Hand luggage with a toddler

[katytrott]

Yes agree with you, but they need to set a size limit somehow - how could they set/enforce the size restrictions by volume? The people employed by BAA are simple souls and shoving bags into a set frame is about the limit to what they can do quickly and easily

Boo

Completely undestand about the volume and limit thing, am sure I mentioned that myself earlier (volume thing anyway). I guess they just chose laptop bag type dimensions rather then full size rucksack type dimensions to accomadate the buisness travellers.

 

[katytrott]

The most important thing to take note of are the BAA instructions/regulations (which are regularly updated on their website).

Boo

Just one more quick question (I'm a bit slow really ) Do these regulations apply to the US?

 

[Red-Snapper]

It doesnt have to be a laptop bag but the dimensions basically describe one - this is no accident !!

I am sure that size was chosen as the airlines lobbied hard for it so that they didnt lose business passengers from first class.

I have tried finding a rucksack that fits and eventually did - but most seem to be slightly to deep.

 

[katytrott]

I have tried finding a rucksack that fits and eventually did - but most seem to be slightly to deep.

This has been my experience, 16cm is not a lot when it comes to rucksacks. The only rucksacks (or indeed any type of bag) I have found within the 16cm depth rule have been smaller, almost handbag type bags.

I do understand that you could get any size bag, only half fill it, and make it squish into the frame, but I am worried I wont know, when packing it, where that point ends. I don't want to end up throwing something away.

 

[Boo Boo Too]

Completely undestand about the volume and limit thing, am sure I mentioned that myself earlier (volume thing anyway). I guess they just chose laptop bag type dimensions rather then full size rucksack type dimensions to accomadate the buisness travellers.

Yes, like Red Snapper also agrees.

Business travellers tend to buy the more expensive tickets (First & Business Class and the fully flexible economy tickets) AND it sort of makes sense - many of them have to take their laptop with them. Ok having a bag of laptop dimensions isn't great for the rest of them, but being able to take their laptops (or not) directly affects business travellers' livelihoods...

I do understand that you could get any size bag, only half fill it, and make it squish into the frame, but I am worried I wont know, when packing it, where that point ends. I don't want to end up throwing something away.

Ok, at the risk of going all "Blue Peter"... . How about making a quick frame yourself to those dimensions out of stiff cardboard (i.e. old cardboard boxes)? If you have a responsible, older child (or niece/nephew) maybe they could have a go at making it. Don't think it would take long to make and might give you (and the rest of your party) some peace of mind...

Boo
(full of hair-brained ideas today... )

 

[Boo Boo Too]

Just one more quick question (I'm a bit slow really ) Do these regulations apply to the US?

Ex-US lists of banned and prohibted substances/items - http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm

To be honest, at the moment, I can't see an ex-US hand-luggage size restrictions... In which case, it would be your airline's hand-luggage restrictions (https://www.britishairways.com/travel/bagcabin/public/en_gb if you are flying BA). BUT will see if I can find out...

Boo

 

[patdavies]

Another question: All info says baby milk/juice allowed if tested by parent first. Does this include milk/juice for 23 month old (more of a toddler now, less of a baby, but still needs quota of milk at that age) and if so can the juice be any type of juice eg tropicanna, or do you have to prove it is actual baby juice.

Despite other posts above, there is no real definition of baby. However, at 23 months your child is still entitled to an infant ticket and so could well be classified as a 'baby'

Any milk or juice would need to be specifically for babies and not just the standard item - like Tropicana

In all cases, the airlines guidance on carry-on is just that - guidance. The BAA as the airport (and security) operator is more likely to adhere to what is in its own advice.

Note this does not apply to MAN, which has luckily escaped the rapacious clutches of BAA

 

[Boo Boo Too]

Any milk or juice would need to be specifically for babies and not just the standard item - like Tropicana

Assuming that the milk/juice was in a baby bottle or some type of "infant sippy cup", how could they tell if it was proper baby juice or Tropicana...???

