Harder to get a room?

[Cinderpals]

I have been a member since 99. I never had a problem reserving at my home resort BWV until this year..
I am very dissappointed about not getting my BWV request, however I know SSR will be great! I don't know if it means anything but SSR was the only place available at the time!!!

Really? That's no fun! I'm checking tomorrow for availability for end of June/July if any days are open, I'm booking.

 

[MiaSRN62]

but SSR was the only place available at the time!!!

Bill,
May I ask what time period this was please ?

 

[waltfan1957]

It is legal. Maybe it affects availability but I doubt it. I think they numbers are too small and at the very least, a points used at point A will free up more time for point B.

IF you're saying this has a larger affect on the system than the entire SSR, I'd definitely disagree with that assertion.

while you are probably right the main point of discontent seems to be that ssr owners will according to some use their points to stay at what some say are better dvc resorts but the average dvc owner does not have 3000 points I know you can only have 2000 at one resort but if that person uses 2000 points to block book x amount of rooms for a particular week which they are allowed to do that does have a large impact on room availability. how many studios can you book at say bw for sunday till thursday

 

[Dean]

while you are probably right the main point of discontent seems to be that ssr owners will according to some use their points to stay at what some say are better dvc resorts but the average dvc owner does not have 3000 points I know you can only have 2000 at one resort but if that person uses 2000 points to block book x amount of rooms for a particular week which they are allowed to do that does have a large impact on room availability. how many studios can you book at say bw for sunday till thursday

Actually I don't think you quite have it right. The question isn't really that people are unhappy with SSR owners booking other resorts. They feel DVC has taken advantage of them selling SSR at the expense of BCV, BWV & VWL and to be honest, I think they are absolutely correct. But that's how the system is set up and everyone know it. I think some people are upset with DVD for selling SSR (a large resort with a lot of points) encouraging members to buy to use for the other resorts. And it's not a question of better resort, but more desirable resort. And I do feel there is a significant difference. But more to the point, the largest part of these discussions has been the simple fact that SSR is a large resort and that fact alone will have a large affect on booking certain smaller resorts. It is my belief that a larger percentage of owners are buying in to SSR to stay at other resorts than bought into any other onsite property for the same purpose. However, the same could likely be said for newer owners of OKW and likely for HH and VB as well.

If one buys where they want to stay and plan ahead there is no problem. I've done that and am well aware of what DVC has and has not promised to me. However, those than can't plan ahead and/or made other assumptions or were given other promises (implied or otherwise) outside the legal paperwork, may feel differently. To me this is simply a factual and philosophical discussion but apparently it's an emotional one for some.

If one owner has a larger amount of points, that is their right. The limits per DVC are currently 2000 per resort and 5000 per owner. A couple could double that. And if they went resale, it'd be up to DVC to decide whether to allow them to go over or buy it back. My guess is they don't check or care so I wouldn't be surprised if someone were over. But lets say for sake of discussion that one had 5000 points and wanted to book them all Sunday to Friday for one specific week. Say they called day by day at exactly 11 months out. Since there is some time involved in booking each unit, they wouldn't be able to corner the market over someone else who called day by day at the 11 month window also when they open. Of course they could get ahead of anyone who didn't call at exactly the 11 month window. But even if they could, what difference would it make. We're talking home resort here and IMO, any rental out of a home resort is far more deserving of another DVC member trading in at the 7 month window, even if one single person could book up the entire resort system for that week.

