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Following is a list of the worlds worst dictators. Why doesn't the US liberate these people and give them freedom and democracy?

The World's 10 Worst Dictators

By David Wallechinsky
Published: February 13, 2005

The past year was a good one for dictators—unfortunately. None of the most serious offenders lost his job. Competition for the Top 10 Worst of the Worst was so heated that two dictators who made last year’s list were nudged off—Fidel Castro of Cuba and King Mswati III of Swaziland—even though their actions were as harsh as the year before. (See “Dishonorable Mentions” below.)

The following list has been prepared after consultation with Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, Amnesty International and Reporters Without Borders—human-rights groups that have not hesitated to expose the policies of dictatorships on both the left and the right.

1. Omar al-Bashir, Sudan.
Age 61. In power since 1989.
Last year’s rank: 7

A colossal humanitarian tragedy in western Sudan’s Darfur region has uprooted 2 million people and killed 70,000, mostly through the activities of government-supported militias. This is nothing new in Sudan, where Omar al-Bashir, its dictator, has engaged in ethnic and religious persecution since seizing power in a military coup. Sudan has 6 million internally displaced persons—more than any other nation. In southern Sudan, where Christianity and traditional religions are practiced, Bashir tried to impose Islamic law in a campaign that included aerial bombing of villages and enslavement of women and children. His forces met with armed resistance, escalating to what some called a civil war between Muslims and Christians. (In Darfur, meanwhile, he has been killing Muslims.) Last month, Bashir signed a cease-fire with rebels in the south. It allows government troops to remain in southern Sudan and prohibits southerners from voting for independence for six years.

2. Kim Jong Il, North Korea.
Age 62. In power since 1994.
Last year’s rank: 1

Kim Jong Il slipped from first place, but not for want of trying. North Korea still ranks last in Reporters Without Borders’ international index of press freedom, and it earned Freedom House’s worst score for political rights and civil liberties for the 33rd straight year (a world record). The Ministry of People’s Security places spies in workplaces and neighborhoods to inform on anyone who criticizes the regime, even at home. All radios and TV sets are fixed to receive only government stations. Disloyalty to Kim Jong Il and his late father, Kim Il Sung, is a punishable crime: Offenses include allowing pictures of either leader to gather dust or be torn or folded. The population is divided into “loyalty groups.” One-third belong to the “hostile class.” These people receive the worst jobs and housing and may not live in the capital, Pyongyang. Below the hostiles are the estimated 250,000 held in prison camps, some for crimes allegedly committed by relatives. Executions often are performed in public.

3. Than Shwe, Burma.
Age 72. In power since 1992.
Last year’s rank: 2

In response to world opinion, Gen. Than Shwe freed 9000 prisoners, but hopes for a new liberalism faded when only 40 were political detainees (among more than 1000 still being held). The rest were common criminals. Than Shwe extended the house arrest of Nobel Peace Prize-winner Aung San Suu Kyi, whose party won 80% of the vote in the last open election (1990). The arrest of opposition members resumed. Freedom of expression is not allowed; unlicensed possession of a fax machine or modem is punishable by 15 years in prison. To relocate ethnic minorities, the army destroyed 3000 villages and drove 1.2 million Burmese from their homes. In a landmark case, Unocal Corp. of California agreed to pay damages to Burmese villagers who said the military used torture, rape or murder to force them to work on the company’s pipeline.

4. Hu Jintao, China.
Age 62. In power since 2002.
Last year’s rank: 3

Despite China’s economic liberalization, President Hu Jintao’s government remains one of the most repressive. Some 250,000 Chinese are serving sentences in “re-education and labor camps.” China executes more people than all other nations combined, often for nonviolent crimes. The death penalty can be given for burglary, embezzlement, counterfeiting, bribery or killing a panda. Hu’s government controls all media and Internet use. Defense lawyers who argue too vigorously for clients’ rights may be disbarred or imprisoned. And if minorities (such as Tibetans) speak out for autonomy, they’re labeled “terrorists,” imprisoned and tortured.

5. Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia.
Age 81. In power since 1995.
Last year’s rank: 5

Bending under strong international pressure, Crown Prince Abdullah and his family, who have absolute power, are holding Saudi Arabia’s first elections in 40 years—municipal elections, that is. Women may not vote or run for office, owing to “technical difficulties”: Most Saudi women don’t have the photo IDs needed to register; there aren’t enough female officials to register those who do; and men may not register women, because the sexes are forbidden to mingle in public. Worldwide, the royal family promotes an extreme form of Islam called Wahhabism, which considers all followers of other religions—even other Muslims—“infidels.” In 2004, the U.S. State Department added Saudi Arabia to its list of nations in which religious liberty is severely violated.

