Happy Holidays, Holiday tree no problem but come on...

[2funny2c]

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Would you care to elaborate on the subject or should we chalk this up as another "hit and run" or YASP (Yet another sarcastic post)

Opps....thats right if I disagree with you then you will ask to have the thread closed.

maybe the media is to blame for this as well.

 

[cardaway]

It's pretty simple. Each year the media focuses more and more on these stories. Doesn't mean there is a bigger percentage of issues, just a better percentage of media coverage vs. number of issues.

What you will not see, because it doesn't get headlines or raise ratings, is a story about the majority of public schools that don't have issues and do include Christmas every year.

IMO it's no different than the other headlines and issues. You can't take the number of stories as op ed pieces and translate those into sings of a major epidemic. In fact, on many occasions the same people going off about this issue could be the ones ignoring other media hot buttons knowing it's all about the ratings.

 

[reeddi]

I will have to post all of the songs later as I don't have the program in front of me.
One was Reindeers on the Move, one was not a sung song but played with sticks being hit, those are all I remember at the moment. I think there was one about a letter for santa but no I don't think Santa songs are Christian based. This was about listing what you wanted maybe. This was Monday night so I can't remember them all.
I do remember the right before the Channakah songs they told the story of the oil being low and how it lasted.
It was built around a postman that was not in the spirirt and him delivering items. Like letters from Mexico before one song, the oil story and delivering oil before the Channakah songs, and the delivery of a Shirt or something that was explained in the story of Kwanza before the Kwannza songs, then before Reindeer on the move - delivery of batteries for Rudolph nose. ( that was funny).

Again let me state my POINT. I am not upset that these were included. I am all for that. The no mention of the basis for Christmas was part of the problem. The main one I had being include ALL things not just some.

I was really enjoying the earlier dialogue about information sharing on holidays. I hope we can go back to that. This was not a media issue in anyway nor was I trying to make it one. And no I don't think anyone is trying to STAMP out Christmas or christianity.

 

[2funny2c]

It's pretty simple. Each year the media focuses more and more on these stories. Doesn't mean there is a bigger percentage of issues, just a better percentage of media coverage vs. number of issues.

What you will not see, because it doesn't get headlines or raise ratings, is a story about the majority of public schools that don't have issues and do include Christmas every year.

IMO it's no different than the other headlines and issues. You can't take the number of stories as op ed pieces and translate those into sings of a major epidemic. In fact, on many occasions the same people going off about this issue could be the ones ignoring other media hot buttons knowing it's all about the ratings.

Ask yourself why does the media focus on these stories? Are they making up the incident that just occurred in the Seattle area school?

You can not say conclusively that it doesnt happen at the majority of schools because many schools are so scared of the ACLU that they swing way to the other side. Only when someone makes a challenge on either side does it make the news.

The frequency of this is increasing as our society is becoming more and more PC and hostile to anything Christian. To blame this entirely on the media is ridiculous.

 

[cardaway]

I was really enjoying the earlier dialogue about information sharing on holidays. I hope we can go back to that. This was not a media issue in anyway nor was I trying to make it one. And no I don't think anyone is trying to STAMP out Christmas or christianity.

I will respect your wishes and step out.

 

[MUFFYCAT]

In his class he learned all about Hanukah and Kwaanza. I think I still have the projects he worked on for those topics. Christmas was not included. Wasn't even mentioned.

So, yes. We have seen it in Connecticut. At least in this part of Connecticut.

It's here in Long Island also. Last year my DD 5th grade teacher told the story about Hanakah during the Hanukah partyheld on a Monday. The class mother was not allowed to talk about Jesus or even call it a Christmas party during the "Winter party" held the next day.
Was that was fair????????????? There weren't even any jewish kids in the class.

 

[frndshpcptn]

"It's here in Long Island also. Last year my DD 5th grade teacher told the story about Hanakah during the Hanukah partyheld on a Monday. The class mother was not allowed to talk about Jesus or even call it a Christmas party during the "Winter party" held the next day.
Was that was fair????????????? There weren't even any jewish kids in the class."

Were all the kids in the class Christian, then? If so, I see how the Hannukkah party would have been a nice lesson about how other religions celebrate the holiday season.

Perhaps they felt there was no need to talk about Jeus since all the kids in the class learned about that at home.

