GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[RamblingMad]

thats 3-4% known cdc is estimating much higher closer to 8-9% on average. Which yes some places will be higher than others.

the situation can prove to be more , less or the same in severity as expected. We just don’t know what the coming months will prove.

That's what it's locally by me in AZ, so we have a long way to go with infections. It's only going to get worse from here.

 

[Southernmiss]

There have been polls to show that political leanings do skew on topics like masks and the seriousness of covid 19.

 

[GreatLakes]

What I would like to know is, WHY hasn't the CDC, or any local health agency begun sending out messaging about what people can do NOW and into the future to improve their overall health and immunity? I mean, at this point, Vitamin D deficiency, obesity, and diabetes are KNOWN MAJOR risk factors for this virus and every one of them is PREVENTABLE (with the exception of T1 diabetes). Where is the messaging to eat a healthy, balanced diet, take a multivitamin with D, and get some daily exercise? These messages should be out there along with the mask, hand washing, and social distancing pleas.

I am getting so tired of seeing headlines of "healthy" people dying from Covid only to find a laundry list of their ailments or a photo showing an obese individual in the article itself. These headlines mislead people into believing that everyone is vulnerable to the same degree.

We have a lot of influence in how our bodies handle this virus and that narrative needs to start being told too. At this point, I feel like Americans (collectively) have just thrown up their hands and said "it's out of my hands, so be it." No. Get yourself as healthy as you can and start right now. It's never too late.

Vitamin D deficiency is a big one. People are so afraid of the sun yet it is the mechanism for production of this very important hormone. Don't get burned but get out there and get some sun while you can.

Obesity is out of control but even more shocking is the number of normal weight people with too much visceral fat. The "overfat" pandemic is far more deadly than the Covid pandemic and contributes to the severity of the later.

Just like we have been wrongly conditioned to be afraid of the Sun we've also been stuck in this "fat makes you fat" myth for going on 50 years. We don't eat enough healthy fat and eat way too many sugars.

The stuff we feed our children is borderline child abuse. People act shocked and surprised that our 3 year old gets avocados and tomatos at snack time, eats salmon when we eat salmon, and doesn't drink pop. At his prior daycare they practically fainted when we said he doesn't get juice at snack time, he gets water.

The article linked above includes the following:

Among 8,089 hospitalized adults with information on underlying medical conditions, 91% had at least one reported underlying medical condition. The most commonly reported were hypertension, obesity, chronic metabolic disease, and cardiovascular disease. Among 158 hospitalized children with information on underlying conditions, 53.2% had at least one reported underlying medical condition. The most commonly reported were obesity, asthma, and neurologic conditions.

All of those in the adults are preventable though some in the children likely had to be addressed in their parents years before they were even conceived.The previously mentioned lack of healthy fats and abundance of carbs has made our mitochondrial health garbage, that's why we see so many metabolic issues. Then, as soon as we have a problem we throw a pill or pills at it instead of just changing our behavior. Why are so many children being born with allergies and asthma and how much of our lifestyle makes it worse?

Why we don't hear about it is partly fatigue because we have been ignoring good advice for years looking for the lazy, quick fix. The other sad truth is there is a lot of political backing behind some of the very industries that make us Ill. Everyone has to do some research and take control of their health and their children's health. If you wait for the government, agriculture, or pharmaceutical industries to do it for you you will died (much earlier than you should) waiting.

Maybe we deserve this since we out ourselves in a place to be so susceptible .

 

[jlwhitney]

That's what it's locally by me in AZ, so we have a long way to go with infections. It's only going to get worse from here.

time will tell , many drs are seeing less severe infections in all ages, they know they can’t bank on it yet but it’s something they are watching and studying, plus we have made improvements in treating already and hopefully will continue to

 

[RamblingMad]

Vitamin D deficiency is a big one. People are so afraid of the sun yet it is the mechanism for production of this very important hormone. Don't get burned but get out there and get some sun while you can.