6. Muammar al-Qaddafi, Libya.
Age 62. In power since 1969.
Last year’s rank:
Dishonorable mention

Increasingly annoyed by other Arab leaders, Qaddafi—once considered a supporter of terrorism —has gone to great lengths to re-establish links with the West. He turned over a perpetrator of the 1988 terrorist bombing of an American commercial flight over Lockerbie, Scotland, and made substantial payments to families of the victims of both the Lockerbie bombing and that of a French plane. He gave up his nuclear weapons program and is opening his nation’s economy to foreign investment. Yet at home he continues to run a brutal dictatorship, maintaining total control over all aspects of Libyan life. Freedom of speech, assembly and religion are harshly restricted. Entire families, tribes and even towns can be punished for “collective guilt.” Political opposition and damaging public or private property are considered “crimes against the state.”

7. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan.
Age 61. In power since 1999.
Last year’s rank: Not mentioned

Two years after seizing power in a military coup that overthrew an elected government, Gen. Pervez Musharraf appointed himself president of Pakistan. He recently agreed to step down as head of the military, then reversed his decision, claiming that he was best suited to unite Pakistan’s contentious political and military elements. “The country is more important than democracy,” he said. Pakistan has endangered the world by spreading nuclear technology. Last year, it was discovered that Abdul Qadeer Khan, head of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, had been selling nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran. As for civil liberties in Pakistan, a woman who has been raped may present her case only if she can produce four Muslim men who witnessed the attack.

8. Saparmurat Niyazov, Turkmenistan.
Age 64. In power since 1990.
Last year’s rank: 8

Niyazov has developed an overbearing personality cult that crushes dissent and invades all aspects of life in Turkmenistan, no matter how trivial. He controls his one-party state with torture, disappearances, detentions, house demolitions, forced labor and exile. He muzzles all media, and it is illegal to criticize any of his policies. Statues of Niyazov appear everywhere, and his picture is on all denominations of money. His “moral guide,” Rukhnama (Book of the Soul), is required reading for students, married couples and even applicants for a driver’s license. Female newscasters may not wear makeup, nor may young men wear beards, long hair or gold teeth.

9. Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe.
Age 80. In power since 1980.
Last year’s rank: 4

After leading an anti-colonial war of liberation, Mugabe was elected Zimbabwe’s first prime minister, raising hopes for a new era of democracy. But he has turned increasingly dictatorial and run his country into the ground. Average life expectancy in Zimbabwe is 33 years—among the lowest in the world. One of Mugabe’s many repressive laws deems it a crime “to make an abusive, indecent or obscene statement” about him. He continues to hold elections, but opposition is discouraged. Looking toward a vote in March, the parliament passed a law banning from Zimbabwe any human-rights or civil-liberties group that receives money from abroad. In other words, independent election monitors will not be allowed.

10. Teodoro Obiang Nguema,
Equatorial Guinea. Age 62.
In power since 1979. Last year’s rank: 6

Since major oil reserves were discovered there in 1995, U.S. oil companies have poured $5 billion into this tiny West African nation. Most of the oil income goes to President Obiang and his family, while the majority of the people live on less than $1 a day. Some American oil companies are being investigated for improprieties involving Obiang. The U.S. State Department has accused Obiang’s government of committing torture. In November, 20 people—including 11 foreign nationals —were sentenced to prison for an alleged coup attempt. The only evidence against them, says Amnesty International, were confessions extracted through torture.

Contributing Editor David Wallechinsky has reported on international figures for PARADE, including an interview with Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi. His next book will be “Tyrants: The World’s 20 Worst Living Dictators.”
 
DawnCt1 said:
What an absolutely ludicrous statement. One couldn't make this up! To compare the advances of Judeao Christian Western societies to the one that the Islamo Fascists, a la Taliban, have offerred up is no less than bizarre! You can't be serious! Yeah, the do hate our freedoms. They hate open societies, and you know what, they would even hate you despite your need to defend them. Amazing!

You don't let out any opportunity to post absolute rubbish, do you?

