GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[lovethesun12]

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[rabidstoat]

The showers earlier may be part of the reason. Lots of people leave as soon as it starts to rain.

And when it's not raining, there's the heat. Someone posted that there's a heat advisory in Orlando and that the heat index was up to 328,000-- oops, slight exaggeration, it was up to something like 110 this afternoon. Insane heat + humidity + masks = not magical.

 

[cakebaker]

The showers earlier may be part of the reason. Lots of people leave as soon as it starts to rain.

On opening day with shorter hours? I doubt many will leave early. Preview attendance was very low as well.

 

[koszmok]

I`ve been asked and pointed to this forum because I wanted to post some new data from CDC.

It`s about the real death rate of COVID. For comparison the seasonal flu death rate typically is 0.1 % in US ( according to news reports)

I don`t want to start conversations, arguments and don`t want to receive offensive replays just want to post the link because this data is not on every media, news outlet or anywhere ...

so it`s just FYI

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.

www.cdc.gov

and here is another article which helps to interpret the numbers

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-where-media?utm_campaign=Daily Newsletter: Horowitz: The CDC Confirms Remarkably Low Coronavirus Death Rate. Where is the Media? (Uq5dzc)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily Newsletter&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJrYXRlLnBpcGVyMTFAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSzJ2WEF5In0=

 

[lovethesun12]

I`ve been asked and pointed to this forum because I wanted to post some new data from CDC.

It`s about the real death rate of COVID. For comparison the seasonal flu death rate typically is 0.1 % in US ( according to news reports)

I don`t want to start conversations, arguments and don`t want to receive offensive replays just want to post the link because this data is not on every media, news outlet or anywhere ...

so it`s just FYI

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.

www.cdc.gov

and here is another article which helps to interpret the numbers

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-where-media?utm_campaign=Daily Newsletter: Horowitz: The CDC Confirms Remarkably Low Coronavirus Death Rate. Where is the Media? (Uq5dzc)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily Newsletter&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJrYXRlLnBpcGVyMTFAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSzJ2WEF5In0=

So on media bias fact check, fox news gets mostly factual but right biased, cnn gets mostly factual but left biased, your second source gets low factual reporting and the "quackery" pseudo science level...

The issue isn't today's rate in florida anyway. If it stayed exactly the same and they get 0 cases tomorrow and this is as far as it goes they will manage it. But, guaranteed, you will get 10,000+ cases again tomorrow. That's the problem - the virus grows exponentially. The problem isn't the rate today, it's the rate in 2/3/4 weeks time...

I'm not saying it will be out of control. No one knows what could happen. It's just that that is what it did in Italy, New York, so it seems like it could also do that in Florida...

 

[koszmok]

So on media bias fact check, fox news gets mostly factual but right biased, cnn gets mostly factual but left biased, your second source gets low factual reporting and the "quackery" pseudo science level...

The point was that the data comes from CDC.


The second source just an article.


As I said only FYI . Don`t want to start anything just share some info.



Enjoy your Saturday!

 

[lovethesun12]

The point was that the data comes from CDC.


The second source just an article.


As I said only FYI . Don`t want to start anything just share some info.



Enjoy your Saturday!

Same to you.

 

[koszmok]

That’s what @wombat_5606 is saying. That if we’re seeing these deaths today, only imagine how bad it’s going to be when we see the deaths attributed to 11,000 cases a day.

IF the majority of those 11.000 cases are young people (under 50) the number of death won`t be that many based on known statistics/experiences.

IF the majority of those 11.000 cases are older people especially over 85 there will be more death.

The fresh CDC article put the death rate generally 0.26 % .

We know that there are much more positive cases than identified positive cases though...

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

IF the majority of those 11.000 cases are young people (under 50) the number of death won`t be that many based on known statistics/experiences.

IF the majority of those 11.000 cases are older people especially over 85 there will be more death.

The fresh CDC article put the death rate generally 0.26 % .

We know that there are much more positive cases than identified positive cases though...

True. Unless those 11,000 young people expose other people maybe not as young and then all bets are off. It’s a big gamble to assume the cases will only stay among the young.

 

[TLSnell1981]

True. Unless those 11,000 young people expose other people maybe not as young and then all bets are off. It’s a big gamble to assume the cases will only stay among the young.

There was a time when we quarantined the sick...not the healthy.

 

[koszmok]

True. Unless those 11,000 young people expose other people maybe not as young and then all bets are off. It’s a big gamble to assume the cases will only stay among the young.

True. I for one wouldn`t go to hug and kiss even meet with an elderly relative.
I think shielding is a way to go IF possible...

 

[gwynne]

There was a time when we quarantined the sick...not the healthy.

Might be that many folks would rather mask and socially distance rather than roll the dice with disease.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

There was a time when we quarantined the sick...not the healthy.

I’m not saying anything about quarantining the healthy. All I’m saying is with 11,000 positive cases a day, spread anywhere is easier than at 3,000 cases a day. I’m not saying anybody will knowingly and willingly infect anybody else, but the sheer nature of this virus means it’ll be easier to transmit in greater numbers across the board. That will include more vulnerable people. So while I think the “passing it grandma” argument is ridiculous, so is believing that just because young people have it today, that’s the way it will stay.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Might be that many folks would rather mask and socially distance rather than roll the dice with disease.

What does that have to do with quarantining healthy people?

 

[TomServo27]

What does that have to do with quarantining healthy people?

Who is healthy?

 

[kymom99]

What does that have to do with quarantining healthy people?

I’m not in quarantine

 

[gotomu212]

IF the majority of those 11.000 cases are young people (under 50) the number of death won`t be that many based on known statistics/experiences.

IF the majority of those 11.000 cases are older people especially over 85 there will be more death.

The fresh CDC article put the death rate generally 0.26 % .

We know that there are much more positive cases than identified positive cases though...

The one “upside” to this whole situation is the guesses and estimates don’t take long to prove or disprove. In about 4-6 weeks we’ll have death numbers out of Florida, Texas, and Arizona and will see if the theories about younger people/better treatment/warmer weather (whatever people are spinning) is true or not.

Not directing at PP, but there were so many things thrown about in March about how the US would be able to treat it better, that it wouldn’t kill more people than the flu, that as soon as warm weather got here we’d be fine- that were presented as almost certainties that have all proven false. The early models that people cited as widely inflated turned out to dramatically undercount (remember 80k deaths by August?).

I get that we cling to hope, and we are all desperate for this to be over and worried about the health and economic affects, but I don’t understand those (in the political/medical/media) that seem so certain over and over when they have been wrong every single time. I’m hoping for the very best, but just based on what happened the last 4 months once this hits exponential growth, I think we’re about to break optimistic estimates again.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

I think the mortality rate will get marginally lower, because the age of people getting sick is a lot lower. Whether those people are going to be chronically or permanently ill, we don't know.

 

[sam_gordon]

There was a time when we quarantined the sick...not the healthy.

How do you know who is sick and who is healthy? Pretty sure most with positive tests ARE quarantined.

 

[kymom99]

Kentucky numbers are on the rise. Not crazy yet but it’s worrisome.