GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[dvcgirl67]

If you haven't lost all faith in humanity, then by the end of this virus outbreak, you will.

I'm having that kind of weekend too RamblingMad. It's just not great. But, let's stay tough....we'll all get through this.

 

[RamblingMad]

I'm having that kind of weekend too RamblingMad. It's just not great. But, let's stay tough....we'll all get through this.

And RV sales are through the roof. I wonder where the UFO sightings are at that everyone needs a RV to see.

 

[dvcgirl67]

And RV sales are through the roof. I wonder where the UFO sightings are at that everyone needs a RV to see.

Ha...another "pandemic phenomenon". RVs....backyard pools....vegetable gardens (I put one of those in)....etc. The problem is that half of us...or less, are following the rules, the other half....not so much.

 

[RamblingMad]

Ha...another "pandemic phenomenon". RVs....backyard pools....vegetable gardens (I put one of those in)....etc. The problem is that half of us...or less, are following the rules, the other half....not so much.

The other half is spreading conspiracy theories, buying all of the toilet paper, and trying to find UFOs in their new RVs. And of course, the bread making. I still can't wrap my head around this one.

 

[Jrb1979]

If you haven't lost all faith in humanity, then by the end of this virus outbreak, you will.

I already have lost faith in most people. A lot of it is seen on these boards. Its sad to see so many people downplay Covid-19 and looking at anyway they can do make Florida's cases rising as ok. Their Disney trip is more important then this virus. As a Canadian I am very concerned with how many people just don't care.

 

[Planogirl]

I haven't lost faith in people. Half of them are idiots and jerks but I'm pinning my hopes on the other half. We just don't see each other much because we're following the recommendations.

 

[Christine]

I haven't lost faith in people. Half of them are idiots and jerks but I'm pinning my hopes on the other half. We just don't see each other much because we're following the recommendations.

I feel like the idiot-to-normal ratio has increased. There's always been idiots, fringe conspiracy theorists, bravado rednecks, and the like; but they've been "encouraged" for lack of a better word. 50:50 ratio of stupid to normal doesn't make me feel good at all. Stupid should be much lower.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I feel like the idiot-to-normal ratio has increased. There's always been idiots, fringe conspiracy theorists, bravado rednecks, and the like; but they've been "encouraged" for lack of a better word. 50:50 ratio of stupid to normal doesn't make me feel good at all. Stupid should be much lower.

I'm not sure if the ratio has increased. I think that they're just a lot louder these days. Anyone who is prone to snapping during this time....is snapping on a regular basis. I've seen in with friends/acquaintances in my own life. I expect it to get worse, not better as we make our way through our dystopian summer and move into the fall. All that I can say....if they is "great", they can have it.

 

[AndreaA]

Does anyone actually follow the numbers and the CDC and actual deaths and hospitalizations?

CLEARLY Florida has a serious problem keeping idiot young people from co-mingling. However, despite new cases in the thousands, their deaths remain in the low double digits - and the spike in cases started almost two weeks ago.

The CDC currently estimates an overall fatality rate of .4%. That is about 4x greater than the flu. HOWEVER, that number is hugely inflated by the much larger fatality rate for those over 75. Under 65, and then under 55, the fatality rate drops to BELOW the flu rate. Oh, and these numbers were generated by the CDC in late April. Just this past week there has been emerging data that the number of cases is likely 24X greater than what is reported, which would push the fatality rate much lower.

Now I am not saying that this is not serious. I was among the first in my area to lobby for shutting things down and wearing masks and staying home. We knew nothing about this virus except that people were dropping like flies. It’s been months since then and while we still don’t know everything, we certainly know a lot more than we did and we also have better treatment methods.

I don’t think people should be gathering in huge groups. I think people should be socially distancing. I think people should still be wearing masks when they can. But I’m also not freaking out and judging people who don’t feel the same way. Technically speaking, this is going to probably turn out to be an extremely serious virus for the elderly and basically nothing more than the flu for everyone else. Our focus SHOULD BE on protecting the most vulnerable, not in policing some dad in a park with his kids, or a group of Orthodox Jews in an open area trying to hold a service, or virtue signaling our own righteous social distancing.

