Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[Pea-n-Me]

Before the kids are 10, they will have found Spare somewhere in the house and have read it.
And I think we can assume that once Archie hits puberty, he will be teased by his friends about his father's loss of virginity (so many kids are going to spank his rump) and mock his frostbitten todger.

Or, dare I say it, [what we know now is] his small willy!

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Yes he did. He stated the hospital gave them a package.

According to the book and to the opinion piece Meghan wrote for the New York Times (6 months after the event) they went to the hospital. Meghan had abdominal pain and started bleeding. They went to the hospital.

Below is a sentence in the article from the Express, they make it sound that it happened in the hospital.
The couple left the hospital clutching a "tiny package" and travelled to a "secret place".

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719308/Prince-Harry-Spare-Meghan-Markle-miscarriage

Thanks. That detail hadn’t come up in this thread, I don’t believe, so I took it to mean the “tiny package” was whatever ziplock bag, jewelry box, etc. they chose to put it in at home.

Well that’s no doubt going to ruffle some regulatory feathers. Though, not sure how CA handles these things.

Yeah, I’m curious. I spent a whopping five minutes googling (all I’m willing to invest in this ) and couldn’t find a clear answer. I found that hospitals in California will discharge remains under 20 weeks gestation at the patient’s request and those may be buried or incinerated without a permit. The only restrictions I could find for what you couldn’t do with the remains involved things like not being able to dump “recognizable fetal remains in open public view.” So, at a gestational age where it isn’t recognizable, or it’s not in open public view, or any restrictions on where it can or can’t be buried or incinerated… no idea.

 

[Karin1984]

Thanks. That detail hadn’t come up in this thread, I don’t believe, so I took it to mean the “tiny package” was whatever ziplock bag, jewelry box, etc. they chose to put it in at home.

Yeah, I’m curious. I spent a whopping five minutes googling (all I’m willing to invest in this ) and couldn’t find a clear answer. I found that hospitals in California will discharge remains under 20 weeks gestation at the patient’s request and those may be buried or incinerated without a permit. The only restrictions I could find for what you couldn’t do with the remains involved things like not being able to dump “recognizable fetal remains in open public view.” So, at a gestational age where it isn’t recognizable, or it’s not in open public view, or any restrictions on where it can or can’t be buried or incinerated… no idea.

Thanks for investigating. I let my imagination run free, got too influenced by tabloid headlines.

 

[Lilsia]

You've repeatedly replied to multiple people that we don't understand, misunderstand, are playing games, are naive and/or are assuming we know what's going on when we couldn't possibly -- yet you KNOW for the record what "palace sources" are. How is it that you have such factual, personal knowledge of the people and the events? You do seem to be taking any hint of disagreement with your statements personally, so I suppose it's technically possible. I'll refrain from sharing my opinion of the likelihood.

So you are saying that you believe some low level maid is in on private conversations and are leaking them to the press and the palace does nothing? They let out exactly what they want known. To believe otherwise is being naive.

 

[AndreaA]

What I find remarkable is how everyone assumes that they know what is going on. Up until Harry started speaking, EVERYONE blamed Meghan. SHE was the one that was alienating him from his family. She was the one that had all of the issues and dragging poor Harry into it. Funny how now that Harry is telling his story, that now he is a "spoiled brat". So many people are so sure that they just KNOW what is going on behind the scenes and making outlandish statements. It is kind of funny how emotionally invested some are in this situation and how angry some are. You don't even know these people.

Hey, I STILL blame Meghan. I think she’s been a terrible influence on him and pushed what insecurities he clearly had into full-blown mental health issues. What I don’t understand is why you love them so much and seem determined to blame their woes on “The Royal Family”. I mean, no kidding, The Royal Family doesn’t want to get dragged into their crazy. What a shocker!

 

[Karin1984]

So, I discovered that these book reviews are 2-3 pages long. Giving nice short and sweet summaries is going to take a while. I'm trying to write my own novel and H&M are taking away from my writing time ;-)

Let's start with headlines and links. If anyone has the article of the Washington Post, I'd love to read it as they had a critical piece about the couple of months ago. I am curious to read where they stand.

