GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[roomthreeseventeen]

via Andy Slavitt, who ran health care policy under the last presidential administration:

The good news about COVID-19 is that we are only 4 weeks away from being able to demolish it.

The bad news is we have always been 4 weeks away from being able to demolish it.

 

[sam_gordon]

I wonder where the NPR got their evidence of a potential 30% effectiveness?

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/


And that is with medical grade masks.

Masks, especially poorly worn homemade cloth masks, may reduce transmission 0%. The NPR should publish that same graphic with the left and right sides identical because that could just as well be the case.

The value I see in masks is that requiring them makes a portion of the population willing to get out and about and live their life.

So immediately under the sentence you quote...

The design of these twelve trials differed: viral circulation was usually variable; none had been conducted during a pandemic. Outcomes were defined and reported in seven different ways, making comparison difficult. It is debatable whether any of these results could be applied to the transmission of SARs-CoV-2. Only one randomised trial (n=569) included cloth masks.

 

[lovethesun12]

Is that what I said?

I said there's only one reason the virus moves - travel. I said if everyone "could" stop moving to emphasize my point. I'm guessing you assumed I meant everyone should? I didn't. I know that is impossible.

I quoted a post where someone said there are multiple reasons the virus moves from place to place. I said there aren't. It moves when people travel??? It moves when the host moves. That's it.

FTR I agree with most posts you've had and I'm not trying to be argumentative. I should have just used hypothetically in brackets after the word "could" in my post to clarify. I think lockdowns are not going to work at this point from a mental health aspect, I don't think masks should be mandated. I have my kids in ballet and hockey.

But none of that changes that the only way the virus is transmitted is through people moving around, and if people could (hypothetically) stop moving, wouldn't the virus stop as well?

 

[wombat_5606]

I wonder where the NPR got their evidence of a potential 30% effectiveness?

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/


And that is with medical grade masks.

Masks, especially poorly worn homemade cloth masks, may reduce transmission 0%. The NPR should publish that same graphic with the left and right sides identical because that could just as well be the case.

The value I see in masks is that requiring them makes a portion of the population willing to get out and about and live their life.

BINGO! That is why it is important to wear a mask. No matter what the percentage of protection is, it is better than nothing.

The 2 hairdressers in Missouri didn't transmit any virus to their 100+ customers because everyone wore a mask.

There have been many, many instances of how masks are working

If you wear a mask, even if you get Covid-19, they are seeing less severe illness.

There’s more evidence that masks can be protective — even when wearers do become infected. She cited an outbreak at a seafood plant in Oregon where employees were given masks, and 95% of those who were infected were asymptomatic.

Gandhi also cited the experience of those aboard a cruise ship that was traveling from Argentina to Antartica in March when the coronavirus infected people on board, as documented in a recent study. Passengers got surgical masks; the crew got N95 masks.

But instead of about 40% of those infected being asymptomatic — which is what would normally be expected — 81% of those testing positive were asymptomatic, and the masks may have helped reduce the severity of disease in people on board, Gandhi said.

 

[kymom99]

My state had everything "under control". They started opening up in early June. For all of June and most of July, cases stayed on a plateau. Percent positives were <3%. Over the last two weeks, cases have exploded. We've almost doubled our amount of cases (since March) in the last two weeks. I'm not sure if people let their guard down or what's going on. But, just because your (general) state has things under control now, doesn't mean that will last.

Initially our cases were in nursing care facilities. Now it’s more in the general population. So many are going on vacations. And grad parties go on every weekend around here. I honestly think if they DON’T have school it will get worse. School will get people back in a routine and keep communities more stationary. Remote learning I’m afraid will mean people will continue to travel and just take the computer with them.

 

[lovethesun12]

And "if everyone could" fly, we wouldn't need airlines. I don't mean to be snarky (ok, maybe a little).

Sigh. I quoted a poster that said there are various reasons a virus moves from place to place with no there aren't. There is only one reason - travel. Moving host.

I said if people "could" (hypothetically) to emphasize the point. I guess you think I meant people should. I didn't. But snark away if that's your preference.

 

[Jrb1979]

This virus will likely be will us for quite a while. How long do you think we should stay in place? It's really not a practical or realistic solution long term. Masks may help a bit but not like some claim. Otherwise we'd be in sports stadiums and Disney would be wide open. We don't know if a vaccine will be effective. Bill Gates is now suggesting we will need multiple doses.

You can still have the economy open with social distancing in place. Most things can work with staying 6 ft apart from others. I don't see going back to the way we lived for a long time.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

You can still have the economy open with social distancing in place. Most things can work with staying 6 ft apart from others. I don't see going back to the way we lived for a long time.

What we have learned is that you really can't have close to a full economy with social distancing. States with indoor dining, bars, etc., are still rising in virus cases.

 

[kdonnel]

So immediately under the sentence you quote...

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

Graphics like the NPR one are useless. As is the stupid one about equating mask effectiveness to peeing in ones pants.

Lets look at it from a farting perspective. Everyday people fart through several layers of under garments, several layers of pants, and people 20 feet away are repulsed by the smell. If we wore a mask on our bottoms would that smell be reduced by 30%? Perhaps the NPR should create that graphic.

