Happy Holidays, Holiday tree no problem but come on...

JennyMominRI said:
Because it's repeated over and over again in English in the very next verse?


IF you read the OP correctly she said it was a song about Feliz Navidad that did not say in English we wish you a Merry Christmas


sang 14 songs and in those songs they sang 2 about Kwanza (sp), two about Hannakah (sp) and one about Feliz Navidad (but not the I want to wish you a merry christmas one)


Glad your in such a hurry to make snippy comments when you didnt even read properly in the first place. :confused3
 
JennyMominRI said:
If it was such a commonplace event it probably wouldn't make the news.

Many common place events make the news.

Oh what am I saying. It must be just the media and things like this dont ever happen.

my apologies.
 
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002668964_danny07.html

Here is the complete article. Aperfect example of somebody going way too far to exagerate and create a problem rather than reporting one. (bolding by me)


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Losing our battle for Christmas
By Danny Westneat

Seattle Times staff columnist



Dear Rev. Jerry Falwell:

As a loyal follower of yours, I write to say that you are absolutely correct. Christmas is being purged from our culture. I checked it out myself. I heard of your crusade to preserve the story of Jesus' birth in the one place Americans will have some hope of seeing it. Namely, our retail core.

You said stores ought to trumpet "Merry Christmas" instead of this bland "Happy Holidays" stuff. You said you were going to sue them and boycott them until they heel to the Christmas spirit.

In fact, you told ABC News: "We're kicking their butts, and they're unhappy."

I hope so, for Jesus' sake. But reverend, I have doubts. I spent a few hours recently in Seattle's downtown shopping district. And evidence of Christmas was as hard to find as the remains of Noah's Ark.

Take the City Centre mall, on Fifth Avenue. No "Christ" in there, that's for sure. Ann Taylor's window theme is " 'Tis Dashing, 'Tis Essential." Butch Blum just says "Cheers!" as if the way to get through the holy days is by drinking.

At the front door of Barneys New York are two headless mannequins with T-shirts that read: "WE ALL HAVE AIDS."


Reverend, you warned that the abortionists and feminists and gays are ruining the country. But this isn't true, is it? That WE ALL HAVE AIDS?

Anyway, the message didn't seem all that Christmasy. So I went to Westlake Center. There, the sight of a 35-foot Christmas tree filled me with joy. But when I looked closer I saw it was actually the "17th Annual Westlake Holiday Tree."

The joy drained from me like sap from a tapped maple. Someone — atheists probably — had stripped all meaning from this religious symbol.

It was then that I understood the stakes. This is a war. You're either for Christmas, or you're against it.

Downtown Seattle is against it. Here's a typical Nordstrom display: A mannequin in stiletto heels lounges on a curved divan the color of sin. The theme is: "Share a little happiness."

Can anyone dispute that this is more "bedtime at the brothel" than "away in a manger"?


I went into Macy's, with its blasphemous "Holiday Lane." Reverend, you'll be proud to hear I marched up to a clerk and barked your question: "Christmas, friend or foe?!"

She pretended not to know what I was talking about. She replied: "So, all ready for Christmas yet?"

She said "Christmas" as if it was something to ward off, like bird flu. I made a note to report her as a "foe," and ran out.

Reverend, I don't want to bring bad tidings. But we Christians are losing the battle for Christmas.

Jesus has been totally drummed out of the shopping experience. For U.S. Christians, it's getting to be so the atheists make you check your faith at the mall door. It's lonely and dispiriting for the 230 million of us there are left.

And here's what's truly sad. After we are persecuted from the malls, how are we supposed to observe the birth of the Lord? What's left for us? Just church? The family hearth?

I can't imagine what Jesus would have said about that.

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One holiday tree, one holiday lane, and a enough exageration to fill Santa's sack. Who ever said each store must have a Christmas display?

And it's an op ed piece, not a news story.
 
frndshpcptn said:
Do we know what songs were sung during the program? I'm trying to think of 10 or so "non-Christmas" holiday songs and am having trouble:

- Frosty the Snowman
- Winter Wonderland
-Jingle Bells

None specifically mention Christmas - but in my head are Christmas songs...

Chestnuts roasting on an open fire? :confused3 (I don't know all the words)
 

Lisa loves Pooh said:
Chestnuts roasting on an open fire? :confused3 (I don't know all the words)
Well,that is titled the Christmas Song
 
You are right Cardaway, it is an op ed piece and that is why the sarcasm and hyperbole is there. I can see how you picked up on it given your past posts. But it doesnt negate the facts that are in the story. That in your liberal state they also have "Holiday" trees.

And I see you didnt comment on the Seattle area school that didnt want a star on top of their "holiday tree".

Its not just the media. It is happening all over the country multiple times during the Christmas season.
 
It has been Christmas in this country since the founding fathers settled here. Why does it have to be changed now?? I will continue to wish everyone a Merry Christmas-if they don't like it-that's they're problem, not mine.

I did notice a sign in front of KMart today stating Christmas Eve hours-at least they used the word Christmas somewhere. Unfortunately that sign stated they would close at 9:00 Christmas Eve. Ouch.