 

[waltfan1957]

If one owner has a larger amount of points, that is their right. The limits per DVC are currently 2000 per resort and 5000 per owner. A couple could double that. And if they went resale, it'd be up to DVC to decide whether to allow them to go over or buy it back. My guess is they don't check or care so I wouldn't be surprised if someone were over. But lets say for sake of discussion that one had 5000 points and wanted to book them all Sunday to Friday for one specific week. Say they called day by day at exactly 11 months out. Since there is some time involved in booking each unit, they wouldn't be able to corner the market over someone else who called day by day at the 11 month window also when they open. Of course they could get ahead of anyone who didn't call at exactly the 11 month window. But even if they could, what difference would it make. We're talking home resort here and IMO, any rental out of a home resort is far more deserving of another DVC member trading in at the 7 month window, even if one single person could book up the entire resort system for that week.[/QUOTE

thats my point rentals of home resorts if as you say a couple could own 4000 points at one resort they could in theory book x amount of rooms I know you mentioned the time to do this but it could be done then by the time the seven month window comes round that resort will probably be sold out how then can SSR owners have any effect on this there has been no documented proof that most SSr owners have bought in just to trade to as you put it more desirable resorts as many posts on this board have suggested,as an SSR owner I feel we are getting a raw deal from other DVC owners who feel that their so called superior resorts gives them the right to blame not being able to get the prefered booking they require on SSR owners in particular,how many times does it need to be spelled out if they want a
certain time they have 4 months before anyone else can book that time if
they do not get what you want they have only themselves to blame

 

[Dean]

thats my point rentals of home resorts if as you say a couple could own 4000 points at one resort they could in theory book x amount of rooms I know you mentioned the time to do this but it could be done then by the time the seven month window comes round that resort will probably be sold out how then can SSR owners have any effect on this there has been no documented proof that most SSr owners have bought in just to trade to as you put it more desirable resorts as many posts on this board have suggested,as an SSR owner I feel we are getting a raw deal from other DVC owners who feel that their so called superior resorts gives them the right to blame not being able to get the prefered booking they require on SSR owners in particular,how many times does it need to be spelled out if they want a certain time they have 4 months before anyone else can book that time if they do not get what you want they have only themselves to blame

Again, I think you are looking in the wrong place. The issue of question as for SSR is the 7 month window. If it comes to the time when nothing can be booked at 7 months out day one (all booked home resort), you might or might not be correct in that it would not matter, see below. I don't think any member has blamed SSR for not being able to get their home resort other than if they couldn't or didn't plan ahead and I am not sympathetic in this situation of poor planning. However, I feel that for much of the year the 3 resorts in question will be booked up before the 7 month window opens and it will get worse. And even then in part it will be due to SSR in that some owners are already planning further ahead due to their fears of the 7 month window. Also, those that book home resort with the idea of changing to a different resort at 7 months, will simply keep their home resort reservation if they can't get what they want at the 7 months window.

I'll say again that feeling the number of points will overwhelm the system or that DVC sold SSR with the idea of booking other resorts as a big part IS NOT BASHING SSR OWNERS OR THE RESORT ITSELF. As for proof, there is no black and white proof, at least than any of us have access to. But there have certainly been FAR more posts about people buying SSR to use in large part at other resorts compared to VWL and BCV, the ones where we'd have more BBS info. And there are far less posts by different people saying they bought SSR strictly for SSR. And other than the 12 year issue, I don't recall a single post by anyone who specifically waited on SSR, a type of post we saw repeatedly for both VWL and BCV. IMO, there is adequate proof though I will acknowledge that it is circumstantial.

 

[kimberh]

There was a post the other day from a new SSR owner thrilled to be one and then saying hoping to spend out time at VWL. I believe they just don't understand. I am new but one thing I did learn from reading this board for 2 years off and on, was buy where you want to stay. At the time, I really didn't understand the importance of why but I went through 4 VWL contracts and 6 months before I actually closed on one. I am still waiting on my membership cards but at least I am on the way. I just hope the 11 month window is not going to be complicated because of a few tying up rooms that they don't intend to use and then release them later on if they're not rented.