New York Times

Prince Harry Learns to Cry, and Takes No Prisoners, in ‘Spare’​

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/10/books/prince-harry-spare-review.html

BBC

Spare review: The weirdest book ever written by a royal​

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64223264

Financial Times
Spare by Prince Harry — complain and explain
https://www.ft.com/content/d805d715-6138-4336-b806-145e9a03c9f0

The Guardian

Spare by Prince Harry review – a flawed attempt to reclaim the narrative​

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/10/spare-prince-harry-review-attempt-reclaim-narrative

The Evening Standard
Spare by Prince Harry review: a lifelong quest for meaning often shows royal in an unflattering light
https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/prince-harry-s-memoir-spare-review-b1051977.html
The Telegraph

Spare by Prince Harry review: poignant memories of his mother, undermined by petty point-scoring​

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/w...y-review-poignant-memories-mother-undermined/

The Times

Prince Harry’s Spare review — a 400-page therapy session for mystic Harry​

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-harry-spare-review-book-memoir-2023-9rdzjn96q

Town & Country Magazine

The Real Villain of Spare, and of Prince Harry’s Life Story, Is the Media​

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/s...prince-harry-spare-relationship-media-hatred/

The Spectator

Spare reviewed: Harry is completely disingenuous – or an idiot​

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/spare-reviewed-harry-is-completely-disingenuous/

 

[Karin1984]

I found this article, it's an interesting perspective. Daughter of Ronald Reagan also once wrote a book putting all the family secrets out in the open. She later apologized to her father for writing it.

Ronald Reagan’s daughter warns Prince Harry of the danger in exposing family secrets​

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...ce-harry-patti-davis-ronald-reagan-book-spare

Author Patti Davis, the former first daughter who wrote a scathing book about her former-president father, Ronald Reagan, and their dysfunctional family in the 1980s and 1990s, is encouraging Britain’s Prince Harry to learn from her mistakes.

Her advice: Shush. Zip it. Shut your trap.

“My justification in writing a book I now wish I hadn’t written (and please, don’t go buy it; I’ve written many other books since) was very similar to what I understand to be Harry’s reasoning,” Davis said. “I wanted to tell the truth, I wanted to set the record straight. Naïvely, I thought if I put my own feelings and my own truth out there for the world to read, my family might also come to understand me better.

“Of course, people generally don’t respond well to being embarrassed and exposed in public. And in the ensuing years, I’ve learned something about truth: It’s way more complicated than it seems when we’re young. There isn’t just one truth, our truth — the other people who inhabit our story have their truths as well.”

Davis pointed to an allegation Harry includes in the book about a physical fight with Prince William and their father’s reaction to the fraternal turmoil, saying that Harry has indeed hit back by writing “Spare.” Although she didn’t discourage the son of the late Princess Diana from sharing his story, she believes it’s premature.

“Years ago, someone asked me what I would say to my younger self if I could. Without hesitating I answered: ‘That’s easy. I’d have said, “Be quiet.”’ Not forever. But until I could stand back and look at things through a wider lens. Until I understood that words have consequences, and they last a really long time,” she wrote.
“Harry has called William not only his ‘beloved brother’ but his ‘arch nemesis.’ He chose words that cut deep, that leave a scar; perhaps if he had taken time to be quiet, to reflect on the enduring power of his words, he’d have chosen differently.”

 

[mousefan73]

I wonder if somebody gave bridesmaids dresses in inches instead of centimeters

 

[Lilsia]

Hey, I STILL blame Meghan. I think she’s been a terrible influence on him and pushed what insecurities he clearly had into full-blown mental health issues. What I don’t understand is why you love them so much and seem determined to blame their woes on “The Royal Family”. I mean, no kidding, The Royal Family doesn’t want to get dragged into their crazy. What a shocker!

I DON'T "love them so much". I am not let my emotions rule over rational thought like most of you are doing. Why do you hate them so much? I think that there is much more behind the scenes that any of us would ever know and that many of you are not considering that. I also am realistic in knowing that one of the most powerful and rich families in the world absolutely put out exactly what they want put out to the press. That they very much are the "palace informants". The things that come out are just too specific to not come from that high up.
I think that many of you have this reverent attitude toward the Royal family that they don't deserve and you are being fooled into thinking that they are not behind the majority of what is "leaked". And that is exactly the type of people that they want, ones that will believe what they hear through unknown "sources" as fact even when what is said makes no rational sense. Like judge Judy says, it if doesn't make sense, it's not true.

