insurance and this was the only place I could afford) for a d/c after a miscarriage. I was already not in a good mood when I got there - then had to deal with the protesters screaming at me that I was going to hell and that I was a murderer. Never being one to take being screamed at very well - I sort of exploded back - and explained the concept (rather loudly) that not every woman walking in the door of this clinic was there for an abortion and since when is having a miscarriage murder, or getting a pap smear, or a breast exam? I was just livid.

I felt so bad for this other woman in the waiting room - she was 5 months along and was there for a pre-natal checkup - they scared her so badly outside that she fainted.

This clinic provided low cost healthcare to women -women who might not otherwise have had annual checkups, papsmears, breast exams, birth control, ect. And yes they provided abortions as an option but it wasn't their sole business.

I can appreciate those that feel abortion is wrong - and I will staunchly defend their right to that opinion. But when "feeding frenzies" occur outside clinics, and doctors have their home addresses and pictures of their families posted on the internet with bloody knives, and clinics are bombed, and women's license plates are photographed in clinic parking lots and they are then harrassed at home - I think its gone way beyond people just feeling that abortion is wrong. Its terrorism by any other name.

Abortion was made legal by people working within the system, if anti-abortion folks want to change the laws then they need to also work within the system.

Excellent post CynJ

 

[JennyMominRI]

I don't know about that...but my mom spent lots of time fighting the VA and it took a long time for her to get 100% disability....so I'm guessing the fight is within the insurance themselves. The appeal probably would be all with them--and since it is federal.....

I am considered 100% Permanently and Totally Disabled by the VA..Istarted out at 30% years ago and got to 100 % after the mini-strokes and Cardiomyopathy..It took almost a year for me to get the 100% rating from them..The good thing is,the social worker who helped me deal with the VA is also helping me deal with my insurances..She knows the system,and if anyone can get me what I should,it's her

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

Hmm. If I needed an abortion and I was going to go to hell for murder ANYWAY, what would stop me from taking out a few protesters for good measure?

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Okay, here's a question for those of you who support abortion rights, but get so angry at protesters carrying pictures of aborted fetuses. I'm sure it won't be taken this way, but it really is a sincere question.

Why does it bother you so much that these pictures are displayed? I mean, those are pictures of what an abortion does. That's a fact. Now, I'm not talking about the people yelling murderer, bombing abortion clinics, etc.because I think most will agree that those types of protesting is way wrong. I just honestly don't understand the stance of "I support abortion choice, just don't let me see the reality of it", which is what I feel you are saying if you object to those pictures.