 

[popsmensahbonsu]

It is just a numbers game guys and once again Dean is right on. (I'm seeing a trend with this guy ) If SSR wasn't so big the problem would be much less. It is about 300 rooms to big for this program. In fairness to the existing owners it should have been no larger than OKW. 7 month bookings will be tougher to get when SSR is sold out. I just got here on these boards and I've already read many posts about SSR owners staying elsewhere with those points. I also took the SSR tour and really almost laughed in the guides face with all of his, "you like BCV'", then book it at 7 months. Buy SSR stay at the resort of your choosing." Really, it didn't take long to see where the "SSR tour" was going. It turned us right off and scared us into a resale at BCV. At least I know I'll be in a desirable resort at 11 months if I so choose. F&W Fest. is a big draw and I could book a room at BCV for that time and get top dolar on Ebay promoting the whole thing. When exactly is it "desirable" to be at SSR. What special events would you want to be right there for?

In answer to this thread, yes, the 7 month bookings will get tougher to get, it is simple logic. How soon or how tough remains to be seen.

 

[The Shanking Pickle]

I want to stay at SSR sometime next summer, will I be able to if i don't own there? Seems like alot of people are changing their minds about SSR and it is becoming very popular.

 

[Dean]

I want to stay at SSR sometime next summer, will I be able to if i don't own there? Seems like alot of people are changing their minds about SSR and it is becoming very popular.

Given the current setup, SSR will essentially always be the last to be booked up. There's no specific time or year or unit type that will cause it to be booked preferentially that I can think of. Maybe this will change in the future, who knows. It is not bad resort so no reason not to like it, it's just that other resorts will be liked better for one reason or another. I'm sure there are members who want to stay a trip or two at their home resort and then will branch out. And once they do, I suspect a percentage of those will want to stay preferentially at other resorts when they didn't think they would. So in 10 years more points sold and an even higher percentage of SSR owners, along with OKW/HH/VB owners, will be vying for the smaller resorts at the 7 month window. Again, that's OK with me, just the realities of the system.

 

[The Shanking Pickle]

What makes you think other resorts will be liked more? Other then a few jealous non SSR owners all I see are great reviews. People are even talking about how nice the bed spreads are. Looks to me like Disney hit a home run this time. The other resorts were practice runs until they got it right, and then they built a larger resort to take advantage of all they had learned.

My wife wants to buy Vero because it cost less, I keep telling her the only way we will ever be able to get into SSR is to own there. DD is a big draw, the other resorts have to take a bus to get there, SSR owners can just take a short walk and be right in the middle of all DD has to offer.

 

[Dean]

What makes you think other resorts will be liked more? Other then a few jealous non SSR owners all I see are great reviews. People are even talking about how nice the bed spreads are. Looks to me like Disney hit a home run this time. The other resorts were practice runs until they got it right, and then they built a larger resort to take advantage of all they had learned.

Because of location, onsite amenities and size. IMO, if one wants to stay consistently at BWV, BCV and VWL, they will have to own there. Same can be said for OKW for GV, HH for summer and VB for beach houses and certain times of the year. If your view is SSR is great and the only ones who think it's not are stupid and jealous, we have no common ground to discuss further. IMO, the percentage of those who want to preferentially stay at their home resort compared to those who own in total, will be FAR lower at SSR than any other onsite option. It may be higher than HH and VB, I'm not sure. I'd say NEW owners at OKW would be in the ballpark though less due to the issue of lower points costs.

My wife wants to buy Vero because it cost less, I keep telling her the only way we will ever be able to get into SSR is to own there. DD is a big draw, the other resorts have to take a bus to get there, SSR owners can just take a short walk and be right in the middle of all DD has to offer.

Two thoughts. One is that two wrongs don't make a right. I would never buy VB to stay at WDW. I'd only buy VB to stay there and even then if I could find a subsidized contract. If you want SSR or even want on property and buy from DVC or just the extra 12 years, go for it, you have my blessing. But to say that you'll have to own there to stay needs a real sanity check. Maybe, just maybe, for the GV though I'm finding even that doubtful at present.

 

[keys2kingdom]

I want to stay at SSR sometime next summer, will I be able to if i don't own there? Seems like alot of people are changing their minds about SSR and it is becoming very popular.