 

[Lilsia]

I found this article, it's an interesting perspective. Daughter of Ronald Reagan also once wrote a book putting all the family secrets out in the open. She later apologized to her father for writing it.

Ronald Reagan’s daughter warns Prince Harry of the danger in exposing family secrets​

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...ce-harry-patti-davis-ronald-reagan-book-spare

Author Patti Davis, the former first daughter who wrote a scathing book about her former-president father, Ronald Reagan, and their dysfunctional family in the 1980s and 1990s, is encouraging Britain’s Prince Harry to learn from her mistakes.

Her advice: Shush. Zip it. Shut your trap.

“My justification in writing a book I now wish I hadn’t written (and please, don’t go buy it; I’ve written many other books since) was very similar to what I understand to be Harry’s reasoning,” Davis said. “I wanted to tell the truth, I wanted to set the record straight. Naïvely, I thought if I put my own feelings and my own truth out there for the world to read, my family might also come to understand me better.

“Of course, people generally don’t respond well to being embarrassed and exposed in public. And in the ensuing years, I’ve learned something about truth: It’s way more complicated than it seems when we’re young. There isn’t just one truth, our truth — the other people who inhabit our story have their truths as well.”

Davis pointed to an allegation Harry includes in the book about a physical fight with Prince William and their father’s reaction to the fraternal turmoil, saying that Harry has indeed hit back by writing “Spare.” Although she didn’t discourage the son of the late Princess Diana from sharing his story, she believes it’s premature.

“Years ago, someone asked me what I would say to my younger self if I could. Without hesitating I answered: ‘That’s easy. I’d have said, “Be quiet.”’ Not forever. But until I could stand back and look at things through a wider lens. Until I understood that words have consequences, and they last a really long time,” she wrote.
“Harry has called William not only his ‘beloved brother’ but his ‘arch nemesis.’ He chose words that cut deep, that leave a scar; perhaps if he had taken time to be quiet, to reflect on the enduring power of his words, he’d have chosen differently.”

Notice that she never said that what was written was untrue, only that her family still did not understand her better. I feel sorry for her and for Harry. To have a legitimate issue and have the people that are supposed to love and support you the most, do the opposite. It is clear that both Patty and Harry feel betrayed by their family. That cuts deep. In this day and age, when we are supposed to be accepting of everyone, there sure is a lot of hate for H&M telling their truth. But sadly, these people tend to get bullied and pushed into silence.

 

[cabanafrau]

So you are saying that you believe some low level maid is in on private conversations and are leaking them to the press and the palace does nothing? They let out exactly what they want known. To believe otherwise is being naive.

I mentioned maids? Perhaps you have mixed me up with someone else? I don't believe I mentioned maids, and I know I did not refer to them, or anyone, as low level.

Are you overlooking the palace staff that attends to the administration and management of the business aspects of the Royal Family? Traditionally many of those were referred to as courtiers, and possibly still are in some circles. They in fact do have power and are privy to aspects of the Royal Family, personally and professionally.

Even if the Royal Family feeds information to the press themselves, I'm not naive enough to think that they get on the phone or send out an email themselves to do so. Reasonably certain that is not listed under the job duties of any of the maids either.

 

[Karin1984]

Notice that she never said that what was written was untrue, only that her family still did not understand her better. I feel sorry for her and for Harry. To have a legitimate issue and have the people that are supposed to love and support you the most, do the opposite. It is clear that both Patty and Harry feel betrayed by their family. That cuts deep. In this day and age, when we are supposed to be accepting of everyone, there sure is a lot of hate for H&M telling their truth. But sadly, these people tend to get bullied and pushed into silence.

And the other way around. What Harry and Meghan are doing to their respective families can be considered bullying too and being pushed into silence.

Harry can say whatever he wants, pushing and pushing, hoping that he will get a response from his family which he knows he will never get.

