Guantanamo may shut, Republicans split

[ThAnswr]

Have some faith in our country's leaders.

Especially since they've proven themselves worthy of that trust.

Hahahahahaha.............broke myself up with that one.

 

[7thdwarf/dopey]

Especially since they've proven themselves worthy of that trust.

Hahahahahaha.............broke myself up with that one.

Yes!! Many have!!

 

[ThAnswr]

Yes!! Many have!!

Yeah, sure they have from WMD's, to reconstituted nuclear weapons programs, to 400 terrorists have been arrested and 200 were convicted, etc.

I'm sure you know your way to the door by now.....

Yeah, right............try again.

 

[Lebjwb]

Do you have any idea at all why Gitmo even exists? Its been there as a defense for this country way before this prison camp. Have some faith in our country's leaders.

Have some faith in our country's leaders.

The blind following the blindly insane.

This is your wake up call......time to start thinking for yourself...your leader is a liar.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Amisty international is one of the best organization: there reserche is usually exellent and goes very deep

It started in 1961 and had there first political prisonner relaese was a priest from the Czech republic .

Go to there web site to have an informed opinion !

http://www.amnesty.org/

These people are proffessional of Human rights , not mere amateurs !

Perhaps adequate research would have shown what an outrageously overblown comparison it was to compare Gitmo with a gulag. That one comment revealed so much about the AI agenda.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

The blind following the blindly insane.

This is your wake up call......time to start thinking for yourself...your leader is a liar.

You apparently are so blinded by your hatred of our President Bush that you can only call names. Have you lost your sense of history regarding the role of Guantanomo?

 

[Teejay32]

I want to know what's going on in Guantanamo and the ones preventing that is the Bush administration and their water carriers. I want to know if the CIA is shipping prisoners out to Uzbekistan where their dictator boils political enemies. I want to know if there are any Americans there. I want to know if the Bush administration is sending people to countries where they will be tortured. I want to know, why after nearly 3 years, there isn't one person arrested for being in an Al-Qaeda sleeper cell or been arrested in connection with 9/11. Btw, Moussaui was arrested the month before.

Of course, YMMV.

I've always thought that the prisoners at Guantanamo are treated as much like POWs as possible without granting them POW status, and so it's not that a criminal case cannot be made, but will not be made, by the Bush Admin. Official policy is they're the enemy. In the same vein, we'll never capture OBL during this administration, (he might turn up dead, not captured) and I'm pretty sure detainees are being sent back to countries of origin regardless of them facing torture.

 

[Lebjwb]

You apparently are so blinded by your hatred of our President Bush that you can only call names. Have you lost your sense of history regarding the role of Guantanomo?

Actually it is a fact that Bu$h is a liar.

The history of Guantanomo has no bearing on the fact that the right now condones torture. It doesn't matter if it takes place in Cuba or Iraq or Iowa.

I hate Bu$h because he is bringing ruin to my country.

 

[Lebjwb]

Time's article, authenticated by Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita, outlines al-Qahtani's treatment, which included being refused a bathroom break and forced to urinate in his pants, having a female guard straddle him, being forced to wear pictures of scantily clad women around his neck and being forced to bark and act like a dog.

This is what America has become under the Bu$h administration.



"In spite of that they are still treated with respect and dignity,"-Dick Cheney.

Respect and dignity???

 

[jrydberg]

Actually it is a fact that Bu$h is a liar.

Incorrect. That is your opinion. But we've been through this before.

 

[Lebjwb]

Incorrect. That is your opinion. But we've been through this before.

It seems that you need a refresher course;

"President Bush proclaimed that a report by leading economists concluded that the economy would grow by 3.3 percent in 2003 if his tax cut proposals were adopted. No such report exists." Gordan Livingston, 06.03.03

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Bush: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system would be exhausted and bankrupt."

In what the BBC calls "highly unusual," a State of the Union Speech was interrupted by a chorus of "No's," booing, and heckles from some of the members of Congress in attendance. This happened immediately after the above Bush lie. As Shields mentioned on the PBS wrap-up, and as Brooks concurred, if adjustments are not made, by 2042, as they have been made before, 3/4 of the funds promised would still be available. The entire system would neither be exhausted nor bankrupt. -- Politex, 02.03.05

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On April 26, President Bush said in his weekly radio address, "My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax."

That turned out not to be true. According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax. --Timothy Noah, 06.03.03

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President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."

Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from developing a weapon." And last week, the president said objections by a labor union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."

All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought. And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States; there was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors was resolved long ago. --10.22.02, Washington Post
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I'll spare you any further examples as there probably isn't enough band-width available to list them all.

 

[jrydberg]

Nope, don't need a refresher course, thanks. I'll let your partisan venom speak for itself.