Have no fear, I think you will be able to get in there. This isn't a nasty comment, there are a lot of rooms there. With that said however, if you want to stay at SSR you should buy there. Buying the Vero points with the intent of using them at SSR is a strategy that might backfire on you. Plus those Vero dues at $5.27 a point are a killer, SSRs dues are only $3.98 this year. Buy those SSR points as soon as the next great promo comes out.

 

[Olaf]

It is just a numbers game guys and once again Dean is right on. (I'm seeing a trend with this guy )

He normally is. You will notice that he's been around awhile.

 

[PinkTink63]

On what page did they say 40% of the rooms would be in the worst location?

You just don't get it! Not everyone thinks that SSR is the worst location! You are not listening! Yes, we are quite aware that you HATE the location!!!
Now, can you just move on to the next subject, please! You are entitled to your own OPINION, but so are the rest of us!

 

[PinkTink63]

Chuck I can't imagine that in 1998 many bwv buyers had any idea at all, that someday the "club" they had just joined for 10k, would build a resort in a location such as SSR, that would DOMINATE the total ownership.

Why yes, I could imagine that happening, if you follow the growth of Disney! They are going to continue to build and I am sure bigger than SSR!

I wish DVC would just go ahead and split SSR off into it's own seperate pool of resorts and be done with it.

Dream on B3! May I offer you a little cheese with that Whine! .

Steph

 

[PinkTink63]

Boat -

I am just trying to get a feel for where you are coming from. Aside from the fact that you truely detest SSR. Which have you ever stayed there? Just curious really.

Oh the irony of it all!
If my memory serves me correctly, I believe B3 has owned BWV for 5 years and has never stayed there!

 

[PinkTink63]

I have never chimed in on an SSR thread, because frankly - they worry me. DH and I are looking to buy this summer. We are buying, and we are going to be thrilled with SSR because it's not going to take us by any sort of surprise. So this isn't about that particular resort.

But I think you have a point here, along with some others on the thread.

Lots of people can't get BWV, etc now for, say, December. As someone pointed out, the 7-month window for that hasn't even opened, so you aren't competing with the "billions of points" SSR has added to the system.

Since we DON'T own DVC (yet), I spend a lot of time looking for hotels on property. There are very few super slow times anymore. Some are obviously slower than others, but gone are the days where weeks at a time (September, October, early December, etc) are virtually empty. It just doesn't happen. People are wise to the idea of doing Disney a different month than July or August.

So maybe, just MAYBE, this is all multi-faceted. There are simply more people GOING to WDW on the "off times". Maybe BWV owners are booking earlier than they used to (for numerous possible reasons).

Like I said, I have no vested intereste in this matter, so maybe I'm way off. It just seems like, reading this thread and others, the SSR angle is being assumed and thrown around in instances where it can't possibly even be causing a problem?

Or maybe I'm just way off. It's been known to happen

No, I think you are pretty "right on"! You can check out ebay also and see the same people, week after week, selling BWV & BCV ressies. (Sun-Thur, mind you) According to B3, it's all those SSR owners!

 

[popsmensahbonsu]

What makes you think other resorts will be liked more? Other then a few jealous non SSR owners all I see are great reviews. People are even talking about how nice the bed spreads are. Looks to me like Disney hit a home run this time. The other resorts were practice runs until they got it right, and then they built a larger resort to take advantage of all they had learned.

My wife wants to buy Vero because it cost less, I keep telling her the only way we will ever be able to get into SSR is to own there. DD is a big draw, the other resorts have to take a bus to get there, SSR owners can just take a short walk and be right in the middle of all DD has to offer.

From what I've seen on this thread alone, don't let this boat character hear you say this. In answer to your other question, no problem getting a room at SSR this summer.

 

[bullpup12564]

I had the 11th month window booked at my home resort but was able to change resorts at the 7th month window. Even if I could not change I would still be happy.