Advances of christian societies? like in the dark medieval times when people ended on a pyre for believing the 'wrong' things?
 
The "They hate our freedom" talking points. Spoon fed to the gullible neo-cons who obediently lap it up.

Please tell us how the terrorist are going to take our freedom?

Perhaps they plan on a mass invasion of the continental US, storming Washington, DC and installing an Islamic fundamentalist government. The only freedoms I've lost has been usurped by Bu$h and his gang not OBL or SH.

Islamic fundamentalist motivation for waging Jihad is not unlike what the Bu$h administration pushes on it's base...revenge. It was Bu$h after all that has said "Bring 'em on" and "wanted dead or alive"

There are of course other motivaters on both sides not the least of which is oil, expelling infidel invaders, religious duty and "liberation" of Muslim holy sites.


God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.
Osama bin Laden
Admitting responsibility for attacks on US on September 11, 2001, on videotape shown on Al Jazeera, October 29, 2004
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To kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque [Jerusalem] and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.
Osama bin Laden
In Fatwa entitled Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders World Islamic Front Statement, February 28, 1998
 

Viking said:
You don't let out any opportunity to post absolute rubbish, do you?

Advances of christian societies? like in the dark medieval times when people ended on a pyre for believing the 'wrong' things?

Are we IN the Dark Ages!!!??? Have you notice which societies and cultures are STILL in the Dark Ages? It isn't the Christian Judeo ones. So exactly what "rubbish" are you talking about?
 
Lebjwb said:
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To kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque [Jerusalem] and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.
Osama bin Laden
In Fatwa entitled Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders World Islamic Front Statement, February 28, 1998


Are you describing OBL as a "freedom fighter" now?? That's priceless. :rolleyes:
 
Lebjwb said:
Following is a list of the worlds worst dictators. Why doesn't the US liberate these people and give them freedom and democracy?

Unlike Iraq, some of the dictators/countries listed actually have weapons of mass destruction and a military force. At this point in time, with the way the world looks at the Bu$h administration, we'd be in deep doo doo if he even blinked in their direction. With the way the US military is stretched, there's no way Bu$h could stand up to a nation that is ready and willing to "bring it on!" What other explanation is there? Surely their liberation and freedom is just as important and desirable as the people's of Iraq? :confused3
 
I might have missed something...followed links to Brigette Gabriel and read about her experiences and her activism. I don't see anything hateful; I think anyone who's lived through those conditions has a right to talk about it and share his or her opinions.

We just can't wage war against the spread of militant Islam though. Iraq had a very unique (and long) set of characteristics - I don't like to see it used by the left pushing the idea that every reason behind it was fabricated, and I don't like seeing it used by the right for purposes of promoting Christianity vs. Islam and calls for the middle east to be redesigned. Militant Islam exists just about everywhere, and is going to attack whatever is in its way using whatever justifications are handy - it is what it is. But I'm not prepared to blame all of Islam for it.
 
DawnCt1 said:
Are you describing OBL as a "freedom fighter" now?? That's priceless. :rolleyes:

Don't be ridiculous! And don't put words in my mouth.
 
DawnCt1 said:
Are you describing OBL as a "freedom fighter" now?? That's priceless. :rolleyes:
At least Rumsfeld considered him as a freedom fighter when he sponsored him to fight against the Russian in Afghanistan :confused3
BTW, I'm talking of the same guy who considered Saddam as an ally against the Mullah-regime in Iran in the 80ies :rolleyes:
 
Viking said:
At least Rumsfeld considered him as a freedom fighter when he sponsored him to fight against the Russian in Afghanistan :confused3
BTW, I'm talking of the same guy who considered Saddam as an ally against the Mullah-regime in Iran in the 80ies :rolleyes:

You mean this guy?:

rumsfeld_saddam.jpg
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Dead terrorists are safer for us than live ones. That wasn't so hard, was it? :rolleyes:

Telll that the families of the nearly 2000 KIA GIs :rolleyes:
I'm sure that before the fifth anniversary of 9/11 the deathtoll of American troops in that harebrained war will have exceeded that of 9/11 - with OBL still at large.
 
Viking said:
Telll that the families of the nearly 2000 KIA GIs :rolleyes:
I'm sure that before the fifth anniversary of 9/11 the deathtoll of American troops in that harebrained war will have exceeded that of 9/11 - with OBL still at large.

