Hate to do this, but have a topic about abortion...

[JennyMominRI]

Just wanted to commend Jenny for maintaining a very respectful attitude while answering questions, especially those that have suggested that she is less than moral and less than responsible. Not sure I would keep such a cool head.

It says alot about your character Jenny, I admire that.

Thanks Pooh...I'm calm because I know I made the decisions in conjunction with my doctors(multiple doctors recommendations).
It took a very long time to get the Cardiomyopathy under control..It took several meds ,digoxin, lasex and then onto the combo I take now...When my heart was so unstable no one was willing to risk surgery...There were actually a couple of years there where we just abstained period.

Edited for spelling

 

[poohandwendy]

Thanks Pooh...I'm calm because I know I made the decisions in conjunction with my doctors(multiple doctors reccomendations).

As you and all of us should. I think people just do not realize that there are actual reasons you are in the place you are today. Reasons other than a flagrant disregard for responsibility. Sheesh people, walk a mile in her shoes and tell me how it went....

 

[CEDmom]

For starters, she should start praying for those unwanted babies she champions. But then again, people who piously state that they are concerned for the Unborn rarely, in my vast experience, focus a lot of attention on the Already Born.

I have to agree with you on this. I probably shouldn't have posted what I did because it's not going to change anything but when I see posts like that I go .

BTW, how's the snow down your way? It's not sticking here yet but it's coming down hard.

 

[noodleknitter]

For starters, she should start praying for those unwanted babies she champions. But then again, people who piously state that they are concerned for the Unborn rarely, in my vast experience, focus a lot of attention on the Already Born.

Wow! What a statement. Some of us who care about the unborn are also building orphanges in Honduras for the Already Born. What exactly does someone like you do for those that have already been born and are in need?

 

[JennyMominRI]

Wow! What a statement. Some of us who care about the unborn are also building orphanges in Honduras for the Already Born.

Awesome..That's really cool

 

[noodleknitter]

Awesome..That's really cool

Thank you. I have to say that you have dealt with this discussion with a calmness, I couldn't manage when I read that statement by snoopy. I do champion mama's too! I can't imagine your hardship, and I have problems with people setting themselves as judges of others. I was just really offended by such a generalization.

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

GEM -
You go, girl! The situation you describe is the very situation I think abortion is appropriate for!

I get Depo-Provera injections. I have been getting them for years. If for some FREAKY reason I DID ovulate and DID get pregnant I would absolutely abort. Would I feel remorseful? Yes, remorseful that my shot failed! The failure rate is less than 1%, but apparently it can happen. If abortions were illegal I could go to Mexico for one, but YIKES! How safe would that be? And carrying the child to term would NOT be a valid option. It would wreck every other aspect of my life! Nope. Desperate times call for desperate measures and that would definitely qualify as desperate.

Something interesting that has come up in recent conversations with friends:
In Texas a woman MAY NOT have a tubal ligation unless she has given birth to two children. Talk about a reason to go out of state for something!!! But that's not all! If you have two children and want your tubes tied your HUSBAND has to give consent. If he says no, then you are stuck. If you are not married then you also can not have them tied because it isn't up to you. After your THIRD child you may choose to have them tied without your husband's consent. Scary, huh?

We already have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation, and some of the worst education and health care. We also have MILLIONS of uninsured people. I sure love paying for all those teenagers to have baby after baby! Then I love paying for their welfare! It's GREAT! But that's another topic. There must be SOME girls who recognize their inability to care for a child and they terminate. Not an easy choice, but a responsible one.

 

[goofygirl]

I just wanted to stress this to all prochoicers out there:

1. Know who your Senator and Congressperson is (at BOTH state federal levels)

2.Know if they are prochoice. (you can find out by going to the Planned Parenthood site, or other women's rights sites like NARAL, or to the legislator's site)

3. and finally: VOTE for them.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Thank you. I have to say that you have dealt with this discussion with a calmness, I couldn't manage when I read that statement by snoopy. I do champion mama's too! I can't imagine your hardship, and I have problems with people setting themselves as judges of others. I was just really offended by such a generalization.

Good,I was afraid you might think I was being sarcastic. I understand..I was raised Catholic.. I watched many pro-lifers put their money where there mouth is.. Some did,some didn't as is true with any group pf people.
I don't think harsh or judgmental statements on either side(the whole abortion issue,not my specific case) help anyones cause,and I feel they only help to foster stereotypes .

 

[LoraJ]

Wow! What a statement. Some of us who care about the unborn are also building orphanges in Honduras for the Already Born. What exactly does someone like you do for those that have already been born and are in need?

I vote for politicians who make sure that these children get the proper health care and education.
I donate money when I can.

And when I am ready for it, I will probably adopt a child.

 

[CEDmom]

Wow! What a statement. Some of us who care about the unborn are also building orphanges in Honduras for the Already Born. What exactly does someone like you do for those that have already been born and are in need?

That's wonderful and I commend you for taking productive action to help the most innocent in this world. Although I support a woman's right to choose I also support the orphanages and foster care program in China without which I wouldn't have my beautiful DD. And while my DH and I were given a precious gift because a woman chose to continue her pregnancy I still respect the fact that this decision is not always the right one in every situation. None of us can presume to imagine what someone making this decision goes through.

 

[totalia]

I just want to jump in here for a minute. For a lot of reasons, this is also an extremely personal topic for me. As you probably know, I'm very pro-choice.