 

[Christine]

Does anyone actually follow the numbers and the CDC and actual deaths and hospitalizations?

CLEARLY Florida has a serious problem keeping idiot young people from co-mingling. However, despite new cases in the thousands, their deaths remain in the low double digits - and the spike in cases started almost two weeks ago.

Yes, I think most of here are visiting the CDC site as well as various state Department of Health websites.

The only thing I have to say in response to your post is that while I agree that it's a good sign that death rates are low and dropping, we also know that deaths and the resulting rate have a significant lag time following new cases. Florida and other states have a lot of new cases. It will be weeks before we see a corresponding death rate for the surge in new cases. It may not even be the young that die in this cohort of the surge. Probably won't be. We already know that, in general, they fare better. But they also have families they go home to and they also "get around town" so to speak more than any other group. Seniors are mainly locking themselves up, but they still have to go grocery shopping, go out to medical appointments, pharmacies, etc. Some of them live in assisted living facilities where the infected young go to work every day in those facilities.

So, I generally don't think we are out of the woods yet with the death rates for these states. We probably won't know the outcome of this until late July or early August.

 

[jlwhitney]

Does anyone actually follow the numbers and the CDC and actual deaths and hospitalizations?

CLEARLY Florida has a serious problem keeping idiot young people from co-mingling. However, despite new cases in the thousands, their deaths remain in the low double digits - and the spike in cases started almost two weeks ago.

The CDC currently estimates an overall fatality rate of .4%. That is about 4x greater than the flu. HOWEVER, that number is hugely inflated by the much larger fatality rate for those over 75. Under 65, and then under 55, the fatality rate drops to BELOW the flu rate. Oh, and these numbers were generated by the CDC in late April. Just this past week there has been emerging data that the number of cases is likely 24X greater than what is reported, which would push the fatality rate much lower.

Now I am not saying that this is not serious. I was among the first in my area to lobby for shutting things down and wearing masks and staying home. We knew nothing about this virus except that people were dropping like flies. It’s been months since then and while we still don’t know everything, we certainly know a lot more than we did and we also have better treatment methods.

I don’t think people should be gathering in huge groups. I think people should be socially distancing. I think people should still be wearing masks when they can. But I’m also not freaking out and judging people who don’t feel the same way. Technically speaking, this is going to probably turn out to be an extremely serious virus for the elderly and basically nothing more than the flu for everyone else. Our focus SHOULD BE on protecting the most vulnerable, not in policing some dad in a park with his kids, or a group of Orthodox Jews in an open area trying to hold a service, or virtue signaling our own righteous social distancing.

The spike started 3 weeks ago. I do agree that the bulk of the spike is young party goers at bars, I think some people forgot what they tend to act like at bars. Its not just they don't spread out they are also often sharing drinks, kissing, and so on.

I agree the focus needs to be on protecting the vulnerable, which for the majority of them is older that are retired so that makes it easier in the sense of jobs. There will always be outliers in every group just like with every other illness.

Even in the end of May CDC restated the fatality rate and it was in the media but many seemed to gloss over it.

 

[Searc]

I haven't lost faith in people. Half of them are idiots and jerks but I'm pinning my hopes on the other half. We just don't see each other much because we're following the recommendations.

It won't work with only half the people doing the necessary work.

 

[jlwhitney]

Yes, I think most of here are visiting the CDC site as well as various state Department of Health websites.