Boo

 

[katytrott]

Boo Boo Too, thankyou for all your help. It certainly is worth trying some way of recreating the frame, I just realised that would be more money saved to buy souvenirs . Unfortunately, I didn't make myself clear again .
When I asked if these regulations applied to the US, I didn't mean coming home from the UK, I actually meant going to the UK. I have looked closely on the BAA website and they actually state, at the end of one detailed section of all thing allowed and prohibited on flights leaving the UK, that regulations were different on flights leaving the UK heading TO the US. For more info. on this we are to go to are airline for more details. Well they were just useless, so I am thinking I perhaps will never get an official answer and will just take my chances. It was a good idea of yours (I think it was yours) to take the BAA regulations list and hope for the best.

Ex-US lists of banned and prohibted substances/items - http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm


Boo

Glad to see prosthetic breasts are allowed on board and don't have to be checked in

 

[katytrott]

Assuming that the milk/juice was in a baby bottle or some type of "infant sippy cup", how could they tell if it was proper baby juice or Tropicana...???

Boo

Planning on taking juice in a sippy cup so assumed the same as you.

 

[Boo Boo Too]

When I asked if these regulations applied to the US, I didn't mean coming home from the UK, I actually meant going to the UK. I have looked closely on the BAA website and they actually state, at the end of one detailed section of all thing allowed and prohibited on flights leaving the UK, that regulations were different on flights leaving the UK heading TO the US. For more info. on this we are to go to are airline for more details. Well they were just useless, so I am thinking I perhaps will never get an official answer and will just take my chances. It was a good idea of yours (I think it was yours) to take the BAA regulations list and hope for the best.

Er, you mean US-UK (i.e. Orlando to London) don't you? Or is my lurgy/cold from the weekend dragging on?

Boo

 

[katytrott]

Boo Boo Too, thankyou for all your help. It certainly is worth trying some way of recreating the frame, I just realised that would be more money saved to buy souvenirs . Unfortunately, I didn't make myself clear again .
When I asked if these regulations applied to the US, I didn't mean coming home from the UK, I actually meant going to the UK. I have looked closely on the BAA website and they actually state, at the end of one detailed section of all thing allowed and prohibited on flights leaving the UK, that regulations were different on flights leaving the UK heading TO the US. For more info. on this we are to go to are airline for more details. Well they were just useless, so I am thinking I perhaps will never get an official answer and will just take my chances. It was a good idea of yours (I think it was yours) to take the BAA regulations list and hope for the best.

(obviously I need more coffee)
So sorry, am beginning to wonder if I am going down with something. I made no sense, how embaressing. I do indeed mean regulations that apply from UK to US (London - Orlando). Hope all makes sense now. According to BAA Gatwick website, outbound flights to the US have different regulations to the rest of the outbound flights.

Have double checked what I wrote

 

[katytrott]

Taken from the BAA gatwick website (sorry wish I could post the link but don't know how to):

"Further passenger information
Before security: All shops and catering outlets are open to all passengers, but any liquids and gels purchased must be packed into your luggage for check-in. Any other purchases must fit into your hand luggage.

Once through security: All shops and catering outlets are open to all passengers. If you are travelling to any destination except the USA then you can take all items purchased in the departures lounge into the aircraft cabin.

If you are travelling to the USA: Extra restrictions are in place. Passengers will be subjected to secondary security searches at the gate. No toiletries or cosmetics purchased in the departure lounge will be allowed into the aircraft cabin and any drinks or liquid items must be consumed before boarding. Food, however, is allowed. Passengers boarding flights to the USA and items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, will be subjected to secondary search at the gate and any liquids discovered will be removed.

If you are in any doubt about what you can and cannot take on board please ask a member of staff."


I got this from the very bottom of the main Safety and Security page you get to from the link on the home page. Makes no sense as the link someone earlier posted on this thread clearly states that no liquid is to be taken on board, but here it can be if bought after security (incedently, that link can be found on this particular page in that website). I am assuming, from reading this, the extra restrictions to the US mentioned, are actually that we still cannot take liquids perchased airside, but it really is not very clear. Particularly so when your airline says no food or liquid is allowed onboard.