 

[reeddi]

Ok sorry this took so long - crazy night

There weren't 14 but 12 sorry about the count being off
List of songs
Special Delivery
Carol of the Boomwackers - hitting sticks thing
We're goin' on a sleigh ride
Happy Kwanzaa
The light of Kwanzaa
Feliz Navidad - my daughter sang it for me and it ends with the English words and happy new year. the song seems to be about the festival in Mexico but no direct relation to Christmas.
Hanukkah lights
Nes Gadol Haya Sham - now this was interesting as the title means a great miracle happened there but I don't think it was a reference to the birth of Jesus - someone else may know better. She wasn't sure of the words to this one as she didn't have to sing it.
Reindeer on the move tonight
Santa, Here's a letter for you - yep about getting stuff
Winter Bell Carol - music done on recorders no words
Hearts around the world - just a we wish everyone happy holidays.

In her choral group they did
Shalom
Blitzen's boogie - song about the reindeer
Jingle Five - sort of a different version of Jingle Bells

Except the first one just kind of cute little congs referencing nothing really.

Just wanted to get this to those who asked.



So There you go - most of them I didn't know.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Ok sorry this took so long - crazy night

Nes Gadol Haya Sham - now this was interesting as the title means a great miracle happened there but I don't think it was a reference to the birth of Jesus - someone else may know better. She wasn't sure of the words to this one as she didn't have to sing it.
-Just wanted to get this to those who asked.

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Hebrew ,about Chanukah

 

[akhenaten]

[QUOTE=
Feliz Navidad - my daughter sang it for me and it ends with the English words and happy new year. the song seems to be about the festival in Mexico but no direct relation to Christmas.

Ok don't get upset at me again....but I still need clarification...
What festival are you refering to, in Mexico ..that says feliz navidad..and has nothing to do with christmas???

 

[MUFFYCAT]

"It's here in Long Island also. Last year my DD 5th grade teacher told the story about Hanakah during the Hanukah partyheld on a Monday. The class mother was not allowed to talk about Jesus or even call it a Christmas party during the "Winter party" held the next day.
Was that was fair????????????? There weren't even any jewish kids in the class."

Were all the kids in the class Christian, then? If so, I see how the Hannukkah party would have been a nice lesson about how other religions celebrate the holiday season.

Perhaps they felt there was no need to talk about Jeus since all the kids in the class learned about that at home.

How do explain not allowing the party to called Christmas party ,yet the party was allowed to be called Chankuhah party ??? She was silly enough to tell one parent that being she is Jewish, she will not allow anything else be talked about in class. I forgot to add out of 24 kids in class, 17 parents complained to prinicipal and she was reprimended. The prinicipal and about 10 mothers gave the class a Christmas party that Friday. They did not read from the Bible, made ornaments and sang carols. And the teacher said she refused to be there. Now that was mature


In that reasoning you're giving that it would have being teaching the kids something, then what wrong with Jewish kids who taught about their religion at home and the synagague, then let them hear all about Christmas!

 

[inaminute]

Were all the kids in the class Christian, then? If so, I see how the Hannukkah party would have been a nice lesson about how other religions celebrate the holiday season.

That's the same as saying that if all the children are Jewish, then they should be taught about Jesus and Christmas. After all, it's important they learn how other religions celebrate the holiday season.

All I'm saying is if one religious viewpoint is taught in public schools, then ALL should be included. If one is excluded, all should be excluded. Picking and choosing religious teaching in public school is discrimination, at best.

 

[MUFFYCAT]

All I'm saying is if one religious viewpoint is taught in public schools, then ALL should be included. If one is excluded, all should be excluded. Picking and choosing religious teaching in public school is discrimination, at best.

I agree with you, but teacher only included chankuhah and EXCLUDED the rest.

 

[akhenaten]

I agree with you, but teacher only included chankuhah and EXCLUDED the rest.

But just think about all of the many many years the opposite was true and nothing other than Christmas was taught.

I don't think I would make the same choice as this teacher....I believe in more inclusion, but I can empathize....

The most important place for a childs religious instruction is at home and in their place of worship...

I would have respected this teachers belief and used it as a teaching moment at home about the many different faiths..then discuss the other failths' relationship to our own


As long as the kids got their party/fun time the theme does not matter to me (within reason)