The only thing I have to say in response to your post is that while I agree that it's a good sign that death rates are low and dropping, we also know that deaths and the resulting rate have a significant lag time following new cases. Florida and other states have a lot of new cases. It will be weeks before we see a corresponding death rate for the surge in new cases. It may not even be the young that die in this cohort of the surge. Probably won't be. We already know that, in general, they fare better. But they also have families they go home to and they also "get around town" so to speak more than any other group. Seniors are mainly locking themselves up, but they still have to go grocery shopping, go out to medical appointments, pharmacies, etc. Some of them live in assisted living facilities where the infected young go to work every day in those facilities.

So, I generally don't think we are out of the woods yet with the death rates for these states. We probably won't know the outcome of this until late July or early August.

High risk parents/grand parents also have the choice to limit who they see. We have so many services now that make it easier for them to limit contact with the public. A little harder if they live with the younger, but then they as family need to determine what risk level they want to accept.

 

[adkkev]

Does anyone actually follow the numbers and the CDC and actual deaths and hospitalizations?

CLEARLY Florida has a serious problem keeping idiot young people from co-mingling. However, despite new cases in the thousands, their deaths remain in the low double digits - and the spike in cases started almost two weeks ago.

The CDC currently estimates an overall fatality rate of .4%. That is about 4x greater than the flu. HOWEVER, that number is hugely inflated by the much larger fatality rate for those over 75. Under 65, and then under 55, the fatality rate drops to BELOW the flu rate. Oh, and these numbers were generated by the CDC in late April. Just this past week there has been emerging data that the number of cases is likely 24X greater than what is reported, which would push the fatality rate much lower.

Now I am not saying that this is not serious. I was among the first in my area to lobby for shutting things down and wearing masks and staying home. We knew nothing about this virus except that people were dropping like flies. It’s been months since then and while we still don’t know everything, we certainly know a lot more than we did and we also have better treatment methods.

I don’t think people should be gathering in huge groups. I think people should be socially distancing. I think people should still be wearing masks when they can. But I’m also not freaking out and judging people who don’t feel the same way. Technically speaking, this is going to probably turn out to be an extremely serious virus for the elderly and basically nothing more than the flu for everyone else. Our focus SHOULD BE on protecting the most vulnerable, not in policing some dad in a park with his kids, or a group of Orthodox Jews in an open area trying to hold a service, or virtue signaling our own righteous social distancing.

so ... how do you propose we “protect our most vulnerable“? And ... “nothing more than the flu“? We really don’t know what the long term effects of this virus are, there are reports of it compromising various organs in the body, etc. Just wondering what your thoughts are on these ... thanks.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Does anyone actually follow the numbers and the CDC and actual deaths and hospitalizations?

CLEARLY Florida has a serious problem keeping idiot young people from co-mingling. However, despite new cases in the thousands, their deaths remain in the low double digits - and the spike in cases started almost two weeks ago.

The CDC currently estimates an overall fatality rate of .4%. That is about 4x greater than the flu. HOWEVER, that number is hugely inflated by the much larger fatality rate for those over 75. Under 65, and then under 55, the fatality rate drops to BELOW the flu rate. Oh, and these numbers were generated by the CDC in late April. Just this past week there has been emerging data that the number of cases is likely 24X greater than what is reported, which would push the fatality rate much lower.

Now I am not saying that this is not serious. I was among the first in my area to lobby for shutting things down and wearing masks and staying home. We knew nothing about this virus except that people were dropping like flies. It’s been months since then and while we still don’t know everything, we certainly know a lot more than we did and we also have better treatment methods.

I don’t think people should be gathering in huge groups. I think people should be socially distancing. I think people should still be wearing masks when they can. But I’m also not freaking out and judging people who don’t feel the same way. Technically speaking, this is going to probably turn out to be an extremely serious virus for the elderly and basically nothing more than the flu for everyone else. Our focus SHOULD BE on protecting the most vulnerable, not in policing some dad in a park with his kids, or a group of Orthodox Jews in an open area trying to hold a service, or virtue signaling our own righteous social distancing.

If only so many American weren't such selfish @#$% we could open up without an issue! But the whole "its my right to not wear a mask" crowd is killing that option. It so frustrating to me how easy it would be to do this right but we as a country just cant get past ourselves.