 

[Jrb1979]

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

Let's not put in any measures then and let what happens happens.

 

[kymom99]

You can still have the economy open with social distancing in place. Most things can work with staying 6 ft apart from others. I don't see going back to the way we lived for a long time.

I don’t like people in my space personally. I’m fine with the 6 ft. Our Kroger has a table in the entrance with an employee and free masks. It’s getting easier around here.

 

[kymom99]

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

There’s never consensus about anything.

 

[wombat_5606]

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

Consensus isn't needed. The majority of people say masks are effective.


https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

 

[dvcgirl67]

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

Graphics like the NPR one are useless. As is the stupid one about equating mask effectiveness to peeing in ones pants.

Lets look at it from a farting perspective. Everyday people fart through several layers of under garments, several layers of pants, and people 20 feet away are repulsed by the smell. If we wore a mask on our bottoms would that smell be reduced by 30%? Perhaps the NPR should create that graphic.

Omg. Are you kidding?

 

[Christine]

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

Graphics like the NPR one are useless. As is the stupid one about equating mask effectiveness to peeing in ones pants.

Lets look at it from a farting perspective. Everyday people fart through several layers of under garments, several layers of pants, and people 20 feet away are repulsed by the smell. If we wore a mask on our bottoms would that smell be reduced by 30%? Perhaps the NPR should create that graphic.

A gas and a liquid aren't comparable. I've read someone else trying to equate respiratory droplets with farts (seems to be making its rounds on the anti-mask forums).

 

[wombat_5606]

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

Graphics like the NPR one are useless. As is the stupid one about equating mask effectiveness to peeing in ones pants.

Lets look at it from a farting perspective. Everyday people fart through several layers of under garments, several layers of pants, and people 20 feet away are repulsed by the smell. If we wore a mask on our bottoms would that smell be reduced by 30%? Perhaps the NPR should create that graphic.

Do you understand how the virus is transmitted at all? It can't be compared to a smell.

No wonder you aren't getting all of this.

 

[wombat_5606]

Correct. There is no consensus as to mask effectiveness with corona virus. None. Not any.

Graphics like the NPR one are useless. As is the stupid one about equating mask effectiveness to peeing in ones pants.

Lets look at it from a farting perspective. Everyday people fart through several layers of under garments, several layers of pants, and people 20 feet away are repulsed by the smell. If we wore a mask on our bottoms would that smell be reduced by 30%? Perhaps the NPR should create that graphic.

Perhaps you should turn off your TV and start following this guy: https://fas.org/expert/eric-feigl-ding/. Learn something while you have some free time on your hands.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Do you understand how the virus is transmitted at all? It can't be compared to a smell.

No wonder you aren't getting all of this.

I just can't anymore. Can't. We're trying to debate with people who brought up farting vs. talking/coughing. That's where we are. But, if that's where are, I guess we can go there. I'm an old nurse. Nurses talk about changing colonoscopy bags over lunch without batting an eye.

When you fart, you are releasing a gas, not droplets of any kind. Unless you have some sort of stomach bug. And then it's possible that along with the gas, well, some of your previous meal might be propelled along with it. Provided you're not running around naked, your clothing would catch the, um....poopy droplets. And keep them from contaminating/infecting others. Your garments.....are in effect, your body mask in this case.

How'd I do?

 

[wombat_5606]

I just can't anymore. Can't. We're trying to debate with people who brought up farting vs. talking/coughing. That's where we are. But, if that's where are, I guess we can go there. I'm an old nurse. Nurses talk about changing colonoscopy bags over lunch without batting an eye.

When you fart, you are releasing a gas, not droplets of any kind. Unless you have some sort of stomach bug. And then it's possible that along with the gas, well, some of your previous meal might be propelled along with it. Provided you're not running around naked, your clothing would catch the, um....poopy droplets. And keep them from contaminating/infecting others. Your garments.....are in effect, your body mask in this case.

How'd I do?

You did very well, but then I'm not sure our poster will be able to understand this either.

I got off the DISboards for a few weeks because it's like screaming into the wind. I decide to come back and we seem to have made very little progress. I'm beginning to question why I would want to vacation on Disney property if these are the people I would encounter. I understand it takes all kinds to make the world, but I just never thought that a pandemic would bring out the people who can't or won't comprehend grade school science.

I know must of these deniers won't believe they are the reason our economy is trashed either. It would be so simple to knock this virus to a manageable level and grow our economy slowly back to a livable level, but it is beyond some people.

 

[SaintsManiac]

You did very well, but then I'm not sure our poster will be able to understand this either.

I got off the DISboards for a few weeks because it's like screaming into the wind. I decide to come back and we seem to have made very little progress. I'm beginning to question why I would want to vacation on Disney property if these are the people I would encounter. I understand it takes all kinds to make the world, but I just never thought that a pandemic would bring out the people who can't or won't comprehend grade school science.

I now must of these deniers won't believe they are the reason our economy is trashed either. It would be so simple to knock this virus to a manageable level and grow our economy slowly back to a livable level, but it is beyond some people.

This is why I won't send my kid to school. I simply do not trust the people in my community. They have proven to be incredibly ignorant about this virus, among other things.