I live in AZ, and I'm vitamin D deficient. So I supplement. I get plenty of sun, so it's not as simple as getting sun.

 

[Christine]

Vitamin D deficiency is a big one. People are so afraid of the sun yet it is the mechanism for production of this very important hormone. Don't get burned but get out there and get some sun while you can.

Obesity is out of control but even more shocking is the number of normal weight people with too much visceral fat. The "overfat" pandemic is far more deadly than the Covid pandemic and contributes to the severity of the later.

Just like we have been wrongly conditioned to be afraid of the Sun we've also been stuck in this "fat makes you fat" myth for going on 50 years. We don't eat enough healthy fat and eat way too many sugars.

The stuff we feed our children is borderline child abuse. People act shocked and surprised that our 3 year old gets avocados and tomatos at snack time, eats salmon when we eat salmon, and doesn't drink pop. At his prior daycare they practically fainted when we said he doesn't get juice at snack time, he gets water.

Re: the bolded. Anyone remember the outrage when a former first lady tried to overhaul school lunches for children to try to combat some of the unhealthy eating out there. The mocking and sneering (derision) over the White House vegetable garden? I do.

 

[sam_gordon]

Get yourself as healthy as you can and start right now. It's never too late.

Oh, if it were only that easy.

 

[GreatLakes]

Re: the bolded. Anyone remember the outrage when a former first lady tried to overhaul school lunches for children to try to combat some of the unhealthy eating out there. The mocking and sneering (derision) over the White House vegetable garden? I do.

I do. It was a good cause but unfortunately in our political climate no one on the other side of the aisle (and I mean either direction) can ever have a good idea but that is a whole different thread.

I also remember the government deciding cheese pizza and ketchup counted towards the daily vegetable minimum which is laughable.

 

[Christine]

I also remember the government deciding cheese pizza and ketchup counted towards the daily vegetable minimum which is laughable.

Yep. Is it any wonder that we can be pretty unhealthy and just not even realize it.

 

[DLgal]

Maybe there is a lot of emphasis on obesity, because we have a huge problem with that in this country, but the statistics show a number of conditions that lead to hospitalizations that I defy you to fix by your diet or behavior.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

That is why I only mentioned three preexisting conditions. I know many of them are not lifestyle issues, although some are, such as high blood pressure (strongly linked to poor diet and obesity, although I recognize there are genetic tendencies towards HBP as well). In addition, "cardiovascular disease" is largely the product of lifestyle choices as well (smoking, drinking, inactivity).

The point is, Americans are generally not healthy, because our medical system focuses more on treatment than prevention. That needs to change.

 

[DLgal]

I live in AZ, and I'm vitamin D deficient. So I supplement. I get plenty of sun, so it's not as simple as getting sun.

This just goes to show how important adequate testing and supplementation is. Many adults don't get an annual physical with bloodwork. Many doctors don't particularly screen for Vit D levels, especially in men. Dark skinned individuals are at even greater risk for D deficiency, which may explain the large proportion of African American and Hispanic hospitalizations and deaths.

Can you imagine, if YOU are deficient living in AZ, what does that say for people living in the northeast and midwest, where daily sun can't be counted on year round?

I live in Orange county, CA. I go outside every day, year round. I go Vitamin D deficient without supplementing with a 2,000IU pill daily.

Everyone needs to be aware of this issue. It is a HUGE part of your immune response.

 

[DLgal]

Oh, if it were only that easy.

Who said it was supposed to be easy?

 

[DLgal]

The CDC just revised the "highest risk" category to adjust BMI DOWN to 30 from 40.

30. 30 is the lower limit of the "obesity" definition. I am sitting just 20 pounds away from that myself, as an active, otherwise healthy 41 year old woman.

If that isn't enough to wake people up, I don't know what is.

And yes, I recognize the limits of BMI, but that is the metric being used in the medical guidance as it relates to Covid and risk for poor outcomes.

