Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[snappy]

Harry's PR team has worked very hard. Also the frontpage of People Magazine.

https://people.com/royals/prince-ha...ccount-good-bad-everything-between-interview/

The one thing the tabloids pick on is that he says that he had to tell his full story in Afghanistan because veterans should talk more about their experiences.

Yes, we agree with that Harry. But that doesn't need to include your killcount and you do not put that somewhere everyone can read it. Including your enemy.

So now we have reactions to the reactions to the interviews/book.

 

[Karin1984]

So now we have reactions to the reactions to the interviews/book.

Yes, thanks to the tabloids, we can keep this thread active for a reaaaaaaaaaally long time. And I haven't even started about the reviews coming in.
The reviews I have read already: Well-written book, probably some artistic freedom in how things are phrased, about a boy who lost his mom, never got over her death and is still hurting. He gets over it by lashing out against his family and the establishment.

 

[snappy]

The gift that keeps giving. Glad we can come here to get the goods on all of it, rather than spring for the book or watch Harry change his story.

Making a habit of lashing out is never good. Maybe good for views and book sales but otherwise. . . not. Hoping the lashing out doesn’t extend to others in his circle or people he deals with, but especially not to his children.

 

[Captain UP]

I'll tell you one thing: this divorce is gonna be EPIC.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Do keep it coming @Karin1984!

A couple of notations:

1) The Colbert piece was just filmed yesterday. The one w the people carrying Glock handguns w Harry.

2) The “texts” between Meghan and Kate were a “reproduction” and not original. That little bit of witchy tone may be a fabrication.

Carry on!

 

[Tink-osophy]

...about a boy who lost his mom, never got over her death and is still hurting. He gets over it by lashing out against his family and the establishment.

This description (I realize you're summarizing) makes me think that he's not, at all, helping himself heal but, instead, is indulging in the kind of venting that you have to keep doing over and over because the relief is very temporary. IOW, it's not true healing, it's temporary unburdening?

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

"... [I]ndulging in the kind of venting that you have to keep doing over and over because the relief is very temporary."

Now that's thought provoking. Thank you, Tink-osophy.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Yes, thanks to the tabloids, we can keep this thread active for a reaaaaaaaaaally long time. And I haven't even started about the reviews coming in.
The reviews I have read already: Well-written book, probably some artistic freedom in how things are phrased, about a boy who lost his mom, never got over her death and is still hurting. He gets over it by lashing out against his family and the establishment.

Except Harry is no longer a boy. He's pushing 40 and his Mum died over 25 years ago. He can afford a therapist...one who could help him heal and find peace. We get the angry vengeful man who likes to start fires and keeps them burning.

 

[Karin1984]

Some people are addicted to wallow (hope translated this well from Dutch) in certain emotions. And that can be because that's all you know. It can feel safe. Even when the current situation is absolute hell, it's something you know. Getting out of that mindset can be incredibly scary. Especially when you have been brought up in a very protected environment.

I think Harry has never thought about anything longterm. If something hurts now, it needs to be solved now.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Except Harry is no longer a boy. He's pushing 40 and his Mum died over 25 years ago. He can afford a therapist...one who could help him heal and find peace. We get the angry vengeful man who likes to start fires and keeps them burning.

See, this is where I have come to think this is not all triggered by Diana's death. Diana herself had a significant amount of chaotic events when Harry was even younger. He learned chaotic domestic life from his role model.

 

[seven dwarfs]

I don't think that any of us can say that since we don't live his life. None of us has experienced what he has, but so many are quick to judge. How do you KNOW that what he is saying is not true? I can't imagine that kind of life. How horrible it is to constantly be stalked by photographers. Having the flash of the camera in your face while you are walking is unnerving. To have these rags say nasty things about your wife and children.

I think that the Royal family has completely botched how they deal with the press going back many decades. The queen was old school and believed in a "stiff upper lip", but she was from a different time. Especially with what happened with Diana, the palace should have put their foot down on what kind of access the press has to the Royal family. They never should have been allowed to say all of those nasty things about Meghan and even going back to when Catherine started dating Will. By not putting a stop to it, it is like feeding a monster. And I do believe that Camilla(through her aids) is reporting to the tabloids personal conversations.
Why is no one asking who all of these "palace informants" are? The staff all signs NDAs and I can't see some low paid aid risking their future over some gossip. It is clear that this vitriol is coming from someone high up in the family.