We will be attending the Christmas Party at our child's school next Friday, the day before Christmas Break (and stated as such by the schools).

As for retailers not mentioning Christmas in their ads for PC reasons-they need to remember that Christmas is the profit driver for their stores-if they want Christmas to go away or be celebrated as something else, they need to expect their sales and profits to drop accordingly.

Hope everyone here has a Merry Christmas!!
 
2funny2c said:
Many common place events make the news.

Oh what am I saying. It must be just the media and things like this dont ever happen.

my apologies.

No it's just Fox News. Seriously, I usually watch Bill O'Reilly. But I can't take anymore of his "Christmas watch" thing (his ego is starting to bother me too but that's another thread). It's like he's trying to make people feel like they are under attack. Last I checked Christmas comes every year...earlier and earlier as a matter of fact.
 
kydisneyfans said:
It has been Christmas in this country since the founding fathers settled here. Why does it have to be changed now?? I will continue to wish everyone a Merry Christmas-if they don't like it-that's they're problem, not mine.

I did notice a sign in front of KMart today stating Christmas Eve hours-at least they used the word Christmas somewhere. Unfortunately that sign stated they would close at 9:00 Christmas Eve. Ouch.

We will be attending the Christmas Party at our child's school next Friday, the day before Christmas Break (and stated as such by the schools).

As for retailers not mentioning Christmas in their ads for PC reasons-they need to remember that Christmas is the profit driver for their stores-if they want Christmas to go away or be celebrated as something else, they need to expect their sales and profits to drop accordingly.

Hope everyone here has a Merry Christmas!!

Well...before the founding fathers were here, there were a whole number of nations who didn't celebrate Christmas at all....but that's a whole other can o' worms..
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
How about Deck the Halls?

(fa rah rah rah rah rah rha rah rah ;)).
I don't know..Could be pagan. Mentions singing the Yuletide Carol :rotfl:
 
wow that was hard---even a search of "secular holiday songs" yielded songs with the word Christmas in the title and Santa. So I'm not sure the definition of secular anymore. If as long as it doesn't mention Jesus--then there are lots of them.

Up on the Housetop
All I want for Christmas
I'm getting nothing for Christmas
Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer

And so on and so on...
 
Pesky media at it again. I think they are just making up all this stuff. :rolleyes:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/251130_ncenter07.html

Wednesday, December 7, 2005

More offices light up trees for Christmas -- but hold the angels

By KERY MURAKAMI
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

It's not exactly the Island of Misfit Toys, but in a back room at the Julius Rosso Nursery & Garden Center in Georgetown sit numerous victims of the cultural war over Christmas trees.

"Here are some angels with trumpets," said Bobbi Rosso, sifting through Christmas ornaments stowed in boxes.


"And here's one with a flute," she said, pulling out another angel.

The Rossos put up many of the Christmas trees in downtown Seattle's office buildings. Around this time of year, she and her assistants put up five Christmas trees a day. None have any angels on them, she said. No jolly Santa Clauses, either. These days, many of Rosso's customers consider such ornaments to be too religious.

"They're worried about offending people," she said.

Not all building managers have declared their lobbies angel-free zones out of political correctness, she noted. Many of her customers have simply left it to her to decorate the trees. But Rosso said she's heard enough people who want religion kept out of office lobbies to know that putting up the most cherubic of trumpet-playing angels could cause her customers problems.

So in the boxes sit gold-colored cherubs, angels made of glass -- none to be seen this holiday season.

Even the term "Christmas tree" is causing controversy in some places around the country.


In places as varied as Chicago, Reno, Nev., and Prairie Village, Kan., they've been renamed "holiday trees." In Boston, the Parks and Recreation Department set off a furor when it advertised the lighting of a Holiday Tree. The Nova Scotia logger who donated the spruce told newspapers he'd rather feed the tree to a wood chipper than call it that.

Also forgotten in the back room at Rosso's nursery: boxes of snowman ornaments. Those ornaments, though, are victims of fashion. The tastes of Rosso's customers have turned from kitsch to the glamorous luxurious gold balls and crystal icicle ornaments.

The angel issue confounds Rosso.

"Look at these -- how can anyone object to these?" she said, pulling a plump cherubic face from yet another box.

"I'm not for all this controversy about Christmas. I'm Italian and Irish Roman Catholic. I believe in the birth of Christ," she said. "To me, it's tantamount to taking the birthday out of cake. Or to take the baseball out of ... er ... bat."

Last Wednesday, Rosso and four of her helpers including Helen Schafer went to the Plaza 600 office building at Sixth Avenue and Stewart Street.

The Vance Corp., which manages the building, hadn't specifically asked that there be no angels.

There were golden grapes, golden acorns and white lights on the 12-foot artificial tree.

"No angels here," Rosso said from atop a stepladder.

"Helen here is the angel."
 
kydisneyfans said:
It has been Christmas in this country since the founding fathers settled here. Why does it have to be changed now?? I will continue to wish everyone a Merry Christmas-if they don't like it-that's they're problem, not mine.
!!
SO if you saw someone in a Yarmulke you would wish them Merry Christmas? How about someone with a headscarf on?
 


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