Happy Darwin Day

I'm a lifelong Catholic who has no problem believing in evolution-so Happy Birthday Mr Darwin! (of course, you're dead so you really aren't aging...but it's the principle of the thing, right?)

We were taught evolution by Sister Elizabeth in my Catholic grammar school years ago, but I know many religious folks don't like it. The way I see it, if people really don't want their kids to learn evolution then they need to send them to a religious school that conforms to their beliefs or homeschool them. Don't try and get public schools to conform to your particular religious beliefs.
 
He was an amazing man, and ITA about teaching evolution in public school. If you want your kids to learn your particular unscientific religious beliefs, that's something you teach them. But in science class, they should learn science.
 
He was an amazing man, and ITA about teaching evolution in public school. If you want your kids to learn your particular unscientific religious beliefs, that's something you teach them. But in science class, they should learn science.

And as soon as science can prove all facets of evolution as they teach it are really fact, they can call it fact. Until then, much of it remains unproven and no more valid than any creation story since they can't be proven either. :rolleyes1 :thumbsup2

Happy Birthday, Charles. His contribution to science and humanity are undeniable.
 

And as soon as science can prove all facets of evolution as they teach it are really fact, they can call it fact. Until then, much of it remains unproven and no more valid than any creation story since they can't be proven either. :rolleyes1 :thumbsup2

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Depends on the book you read. My Book proves it for me.
 
And as soon as science can prove all facets of evolution as they teach it are really fact, they can call it fact. Until then, much of it remains unproven and no more valid than any creation story since they can't be proven either. :rolleyes1 :thumbsup2

Happy Birthday, Charles. His contribution to science and humanity are undeniable.

If you don't understand how evolution is a valid scientific theory and creationism is a religious myth, you don't understand anything at all about science. An excellent explanation can be found here, in layman's terms. This is an excellent program on the whole teaching creationism in the schools controversy that contains a good explanation that anyone should be able to understand about why evolution is scientifically valid (and has extensive evidence to support it) and why creationism is as scientific as astrology.
 
And as soon as science can prove all facets of evolution as they teach it are really fact, they can call it fact. Until then, much of it remains unproven and no more valid than any creation story since they can't be proven either. :rolleyes1 :thumbsup2

Happy Birthday, Charles. His contribution to science and humanity are undeniable.

Evolution is, in essence, a scientific theory and a fact. This may sound confusing and contradictory at first, but one has to understand a laymans theory is not at all the same as a scientific theory. The fact is that evolution, the changes in populations of organisms over time, has been observed and has mountains of empirical evidence behind it. The theory part comes into play to explain these observations and evidence (the facts).

In this manner it is almost exactly like gravity, which is also a fact and a theory.
Gravity: The fact is small things are pulled towards larger things (example: An apple falls to the ground). The theory is the explanation of gravity.
Evolution: The fact is organism populations change over time and rise from a common ancestor. The theory is the explanation of how evolution works.

Though the details of how exactly evolution and gravity function in the whole of history and the universe, the fact of both gravity and evolution remain.

:P I hope I'm not being too confusing, I just woke up.
:banana: Happy Darwin day everyone! Get out there and use those opposable thumbs!
 
Happy Birthday Mr Darwin!

BTW, it's also Mr Lincoln's 200th Birthday.

Kinda interesting that two people so influential in our modern society were born the same day, same year.
 
I'm a lifelong Catholic who has no problem believing in evolution-so Happy Birthday Mr Darwin! (of course, you're dead so you really aren't aging...but it's the principle of the thing, right?)

We were taught evolution by Sister Elizabeth in my Catholic grammar school years ago, but I know many religious folks don't like it. The way I see it, if people really don't want their kids to learn evolution then they need to send them to a religious school that conforms to their beliefs or homeschool them. Don't try and get public schools to conform to your particular religious beliefs.
I'm a lifelong Catholic too and I have no problem with evolution either. I think it can co-exist with creationism too, though as a Catholic, I don't take the Bible literally, so that helps too. :)
 
As I read somewhere earlier:
Happy Birthday to you.
You're 100 times 2.
We're descended from primates.
It's about time they knew.

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why? I am interested in both sides of this discussion which will probably turn somewhat cranky- and I'm enjoying some popcorn. That's all.
 
I need some troll spray.

Oh please - tell me what Lincoln did that would get him impeached and imprisoned today??
Lincoln was a dictator and a tyrant. Many wonder if he would have stepped down as president. Here is a primer, with links out to the details. If you are not aware of these things, shame on you...

Lincoln believed that his ends justified his means. He used war to destroy the U.S. Constitution in order to establish a powerful central government.

Lincoln assumed dictatorial military powers. He used them to suppress all Northern opposition to his illegal and unconstitutional acts.