"Harebrained" to cowardly old Europe and those who grabbed up Saddam's bribe money.

Most families are proud of their sons and daughters who fought and died for freedom in Iraq. Capturing OBL is no cure against terrorism. Tough, consistent, and long world unity against all terrorists and their supporters is the best cure, but too many think it's someone else's problem or if we are nice to the terrorists then maybe they will go away.
 
Viking said:
Advances of christian societies? like in the dark medieval times when people ended on a pyre for believing the 'wrong' things?

Yeah, just like that, but substitute end of a barrrel for pyre.
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
"Harebrained" to cowardly old Europe and those who grabbed up Saddam's bribe money.

Most families are proud of their sons and daughters who fought and died for freedom in Iraq. Capturing OBL is no cure against terrorism. Tough, consistent, and long world unity against all terrorists and their supporters is the best cure, but too many think it's someone else's problem or if we are nice to the terrorists then maybe they will go away.

At least we didn't support Saddam and OBL with money like the Reagan-administration did.
Do you really believe the crap you're posting? i.e. freedom in Iraq, War on terror, WMD in Iraq :confused3 need any more proof for 'harebrained' :teeth:
BTW, even a majority in the USA has meanwhile discovered that this war stinks.
 
Viking said:
At least we didn't support Saddam and OBL with money like the Reagan-administration did.
Do you really believe the crap you're posting? i.e. freedom in Iraq, War on terror, WMD in Iraq :confused3 need any more proof for 'harebrained' :teeth:
BTW, even a majority in the USA has meanwhile discovered that this war stinks.

If you don't agree with posters, you call their posts "crap" or "rubbish." Big deal.

Yes, I believe the USA and our many brave allies are doing the right thing in the war on terror.
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
If you don't agree with posters, you call their posts "crap" or "rubbish." Big deal.

Yes, I believe the USA and our many brave allies are doing the right thing in the war on terror.

What a coincidence: Even GOP Senators don't believe those fairy tales any more:


WASHINGTON - A leading Republican senator and prospective presidential candidate said Sunday that the war in Iraq has destabilized the Middle East and is looking more like the Vietnam conflict from a generation ago.



Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record), who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam, reiterated his position that the United States needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq.

Hagel scoffed at the idea that U.S. troops could be in Iraq four years from now at levels above 100,000, a contingency for which the Pentagon is preparing.

"We should start figuring out how we get out of there," Hagel said on "This Week" on ABC. "But with this understanding, we cannot leave a vacuum that further destabilizes the Middle East. I think our involvement there has destabilized the Middle East. And the longer we stay there, I think the further destabilization will occur."

Hagel said "stay the course" is not a policy. "By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning," he said.


Freshly copied from YAHOO
 
Facts not wishful thinking...

#1-9/11 hijackers Saudi nationals not Iraqi
#2-Planner of 9/11 Osama a Saudi national not an Iraqi
#3-Support for and training facilities provided by Afghanistan/Taliban not Iraq/Saddam
#4-US response to 9/11 targets Afghanistan and AQ and removes Taliban as support for AQ
#5-No commission/congressional report supports anything but a 1-time meeting on a most casual level with anyone from AQ and an Iraqi. Conclusion no connection between Iraq and 9/11
#6-Iraq has no delivery system of greater than 600 mile range; therefore, cannot reach mainland USA
#7-Other than blustering from Saddam no physical evidence of WMD.
#8-No weapons of anykind from Iraq supplied to AQ or Hamas or Hezballah, etc.

So how was Iraq as outlined in Bush speech in 2002 and Cheney's many speechs an imminent threat to mainland USA. Did Saddam plan on launching a sea/air borne invasion since no long-range missiles? Invading Iraq to support regime change and nation building is and always be a failed policy.

If we sent a time-table for withdrawal one of two things will happend:
1) Insurgents go underground to await our leaving. This will quiet things down in Iraq allowing for rebuilding infrastructure, training of Iraq security forces in a quiet environment and political changes can go forward including elections without intimidation.
OR
2) Insurgents continue attacks.

#1 is what 'we' want so it seems that withdrawall will actual accomplish the USA goals.

#2 is no different from current situation except that Iraqi's will have a deadline by which they will need to gear up to take over and secure themselves from the insurgents and our troops will have a definite date when they will return home to our thanks.

Refute any of the above with facts not 'suppositions and wishfull thinking'.
 


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