 

[Boo Boo Too]

(obviously I need more coffee)
So sorry, am beginning to wonder if I am going down with something. I made no sense, how embaressing. I do indeed mean regulations that apply from UK to US (London - Orlando). Hope all makes sense now. According to BAA Gatwick website, outbound flights to the US have different regulations to the rest of the outbound flights.

Have double checked what I wrote

That's what I thought you asked and that's what I answered...

Ex-US lists of banned and prohibted substances/items - http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm

To be honest, at the moment, I can't see an ex-US hand-luggage size restrictions... In which case, it would be your airline's hand-luggage restrictions (https://www.britishairways.com/travel/bagcabin/public/en_gb if you are flying BA). BUT will see if I can find out...

Boo

Those are the US-UK (i.e. Orlando to London) regulations for what you can have on flights.

I am just recovering from the lurgy... obviously causing me some communication problems...

Boo

 

[Boo Boo Too]

I got this from the very bottom of the main Safety and Security page you get to from the link on the home page. Makes no sense as the link someone earlier posted on this thread clearly states that no liquid is to be taken on board, but here it can be if bought after security (incedently, that link can be found on this particular page in that website). I am assuming, from reading this, the extra restrictions to the US mentioned, are actually that we still cannot take liquids perchased airside, but it really is not very clear. Particularly so when your airline says no food or liquid is allowed onboard.

No liquids UK-US (or US-UK for that matter), even if purchased airside, at the moment. The only exceptions are the baby milk/juice - http://www.baa.com/assets/B2CPortal/Static Files/hand_baggage31Aug.pdf appears to be the latest.

Boo

 

[katytrott]

Yes I agree with you. In conclusion, I can take anything on board (including my prosthetic breasts ) for my son as long as it can fit into our hand luggage and it isn't in liquid form. Phew!!

 

[Claire L]

No liquids UK-US (or US-UK for that matter), even if purchased airside, at the moment. The only exceptions are the baby milk/juice - http://www.baa.com/assets/B2CPortal/Static Files/hand_baggage31Aug.pdf appears to be the latest.

Boo

You may be able to purchase duty free liquids in the US if on a direct non stop flight to the UK and as long as the purchase is delivered to you as you board the plane. Duty Free rules from US.

Claire

 

[Boo Boo Too]

Yes I agree with you. In conclusion, I can take anything on board (including my prosthetic breasts ) for my son as long as it can fit into our hand luggage and it isn't in liquid form. Phew!!

Yes, but can't you find anything less embarrassing for him to play with than your prosthetic breasts??? Like a teddy bear or a small train. Not that any woman shouldn't be proud of her breasts, BUT... it could all get a bit wierd if junior starts throwing them round the cabin...

You may be able purchase duty free in the US if on a direct non stop flight to the UK and as long as the purchase is delivered to you as you board the plane. Duty Free rules from US.

Yes, looks like it from what you posted - that is useful to know

Boo

 

[juliebro]

Is it me, or does the shape of the bags to be used as hand luggage seem a bit stupid. I have loads of bags that are a rucksack shape as I am sure the majority of the nation do (perhaps slight sweeping statement!). Rucksacks are the norm type of bag when it comes to travelling, definetely the most practical. I bet the majority of travellers have to now go out and by new bags, as does every member of our party. So frustrating, as we have two bags, which probably have the same volume as all these laptop shape bags, are much more practical for me, and certainly more practical for the security chaps to search through. I guess they chose the laptop shape for all the buisness travellers - frustrating and expensive for the rest of us.

We travelled from Manchester to Iceland 2 weeks ago and rucksacks were definitely fine for the hand luggage.

Julie

 

[katytrott]

Yes, but can't you find anything less embarrassing for him to play with than your prosthetic breasts??? Like a teddy bear or a small train. Not that any woman shouldn't be proud of her breasts, BUT... it could all get a bit wierd if junior starts throwing them round the cabin...

Boo

Yeah, you are probably right. I'll certainly 'bare' that in mind