 

[ThAnswr]

Incorrect. That is your opinion. But we've been through this before.

Facts and figures aren't opinions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100381.html

 

[ThAnswr]

Nope, don't need a refresher course, thanks. I'll let your partisan venom speak for itself.

And you're letting your Republican roots get in the way of your good sense. You may not like, or want to accept, the idea that Bush has been lying, but that doesn't change the facts.

Al Sharpton's question is as relevant as ever: "Does Bush know he's lying when he's lying?"

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

It seems that you need a refresher course;

"President Bush proclaimed that a report by leading economists concluded that the economy would grow by 3.3 percent in 2003 if his tax cut proposals were adopted. No such report exists." Gordan Livingston, 06.03.03

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Bush: "By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system would be exhausted and bankrupt."

In what the BBC calls "highly unusual," a State of the Union Speech was interrupted by a chorus of "No's," booing, and heckles from some of the members of Congress in attendance. This happened immediately after the above Bush lie. As Shields mentioned on the PBS wrap-up, and as Brooks concurred, if adjustments are not made, by 2042, as they have been made before, 3/4 of the funds promised would still be available. The entire system would neither be exhausted nor bankrupt. -- Politex, 02.03.05

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On April 26, President Bush said in his weekly radio address, "My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax."

That turned out not to be true. According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax. --Timothy Noah, 06.03.03

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President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."

Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from developing a weapon." And last week, the president said objections by a labor union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."

All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought. And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States; there was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors was resolved long ago. --10.22.02, Washington Post
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As I study what you have posted I see that you and President George W Bush have something in common -you both tend to speak in generalizations at some inopportune times. All things considered, President Bush is a man of integrity who has done much for our nation. I am glad to have a leader as truthful and dedicated as the one we have.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Al Sharpton... Amnesty International... Howard Dean... Who is going to speak for the leftists next? Michael Jackson?

 

[jrydberg]

And you're letting your Republican roots get in the way of your good sense. You may not like, or want to accept, the idea that Bush has been lying, but that doesn't change the facts.

Al Sharpton's question is as relevant as ever: "Does Bush know he's lying when he's lying?"

I'm not a Republican.

And I'd say you're letting your distaste for the man and his policies cloud your judgment. The facts do not support the assertion that Bush has been lying -- at least not conclusively so. I admit there's a possibility he's been lying. But it's extremely unlikely, IMO.

I'm not ignorant of the facts. I know them better than most, particularly where Iraq is concerned. I have seen nothing to indicate that anything other than good faith errors were made. You obviously disagree. That's your perogative. But that doesn't entitle one to pass off as factual information that is clearly opinion.

 

[Lebjwb]

Nope, don't need a refresher course, thanks. I'll let your partisan venom speak for itself.

Guess you can't provide a reasonable response.


Thanks for helping to make my point about Bu$h being a liar.

 

[ThAnswr]

I've always thought that the prisoners at Guantanamo are treated as much like POWs as possible without granting them POW status, and so it's not that a criminal case cannot be made, but will not be made, by the Bush Admin. Official policy is they're the enemy. In the same vein, we'll never capture OBL during this administration, (he might turn up dead, not captured) and I'm pretty sure detainees are being sent back to countries of origin regardless of them facing torture.

So let me see if I understand this: It's your contention that the ones shipped off the to Eqypt are Eqyptians and the ones shipped off the Uzbekistan are Uzbeks?

Here's a Newsweek story about a German citizen of Lebanese descent picked up in Macedonia:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/022005A.shtml

A little interesting tidbit from that story:

"Among these cases is that of Manadel al-Jamadi, the Iraqi whose corpse was notoriously photographed with grinning U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib last year. An Associated Press report last week said that documents show Jamadi died under CIA interrogation while suspended by his wrists at the prison. But only the Navy SEALs who delivered him to Abu Ghraib are currently being investigated, officials say."

The Navy SEAL in question told the court he delivered a live prisoner, but doesn't deny roughing him up and his defense attorney used such an interesting argument........inadequate training. Geeez, the Navy SEALS can use the "inadequate training" as a defense, but some poor reservist in Abu Ghraib goes to jail. Whatta world.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050528/325/fjyyf.html

Another story lists the numbers of flights and the destinations:

http://www2.cbs5.com/topstories/topstories_story_065181745.html

This is being done in your name, and on your behalf, by the Bush administration. Personally, I say "No, thank you" to those gifts. Of course, YMMV.

 

[jrydberg]

Guess you can't provide a reasonable response.


Thanks for helping to make my point about Bu$h being a liar.

As usual, I guess you can't be civil. Thanks for helping to make my point.