 

[Searc]

Does anyone actually follow the numbers and the CDC and actual deaths and hospitalizations?

CLEARLY Florida has a serious problem keeping idiot young people from co-mingling. However, despite new cases in the thousands, their deaths remain in the low double digits - and the spike in cases started almost two weeks ago.

The CDC currently estimates an overall fatality rate of .4%. That is about 4x greater than the flu. HOWEVER, that number is hugely inflated by the much larger fatality rate for those over 75. Under 65, and then under 55, the fatality rate drops to BELOW the flu rate. Oh, and these numbers were generated by the CDC in late April. Just this past week there has been emerging data that the number of cases is likely 24X greater than what is reported, which would push the fatality rate much lower.

Now I am not saying that this is not serious. I was among the first in my area to lobby for shutting things down and wearing masks and staying home. We knew nothing about this virus except that people were dropping like flies. It’s been months since then and while we still don’t know everything, we certainly know a lot more than we did and we also have better treatment methods.

I don’t think people should be gathering in huge groups. I think people should be socially distancing. I think people should still be wearing masks when they can. But I’m also not freaking out and judging people who don’t feel the same way. Technically speaking, this is going to probably turn out to be an extremely serious virus for the elderly and basically nothing more than the flu for everyone else. Our focus SHOULD BE on protecting the most vulnerable, not in policing some dad in a park with his kids, or a group of Orthodox Jews in an open area trying to hold a service, or virtue signaling our own righteous social distancing.

You lose all credibility as soon as you say this is nothing worse than the flu.
What you are really saying is you want *your* life to go back to normal but the vulnerable need to be kept at home so you aren't inconvenienced.

 

[Christine]

High risk parents/grand parents also have the choice to limit who they see. We have so many services now that make it easier for them to limit contact with the public. A little harder if they live with the younger, but then they as family need to determine what risk level they want to accept.

And then there's people like me. I'm not "elderly" yet. I don't consider myself high risk. But I'm of an age where any illness I get these day just doesn't seem to shrug off easily like it did in my 20s. I got the flu about 4 years ago and it wasn't pretty...at all. And it took me a long time to recover.

I still have to go to work (or eventually I will) and that work will bring me in contact with the partiers. I'm still young enough that I want to go out to eat, I want to get my haircut, I want to go on vacation, I want to continue working in my job. But I don't want to catch this virus until we have some antivirals that can reduce the time one has it and the symptoms one gets. My coworker (in her 40s) has the virus and was sick for 5 weeks, 8 days in which she had to stay in the hospital. She had no underlying conditions.

I know the virus is not going away, it's always out there. I guess I'm just a little angry that people are behaving recklessly and allowing communities be "overseeded" with the virus so that it makes it very difficult for everyone else to safely get out there and just do their business. It doesn't have to be that way: One group gets to party and everyone over 50 feels like they have to hide in the house? There's a way for everyone to be able to get out.

 

[NotGrumpyButPrettyClose]

We shall see, but what made the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak so terrible was that the original virus that spread in the Spring mutated. It became much deadlier in the second wave that hit in the Fall.

 

[Brett Wyman]

We shall see, but what made the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak so terrible was that the original virus that spread in the Spring mutated. It became much deadlier in the second wave that hit in the Fall.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...tions-to-sars-cov-2-increase-transmissibility
Early reports are that that will not be an issue with COVID.

 

[bethbuchall]

so ... how do you propose we “protect our most vulnerable“? And ... “nothing more than the flu“? We really don’t know what the long term effects of this virus are, there are reports of it compromising various organs in the body, etc. Just wondering what your thoughts are on these ... thanks.

Yes to the last part! Everyone seems to talk death rates as if there is nothing between perfectly fine and dead. I'd rather not have life long breathing issues, kidney issues, etc. and we don't know enough or hear enough about long-term complications yet to just breeze by a "low" death rate.