 

[RamblingMad]

This just goes to show how important adequate testing and supplementation is. Many adults don't get an annual physical with bloodwork. Many doctors don't particularly screen for Vit D levels, especially in men. Dark skinned individuals are at even greater risk for D deficiency, which may explain the large proportion of African American and Hispanic hospitalizations and deaths.

Can you imagine, if YOU are deficient living in AZ, what does that say for people living in the northeast and midwest, where daily sun can't be counted on year round?

I live in Orange county, CA. I go outside every day, year round. I go Vitamin D deficient without supplementing with a 2,000IU pill daily.

Everyone needs to be aware of this issue. It is a HUGE part of your immune response.

You have to be tested. Don’t assume you’re not.

 

[wombat_5606]

That is why I only mentioned three preexisting conditions. I know many of them are not lifestyle issues, although some are, such as high blood pressure (strongly linked to poor diet and obesity, although I recognize there are genetic tendencies towards HBP as well). In addition, "cardiovascular disease" is largely the product of lifestyle choices as well (smoking, drinking, inactivity).

The point is, Americans are generally not healthy, because our medical system focuses more on treatment than prevention. That needs to change.

I will agree that Americans aren't healthy, but there are a lot of issues that are affecting covid patients that aren't in those lifestyle categories, just based on my link from Florida last week.

An individual affected with one of those conditions not lifestyle related, can also be suffering from a lifestyle issue like obesity or HBP. It comes from the stress of their other issues.

I just think we shouldn't focus too much on why people are susceptible to covid and work on trying to suppress the spread of covid, so those people or any others don't have to suffer.

 

[kymom99]

The CDC just revised the "highest risk" category to adjust BMI DOWN to 30 from 40.

30. 30 is the lower limit of the "obesity" definition. I am sitting just 20 pounds away from that myself, as an active, otherwise healthy 41 year old woman.

If that isn't enough to wake people up, I don't know what is.

And yes, I recognize the limits of BMI, but that is the metric being used in the medical guidance as it relates to Covid and risk for poor outcomes.

My husband is 59. He has hypothyroidism and high blood pressure that he takes medication for. A few years ago he was diagnosed with allergies to wheat, nuts, and shrimp that cause an autoimmune condition. He has cut all those things out of his diet. Since then he has lost some weight although he was never obese. But the most remarkable thing is his BP is completely normal. He still takes the meds for now but I believe the wheat he was eating before contributed to the blood pressure being high. He still salts his food excessively and drinks Mountain Dew like a drunken sailor. So it has to be the Highly processed wheat he used to eat, which studies have been showing causes inflammation in the body.

 

[DLgal]

You have to be tested. Don’t assume you’re not.

Yup. My doctor tests every year. My level last October was 34. It has gone as low as 11 in the past.

 

[georgina]

Well, I'm definitely overweight, have high blood pressure, asthma, am taking vitamin D, and getting close to age 60. I do exercise and eat a pretty healthy diet, but we are being cautious.

My county (Allegheny/Pittsburgh), after reopening restaurants to 50%, salons, gyms, 3 weeks ago, is now seeing cases go rapidly up. A couple of days with 40 cases, then one with 60, a couple of 90 cases days, yesterday 83, so they closed not only all the bars, but won't even allow restaurants to serve alcohol to dinner guests. That seemed a bit extreme even to me, their resasoning sounds something like what you would tell your daughter going to a frat party - alcohol decreases inhibitions and makes people do stupid things! I live fairly close to a neighboring county and I don't think they are following suit, so it may not help.

 

[Jrb1979]

I live in Ontario Canada and our restaurants are only allowed to open patios. Why can't they make that the rule for now?

I really hope Florida and Texas do more to get this under control. They really need to go back a step. That includes closing theme parks. If nothing is done this is just going to get out of control. Tourism money will only come in if tourists want to come. With cases rising many will just stay home.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

NJ just cancelled their indoor dining start date, and NYC seems headed there, and we have VERY few cases at all.