Lincoln violated every constitutionally guaranteed civil right. He ignored rulings hand-delivered to him by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Roger Taney ordering Lincoln to respect and faithfully execute the laws of the United States and to protect civil rights.

Lincoln replied by suspending habeas corpus, by instituting a secret police, and by arbitrarily arresting without warrants or due process thousands of leading citizens of Northern cities, state legislators, U.S. Congressmen, newspaper owners and editors, ministers, bankers, policemen--literally everyone who expressed the slightest reservation about Lincoln’s aims and means or who was anonymously denounced by a rival or envious neighbor.

In the thoroughness with which Lincoln suppressed dissent, he prefigured 20th century totalitarians.

Lincoln’s “train of abuses” far exceeded those that provoked our Founding Fathers to declare independence from Britain.

In conducting the war, Lincoln encouraged his generals to violate international law, the U.S. Military Code, and the moral prohibition against waging war on civilians. Lincoln urged his generals to conduct total war against the Southern civilian population, to slaughter them with bombardments, to burn their homes, barns and towns, to use rape as a weapon of war, to destroy foodstuffs, and to leave women, children and the elderly in the cold of winter without shelter or a scrap of food.

In order to carry out Lincoln’s wishes, a new kind of soldier was needed. General Sherman filled his regiments with big city criminals and foreigners fresh from the jails of Europe. The war against the Southern civilian population was fought with the immigrant soldier.

Professor DiLorenzo writes that had the South won the war, there is no doubt that Lincoln and his generals, Grant, Sherman and Sheridan, would have been hung as war criminals under the Geneva Convention of 1863.

Link...
 
Very interesting... I also find the whole love affair with Lincoln questionable. The war he waged was not about slavery; it was about the southern states suceeding from the union-his union. Slavery was just a end result; it was never part of his agenda.
 
Very interesting... I also find the whole love affair with Lincoln questionable. The war he waged was not about slavery; it was about the southern states suceeding from the union-his union. Slavery was just a end result; it was never part of his agenda.
Agreed - but even if you believe that it was about slavery, his actions were inexcusable. The things that he did... :mad:

I am just shocked that Americans don't know more about it. :sad2:
 
I am certain Charles Darwin would note with some amusement the predictable "devolution" of a thread "observing" his birth date.

G_d is amused also. He made Charles Darwin possible after all.....


:)
 
Happy Birthday Mr Darwin!

BTW, it's also Mr Lincoln's 200th Birthday.

Kinda interesting that two people so influential in our modern society were born the same day, same year.

I know. And they say there's no such thing as synchronicity... :)
 
Very interesting... I also find the whole love affair with Lincoln questionable. The war he waged was not about slavery; it was about the southern states suceeding from the union-his union. Slavery was just a end result; it was never part of his agenda.

Where did you get your history degree(s)???????:confused3
 
Where did you get your history degree(s)???????:confused3
There have been many books written about it, but it is not taught in our public schools. Here is a snippet for you, if you think that Lincoln set out to free the slaves:

Lincoln's views on race were motivated and influenced greatly by his own political ambitions. Though Lincoln was a "political" abolitionist his personal views of the Negro question prevented him from adhering to the views of the moral abolitionists. The main influence driving Lincoln's desire to liberate the slaves was political and his fist priority was to preserve the "great experiment." Lincoln's attempt to ban the expansion of slavery was for the benefit of the superior whites and was not a first step towards Negro liberation and suffrage. On the eve of the war of secession Lincoln viewed the slaves as a labor force that was essential to the southern resistance.

Lincoln was not interested in direct intervention within the slave states, he saw slavery as a political hot potato and Lincoln was merely adhering to republican politics. He made the remark that if he could save the Union and not free slaves he would, he also stated that if he could save the union and free all slaves or even just a few he would (Hattaway & Jones, How, 270). When he did express a hatred of the expansion of the "peculiar institution" in the Lincoln Douglas debates he said nothing about the abolition of the south's beloved institution. By avoiding the issue of liberation he could secure the support of non abolitionists and not risk losing the anti-slavery vote. One of the foundations of the Republican Party was free soil and labor opportunities for whites; the prevention of the expansion of slavery was one of the methods to accomplish this. Lincoln took it as his duty to hold to the party principles. Without such a strong corner stone to unit the party it would surely fall (Fonner, Free, 215-216). When elected to office Lincoln continued to use slavery as a political tool in an attempt to put an end to the secession crisis. On the eve of the crisis's climax Lincoln admitted that he was willing to give in to Southern demands, such as ending Northern resistance to an internal slave trade. If it were not for the strong stance of many Republican radicals the war of preservation may have been postponed (Fonner, Free, 220). Lincoln made it a point to stress to the slave holding states that he had no intention of re-structuring race relations (Clinton & Silber, Divided, 78).

Link...
 


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