Regardless of what anyone personally thinks of Harry or Meghan, the reality is that none of us truly know what it is like to be in the spotlight and see the horrible things said about you day after day after day. Just because you have money, does not make you any less human. The way some people talk about H&M is vile. And why? Because they are speaking out against the tabloids and how their family chose not to protect them from it? As if anyone should be supporting these publications who's sole purpose is to create scandal and descent all just to make a rich man even richer. This whole thing was mismanaged by the Royal family right from the start. If they would have stood behind Harry and Meghan, then none of this would have happened. He obviously feels betrayed by his family. I don't envy them that. I think that it is easy to be nasty to them because hey, he is rich and "spoiled" and so that makes him a "brat", forgetting that he is human like the rest of us.

I do understand what you are saying, but not sure what you mean by the Royal Family standing behind them. What does that look like? In my opinion they did. There were plenty of stories regarding Meghan in a good light. When dealing with the media, not everything will be positive. Negative sells. Who cares who made who cry at the wedding. It's so dumb. There both are right and both are wrong. It's what happens during weddings. Life comes with drama. To release personal messages is so rude. They know Kate can not and will not be able to respond. I'm sure they both have a stake in the claim. She gave her flowers and said she was sorry so grow up. Why even talk about it. You can't go back, only forward.

Harry and Meghan are putting it all out there to be judged. If they went away quietly, no one would be talking about them.

What do you suggest one is to do with the media? Some of the issues they have will never change. If you feed the media, it won't ever go away. Some things just won't change. I am sure it is almost impossible to figure out who is saying what about who. There isn't enough time in the day. Harry and Meghan are guilty of exactly what they are complaining about. The way the Queen handled things for the most part must have worked because up till now, most rumors and negative press have gone away with little comment from the Palace. Life isn't sunshine and lolly pops.

It is very hard to listen to them whine about Ikea furniture and small houses when most people today are trying to afford to heat their home and feed their kids. It's really ridiculous.

I do agree with you, I'm sure their rich and privileged life comes with all kinds of negative limelight that I would not enjoy. It's just most of the stuff he is complaining about in the book is stupid.

Also, he claims Meghan saved him from alcohol and drug abuse, yet he goes on to say he stole laughing gass during the birth of his son, and he's smoking pot off his balcony. It's just crazy. Some stuff is meant to keep to yourself. I think if they owned some of the behavior as their own fault maybe it wouldn't be so laughable.

In my opinion he is coming off as a brat and not grateful. One must balance the good with the bad. They seem to have lost sight of any of the good.

 

[BayouQueen]

I'll tell you one thing: this divorce is gonna be EPIC.

The thought has crossed my mind that she's encouraging him to go out there and self-destruct so that will be easier to do. Drugs, drink, mediums to talk to his dead mother, issues from his military service. It's all there.

 

[Karin1984]

Ok... W.T.F? Is this not a crime? I do hope he owns the ground. And gruesome to think about, but I hope he dug a deep deep grave. What if a child or a dog starts playing and digging around?

Prince Harry details moment he buried unborn child in grave he dug with bare hands​

The Duke of Sussex said the moment was one of only four in which he had felt "totally hopeless".​

Prince Harry has told of the devastating moment he learned his wife had a miscarriage in his new book and his experience burying his child. Writing in Spare, the Prince discussed his hopelessness when Meghan Markle experienced abdominal pains one morning at their new home in the US. And he disclosed the moment he dug a hole with his bare hands and set their "tiny package" into the soil below a tree at a "secret place".

[...]

The Prince said he buried his unborn child under a banyan tree somewhere "only we knew".

He said: "Under a spreading banyan tree, while Meg wept, I dug a hole with my hands and set the tiny package softly in the ground."

 

[Marrila]

Ok... W.T.F? Is this not a crime? I do hope he owns the ground. And gruesome to think about, but I hope he dug a deep deep grave. What if a child or a dog starts playing and digging around?

Prince Harry details moment he buried unborn child in grave he dug with bare hands​

The Duke of Sussex said the moment was one of only four in which he had felt "totally hopeless".​

Prince Harry has told of the devastating moment he learned his wife had a miscarriage in his new book and his experience burying his child. Writing in Spare, the Prince discussed his hopelessness when Meghan Markle experienced abdominal pains one morning at their new home in the US. And he disclosed the moment he dug a hole with his bare hands and set their "tiny package" into the soil below a tree at a "secret place".

[...]

The Prince said he buried his unborn child under a banyan tree somewhere "only we knew".

He said: "Under a spreading banyan tree, while Meg wept, I dug a hole with my hands and set the tiny package softly in the ground."

Bare hands digging? Hospital wrapped up a package of human remains and gave it to them?
It sounds creepy, likely illegal and untrue.

 

[Tuffcookie]

The thought has crossed my mind that she's encouraging him to go out there and self-destruct so that will be easier to do. Drugs, drink, mediums to talk to his dead mother, issues from his military service. It's all there.