I have a 22 month old who is the absolute light of my life, and I also would love to have another baby some day. However, I can tell you right now, witout any hesitation, that if I got pregnant and my doctor told me that my life was in very serious danger if I continued the pregnancy, or even that it might be or likely would be, I would be on the phone scheduling my abortion that afternoon. There is no way I would risk leaving Paul without a mother, risk not seeing him grow up, seeing what kind of person he becomes, etc. And, yes, I know that any pregnancy is a risk to some degree - but in a normal situation the risks are pretty minimal. If I believed that the risk of my death was great, there wouldn't even be a decision to be made. I hope I never find myself in that situation, but if I did, I'd do exactly what Jenny is doing. My responsibility to my child trumps my responsibility to an unborn embryo/fetus/clump of cells - whatever you want to call it - because I don't think it's a baby at that point.

Jenny, I'm sorry your in this situation - and I'm sorry you have to defend your position. I also admire your ability to do so without becoming frustrated and hostile.

Exactly. I had a friend almost die from cancer. It was save her life to have another baby another day, or they would both die.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I know some people saw me mention that my Doctor had a horrible accident.. Well I have a coulple news articles that I can email if anyone wants them..I don't want to post them.
There were 8 people in the vav,many of them chidren..They were hit by a drunk driver who was driving on the wrong side of the road.. She was arrested for drunk driving 2 weeks earlier and released..My doctors neice,a 13 year old girl was kill..My doctor has injuries and his son is in critical condition..If you are the praying sort,please keep these people in your thoughts

 

[snoopy]

Wow! What a statement. Some of us who care about the unborn are also building orphanges in Honduras for the Already Born. What exactly does someone like you do for those that have already been born and are in need?

I'm pro choice. I'm not interested in controlling the destiny of other women. The only uterus I'm interested in regulating is my own. My stance is that women should always have the final say when it comes to their reproductive system. I'm actively involved in the pro choice movement, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I have counseled young women over the years and have worked as a volunteer for Planned Parenthood.

Since you claim you are a champion for the Unborn, then I feel its your responsibility to also put your money where your mouth is. Which by your post, it looks as though you are doing. I think you are in a minority though. So many scream about the rights of the Unborn, but I don't see them opening their homes to these crack-addicted, unwanted children.
They righteously turn their noses up at the "bad girls" who have abortions, and then sneak their own daughters into the clinics after dark because their daughters are "different from" the classless "bad girls" they rail against. They only oppose abortion when its not their wife//sister/daughter who will die without one. Their fake piety is disgusting. These are the same people who say they are o.k. with teenagers dying from dirty coat hangers. All the while framing the issue of abortion in phony terms like "moral courage". When they wouldn't know moral courage if it jumped up and bit them in the face.

However, I have known others like you who are opposed to abortion and are actively seeking solutions. The parish in which I grew up is a great example. They are out there counseling young women who are pregnant, giving them options without trying to scare them to death, providing them with real, tangible necessities like diapers and medical care. They also are huge in community outreach -- working with the unwanted children of this country to find them a loving environment and meaningfully contributing to making these unwanted children's life a little brighter. Those people are to be respected and revered. Anything else is hypocricy.

 

[totalia]

I know some people saw me mention that my Doctor had a horrible accident.. Well I have a coulple news articles that I can email if anyone wants them..I don't want to post them.
There were 8 people in the vav,many of them chidren..They were hit by a drunk driver who was driving on the wrong side of the road.. She was arrested for drunk driving 2 weeks earlier and released..My doctors neice,a 13 year old girl was kill..My doctor has injuries and his son is in critical condition..If you are the praying sort,please keep these people in your thoughts

I know the feeling but drunk driving is another topic altogether from this one.

I lost 2 family members and very nearly a third in October of 1998 to a drunk driver when his car spun out of control and a metal pole went through the back of the car spearing my family straight through. Two died, one lived though with alot of pain and suffering (my sister now walks and has a baby boy and we were told she never have been able to do either because of that pole).

I lost an uncle 5 months later to drunk driving when his best friend (who was driving the car) crashed head on into a police cruiser in another country.

I think the drivers should both go to prisoner for 2nd degree murder.

But that isn't abortion now is it?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I know the feeling but drunk driving is another topic altogether from this one.

I lost 2 family members and very nearly a third in October of 1998 to a drunk driver when his car spun out of control and a metal pole went through the back of the car spearing my family straight through. Two died, one lived though with alot of pain and suffering (my sister now walks and has a baby boy and we were told she never have been able to do either because of that pole).

I lost an uncle 5 months later to drunk driving when his best friend (who was driving the car) crashed head on into a police cruiser in another country.

I think the drivers should both go to prisoner for 2nd degree murder.

But that isn't abortion now is it?

Jenny commented earlier that she was scheduled for an abortion yesterday but it was cancelled b/c the doctor to do it was the one in the accident who lost his niece. She must now wait for it to be rescheduled.

I'm not sure that you knew that and while I disagree with abortion...I think you did not know the reason she posted for prayers on that. She wasn't relating the two. She was adding a prayer request to what she mentioned earlier.

Jenny--I know you can speak for yourself...but felt compelled to speak.

 

[JennyMominRI]

No problem

 

[jackskellingtonsgirl]

Oh, my!

I heard about this on the news but didn't make the connection! They were on the way to the airport and the drunk girl hit the van! So sad and senseless! Everyone remember to buckle up on the way to and from the airport!! (And everywhere else, for that matter.)

Jenny,
I hope your doctor is recovering. How horrible for the family! And I hope you are hanging in there!

 

[JennyMominRI]

The woman was busted for drunk driving 2 weeks ago and was released.. MY doc is injured but Ok..His niece is dead,his son is in critical condition and his wife is still hospitalized....I hope they lock that women up for life.She killed a 13 yo girl

 

[Planogirl]

I saw news about this wreck on CNN. Such a sad, sad situation.

I want to thank you Jenny for being so open. I also appreciate everyone else who has spoken of their experiences. I personally feel like I've learned a lot from this thread.