But maybe we should lay this discussion to rest. You are never going to convince the people in this thread, let alone that we can convince you of our views. Shall we agree to disagree and call it a night? (it's 10 pm here)

 

[snappy]

And the other way around. What Harry and Meghan are doing to their respective families can be considered bullying too and being pushed into silence.

Harry can say whatever he wants, pushing and pushing, hoping that he will get a response from his family which he knows he will never get.

But maybe we should lay this discussion to rest. You are never going to convince the people in this thread, let alone that we can convince you of our views. Shall we agree to disagree and call it a night? (it's 10 pm here)

Thanks for providing all the links. Several were behind a pay wall, but some of the available ones are astute.

 

[snappy]

I wonder if somebody gave bridesmaids dresses in inches instead of centimeters

Charlotte might get a few good years wearing that one as she grows taller.

 

[Skywalker]

I'll tell you one thing: this divorce is gonna be EPIC.

Well, with their mutual track record of heartlessly throwing family members under the bus (and no detail is too personal OR too petty!) if I were them I'd be side-eyeing the other right about now. I hope they are each keeping good notes!

 

[Skywalker]

You are right, but somehow it is Harry (and for that matter, Meghan) who are the wronged party. Always

I noticed that as well. For instance in the sad, tragic stories Harry told (Kate makes Meghan cry, William pushes Harry into a dog bowl lol) - in each case Kate and William apologized. Do Harry and Meghan ever apologize? I guess they do no wrong, ever, and are just perpetual victims.

 

[Karin1984]

I noticed that as well. For instance in the sad, tragic stories Harry told (Kate makes Meghan cry, William pushes Harry into a dog bowl lol) - in each case Kate and William apologized. Do Harry and Meghan ever apologize? I guess they do no wrong, ever, and are just perpetual victims.

I wish one of the interviewers had just asked:
"Harry, what do you want? What do you want your family specifically to say or do to make this right?"
Now it was just vague 'They need to take accountability', for what exactly?

And then also the question: "Harry, Meghan, is there something you have to take accountability for? Are you sorry for anything?"

If you want to put it all out there, then also include this.

 

[barkley]

I hope they are each keeping good notes!

it better be strictly written notes b/c if they try doing secret recordings in california they are breaking the law. as a 2 party consent state both civil and criminal penalties are available to victims of illegal recordings. if you don't have the direct knowledge and consent of all parties being recorded you are in violation.

 

[mousefan73]

Charlotte might get a few good years wearing that one as she grows taller.

Too bad they’re not Catholic she could wear it as a first communion dress

 

[cabanafrau]

I noticed that as well. For instance in the sad, tragic stories Harry told (Kate makes Meghan cry, William pushes Harry into a dog bowl lol) - in each case Kate and William apologized. Do Harry and Meghan ever apologize? I guess they do no wrong, ever, and are just perpetual victims.

Interestingly it was necessary for new mom Meghan to be seen and heard and asked how she was on the state visit after Archie came along. However it was conversely appropriate for her to diminish the thoughts and feelings of her sister in law who had only given birth weeks before to her third child by dismissing her concerns with a baby brain insult. (What a way to demonstrate true support of women.)

Harry and Meghan claim Meghan was savaged over the flower girl dress incident in the press to Kate's benefit. The besotted husband claims Meghan was distraught and cried and Kate apologized with flowers and a note the next day and in the telling of the tale he drops the baby brain insult without any recognition that could have bruised Kate's feelings whatsover. Seems if Kate and her cronies had truly wanted to burn Meghan's image they might have let the baby brain insult slip when they leaked the story of the argument

Doesn't appear that Harry or Meghan have any insight into how their behaviors and their words have an effect on others, all while they wallow in every perceived sling, arrow and slight they believe is surely directed at them. Begs the question -- where exactly are all the loose lips? What if Harry and Meghan haven't been paragons of discretion about matters they're disgruntled about? Could any of their confidants have gossiped, resulting in stories getting out? What if the confidants tell the story they've been told by Harry and/or Meghan and the slings and arrows are perceived differently than Harry and Meghan view them? Is the listener obligated to empathize with Harry and Meghan, no matter how they view the details? If a story doesn't seem to show Meghan in a sympathetic light is the listener automatically biased? Anti American? Jealous of her overwhelming talent and personality?