"Hate Speech" or the Truth?

[DawnCt1]

Dawn, the site you cite reminds me of the fear induced activities my mother put me through during the Cuban missle crisis. we shopped for a bomb shelter and stored fresh water every 30 days as well as having metal and sealable cans of food stored and hopefully safe to eat. I was timed running home from school with my brother who had to be bribed with food to run, lol. My mother has apologized for putting us through this fear as she is aware now that there are certain things we are just not in control of. The articles on this page are by individuals with their own opinions and views of what is happening around the world and here in the USA. I place about as much weight on their opinions are I do yours. In short, please quit pushing your fear and hate of others on me. It's not pleasant and I'm never going to think the way you do. I'm certain ALL DISers have their own opinions of the world around them. Yours is no more important that theirs although you seem to think you have the corner on knowledge and wisdom. Keep coming back but know that many of us here do not take you at all seriously.

Your 'mother put you through during the Cuban missile crisis?" I can recall attending public school in East Hartford, Ct. and having to practice air raid drills. We went into the hall during the air raid and pressed our faces up against th concrete wall. Like that would have been useful. The threat was real then. The threat is real now. I have't read the entire site. I have only read Gabrielle's article since I heard her on WTIC am in Hartford. I felt that the interview was certainly timely and informative. As far as me pushing my "views" on you? You don't have to read them, do you? You have your perspective, I have mine. I happen to think that yours is naive and shortsighted. Is that where the moniker "shortbun" comes from?

 

[shortbun]

Your 'mother put you through during the Cuban missile crisis?" I can recall attending public school in East Hartford, Ct. and having to practice air raid drills. We went into the hall during the air raid and pressed our faces up against th concrete wall. Like that would have been useful. The threat was real then. The threat is real now. I have't read the entire site. I have only read Gabrielle's article since I heard her on WTIC am in Hartford. I felt that the interview was certainly timely and informative. As far as me pushing my "views" on you? You don't have to read them, do you? You have your perspective, I have mine. I happen to think that yours is naive and shortsighted. Is that where the moniker "shortbun" comes from?

*I* am shortsighted?!? Pot..meet kettle. As far as reading your posts, I read them mostly for entertainment and that's why I'm not disappointed you are still here. I actually smile while opening your posts because I know I'm in for some real fun. "The threat is real now" indeed! I think we speak of different threats but it IS INDEED real. ciao!

p.s. my "moniker" has nothing to do with short-infact it has to do with "long" and that's all I'm sayin'.

 

[ThAnswr]

I meant to indicate that Saudi citizen ARE subject to a repressive government. The "aren't" was a typo.

Here's where you're going wrong with the War on Terror. Radical Islamic fundamentalists are not fighting for democracy. They're fighting to replace whatever government they have with a theocracy governed by their narrow view of Islam.

If the Saudi royal family were to be toppled tomorrow by Al-Qaeda, the new Saudi Arabia would be just as repressive as the old Saudi Arabia.

 

[ThAnswr]

Your 'mother put you through during the Cuban missile crisis?" I can recall attending public school in East Hartford, Ct. and having to practice air raid drills. We went into the hall during the air raid and pressed our faces up against th concrete wall. Like that would have been useful. The threat was real then. The threat is real now. I have't read the entire site. I have only read Gabrielle's article since I heard her on WTIC am in Hartford. I felt that the interview was certainly timely and informative. As far as me pushing my "views" on you? You don't have to read them, do you? You have your perspective, I have mine. I happen to think that yours is naive and shortsighted. Is that where the moniker "shortbun" comes from?

You can't seriously be comparing the threat of the old Soviet Union, which was capable of wiping us off the map in under 30 minutes with Al-Qaeda? I realize it's tempting, and self-serving, to see Al-Qaeda as a threat to civilization and the War on Terror as WWIII, but the fact is the enemy is still a rag tag bunch of fanatics holed up in the mountains somewhere. They're capable of damage, but even with today's bombings in the UK, the attacks don't come anywhere near what was experienced during the Blitz.

 

[DawnCt1]

You can't seriously be comparing the threat of the old Soviet Union, which was capable of wiping us off the map in under 30 minutes with Al-Qaeda? I realize it's tempting, and self-serving, to see Al-Qaeda as a threat to civilization and the War on Terror as WWIII, but the fact is the enemy is still a rag tag bunch of fanatics holed up in the mountains somewhere. They're capable of damage, but even with today's bombings in the UK, the attacks don't come anywhere near what was experienced during the Blitz.

Have you considered what a dirty bomb would do? Not that difficult to smuggle into the country and assemble. The Chechen (sp) rebels have attempted to steal a nuclear warhead from the Russians three times. Not sure what they would do with it, but the thought is indeed scary. The purpose of terrorism is to cause terror. Regardless of how big or small, that is exactly what the bombings in the UK accomplished.

 

[ThAnswr]

Have you considered what a dirty bomb would do? Not that difficult to smuggle into the country and assemble. The Chechen (sp) rebels have attempted to steal a nuclear warhead from the Russians three times. Not sure what they would do with it, but the thought is indeed scary. The purpose of terrorism is to cause terror. Regardless of how big or small, that is exactly what the bombings in the UK accomplished.

You may underestimate the British people, but I don't. They are no strangers to terrorists. And as far as I can see, the terrorists did not accomplish what they set out to do as those in the UK are not cowering in fear. As a matter of fact, they specifically said they're going to go on with their way of life.

 

[DawnCt1]

You may underestimate the British people, but I don't. They are no strangers to terrorists. And as far as I can see, the terrorists did not accomplish what they set out to do as those in the UK are not cowering in fear. As a matter of fact, they specifically said they're going to go on with their way of life.