And being a widow, with 2 royal offspring, she would be in the driver’s seat.

 

[cabanafrau]

They have more control than they are letting on. And their way of not responding also makes it worse. If the Royal family had stood together, condemning the way the rags spoke about first Catherine, and then even worse, Meghan then it would have died down much quicker. They could have easily denounced the horrible things that were said but instead they stayed silent. I think that was the catalyst for Harry. He is obviously traumatized by what happened to his mom and when he saw the same thing happening to the woman he loved, I think that made him extremely angry. I believe him when he said that he had many meetings with his family to get them to help deal with press. I think that any one of us would feel betrayed when your family refuses to help you and stand united with you against that onslaught.

I don't agree with you. I don't think that how they deal with the press is right. And we are not even talking about the legitimate news agencies here, we are talking about the scandal rags. They can easily use their influence to have the laws changed for this type of thing if they truly wanted to. There is absolutely no way to defend what the rags do. It is libelous and defamatory. But some believe that just because of their position, that they are open game. I don't agree with that, especially for the children and those who marry into the family. If you want to take your digs on the Queen/King, that is one thing, but leave everyone else out of it.

What "long game" are you referring to? The one where they ignore it and hope it goes away? That was the Queen's way and with all respect, the Queen truly was not living in modern times. Even when this whole thing started years ago, I thought that the palace handled this situation poorly. I never understood why they didn't condemn this kind of false statements. We have seen over and over how this kind of vitriol spreads like wild fire. And in this day and age, it is 100 times worse than it was in Diana's time. People are crazy. Them getting death threats because of what is written about them should never be tolerated.

The RF realized long ago that engaging the press/tabloids repeatedly simply opened themselves up for an endless dialogue of -- do you still kick your dog? When they do issue an official statement in response to something it tends to attract attention by virtue of the fact it's not a regular occurrence, drawing attention to a specific boundary that was violated. Why do they need to bother answering petty nonsense that they assume rational people won't accept at face value or private matters that are no one's business and best left unsaid?

IMO when someone takes great pains to go public with bitter claims about the behavior of others and wounds inflicted by their repeated inability to tell the truth it's probably best to begin first by sweeping one's own porch and then step out in a way that demonstrates complete veracity in one's own accounts. Fingers, toes, nose, ears, hands, feet -- all vulnerable in ways requiring substantial medical intervention long before an appendage significantly protected simply by its location. Tabloid writers are tipping their hats to the masterful stroke of not only creating a salacious anecdote to capture eyeballs, but further gilding it by tying it to one of the most significant life events of the archnemesis. I'm no tabloid writer, but I think that might be what they consider a two-fer.

If I were putting money on it I'd wager that the Queen's death did cause changes in the book. Not out of respect, that's painfully clear. Once he knew the person who was capable of dropping the hammer on him in a way the public would respect exited the scene Harry decided to fully flex what he sees as his power. It's really tragic to watch someone with absolutely zero insight race down such a destructive path. Hopefully he manages to stop or slow down before a brick wall or cliff appears in front of him. The history of the royal family is full of tragic figures.

 

[Karin1984]

Bare hands digging? Hospital wrapped up a package of human remains and gave it to them?
It sounds creepy, likely illegal and untrue.

To add, I just read that Montecito has to evacuate due to mud slides. Imagine the remains going with it.

 

[Disneefun]

Under the Banyan Tree... I'd say someone has been reading too much (it's a famous short story, ironically enough, about a storyteller), but I don't think Harry is bright enough to have read it. Maybe Meggie did and gave him the title for this little illegal, gross, episode.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Meghan probably had a spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) at home and they took the contents out of the toilet or something like that. I doubt a hospital was involved.

 

[Lilsia]

Yes, it was also the way for Diana, Fergie, Camilla and Catherine. They all started out with bad stories about them, but through hard work they all rose above that. The press turned.

Compare how nature works. After Winter comes Spring. The royal family knows there are ups and downs and the downs can take years.

And you have to think about the future. The press will always be writing negative stories. It is part of the free press. If you go against it once, you will have to go against it every time. Harry didn't want them to just react to the truly vile stories. He also wanted them to react to what the press said about Meghan's outfit on their first official date out as a couple and that Kate was the one who made Meghan cry.

While I agree with you that the climate is changing, I do think that "don't complain, don't explain" in the case of the royal family is the right motto.

It is the Streisand effect, the more Harry tries to control the media. The more the press draws attention to everything they do.

I think that you underestimate what the Palace can do. They choose not to press their influence with the papers, there is a difference. And again, we are not talking about the regular press, but the gossip rags. Freedom of speech does not necessarily extend to lies, especially if they can show that it causes harm.