No underestimating of the Brits at all. Just a reminder to the rest of the world that terrorism is still out there and the battle needs to continue.

 

[ThAnswr]

No underestimating of the Brits at all. Just a reminder to the rest of the world that terrorism is still out there and the battle needs to continue.

Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[BeatlePooh]

OTOH, I find it a bit far-fetched for people to get worked up into a lather claiming that his comments give "aid and comfort to our enemies." That charge is ludicrous. And if being imprisoned on a small island separated from family and friends for years is truly "never having it so good in their lives", then maybe you'd jump at the opportunity to experience first-hand never having it so good yourself.

What is far-fetched is to try to correspond anything happening in Gitmo to the atrocities of Nazis, Gulags, and Pol Pot. That is far fetched.
And if you think that does not play into the propoganda on the "street" of the muslim world, then I would like to know why.
Another far fetched idea is that the word "torture" even belongs in the same paragraph with what is going on in Gitmo. Calling that torture is ridiculous.
Another far fetched idea is to worry about illegal combatants captured on the battlefield being "separated from their family and friends." Frankly that is too simplistic to be rationally addressed.
Even if they were real POWs, they would be "separated from family and friends." But they do not even deserve that distinction. They are illegal combatants who deserve nothing more than being shot on sight. The fact that they are still alive is a testament to our national morals and good faith.

 

[lawman1986]

What is far-fetched is to try to correspond anything happening in Gitmo to the atrocities of Nazis, Gulags, and Pol Pot. That is far fetched.
And if you think that does not play into the propoganda on the "street" of the muslim world, then I would like to know why.
Another far fetched idea is that the word "torture" even belongs in the same paragraph with what is going on in Gitmo. Calling that torture is ridiculous.
Another far fetched idea is to worry about illegal combatants captured on the battlefield being "separated from their family and friends." Frankly that is too simplistic to be rationally addressed.
Even if they were real POWs, they would be "separated from family and friends." But they do not even deserve that distinction. They are illegal combatants who deserve nothing more than being shot on sight. The fact that they are still alive is a testament to our national morals and good faith.

the liberal left are mostly resposible for this kind of rhetoric and propaganda. perhaps they should charged with giving comfort and aid to the enemy since that what they are doing when they call for the closure of gitmo and talk about torture, calling for the enemy combatants to be released, there all out of their minds. this is for certain, they are better taken care of than the poor are in this country. well at least they eat better.

 

[cats7494]

the liberal left are mostly resposible for this kind of rhetoric and propaganda. perhaps they should charged with giving comfort and aid to the enemy since that what they are doing when they call for the closure of gitmo and talk about torture, calling for the enemy combatants to be released, there all out of their minds. this is for certain, they are better taken care of than the poor are in this country. well at least they eat better.

Oh, yes - let's resort to the "blame game" - that's the best way to resolve any issue.

 

[lawman1986]

Oh, yes - let's resort to the "blame game" - that's the best way to resolve any issue.

It is what it is. If you want to resolve an issue, you must first find its cause, then what keeps it flourishing. thats where the Liberals come in. why cant they just go away.

 

[lawman1986]

Oh, yes - let's resort to the "blame game" - that's the best way to resolve any issue.

oh by the way, I sincerely doubt any of us will be able to resolve this issue by discussing it on this thread. but the discussion can be stimulating and insightful.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Our terrorist enemies are dogs who simply want to kill infidels. Their "cause" is to kill. Until the world unites against terrorists AND their supporters (whether in speech or action), there will never be peace on earth.

 

[lawman1986]

Our terrorist enemies are dogs who simply want to kill infidels. Their "cause" is to kill. Until the world unites against terrorists AND their supporters (whether in speech or action), there will never be peace on earth.

very concise and very correct.

 

[DawnCt1]

Oh, yes - let's resort to the "blame game" - that's the best way to resolve any issue.

I don't hear conservatives calling for the closure of Gitmo. The detainees are well treated and well fed. It is interesting that before the left was calling for their release....until plans were discussed to repatriate them with their countries. Then the cry from the left comes again with, "not fair, we must get promises from their own countries that they will be treated well". Now either Gitmo is the worse place on earth....or it isn't. It seems that "going home" may be a lot worse.

 

[Lebjwb]

Our terrorist enemies are dogs who simply want to kill infidels. Their "cause" is to kill. Until the world unites against terrorists AND their supporters (whether in speech or action), there will never be peace on earth.

What action are you taking? None, Nada, Zippo.... except that you advocate someone else getting killed or maimed instead of you.

The army said 4 more years today Joey....guess what?...you're going whether you like it or not.

Can you feel that draft Joey?

 

[Lebjwb]

How is killing Iraqi insurgents making me safer here in the US?

Anyone?

 

[Lebjwb]

Our terrorist enemies are dogs who simply want to kill infidels. Their "cause" is to kill. Until the world unites against terrorists AND their supporters (whether in speech or action), there will never be peace on earth.

Please explain to us how Bu$h united the world against the terrorists.

Please tell us Bu$h's plan for winning the war on terrorism.

Please tell us how we will know when the war is over and we have won.

 

[Lebjwb]

Our terrorist enemies are dogs who simply want to kill infidels. Their "cause" is to kill. Until the world unites against terrorists AND their supporters (whether in speech or action), there will never be peace on earth.

You do realize that North Korea actually does posses atomic weapons and are considered a part of the Axis of evil? They clearly are an immediate threat to the US. Why doesn't the US invade them immediately to preempt an attack on the mainland of our country?