GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[Jrb1979]

We’ve largely stopped hearing about things like this - details on cases and the various ways people are affected. I think it was helpful when anecdotal information was being discussed more. Now we’re all just out here with “numbers” being parsed a million different ways and the situation is becoming more and more ideological/political while we lose any sense of the reality of it.

I blame the numbers part on the fact so many find ways to make the numbers look good. I think they do that and try to get others to believe it cause they are afraid of going back into lockdown. IMO what should be going on is if numbers start spiking like they have in Florida, you put back restrictions. Cut restaurant capacity or limit to patios. Make masks mandatory. The way I look at it is all businesses should have the same social distancing measures as Universal and Disney do. None of that is hard to do. Instead many just want to get back to work without doing it safely.

 

[Jrb1979]

Its become fully political. They have also run out of things to spread fear because most of what they used has been seen to not be as big of an issue as made it out to be. The sad part is this reminds of the story of the boy who cried wolf, except it is the media. One day, who knows when there will be some real and big threat and the damage will be done and no one will really listen.

Perspective has been lost by so many. Worldwide there hasn't even been even 1/2 million deaths of a world wide population of over 7 BILLION people. We are also no where even close to having 1 percent world wide test positive. Same with the US. Yes it is real, and yes ever death means something to someone, but thousands die every day in the US for all reasons and those matter too but right now people act like those don't either and many of them could be claimed to be prevented. Life has a risk of death associated and in the end people need to determine what level they are comfortable with and live and work.

The vast majority do want to open and go back to work. The problem comes in that for some reason many want to downplay Covid-19 and don't want the safety measures in place. I have seen it posted in other places where people say we should not worry social distancing and let what happens happen.

 

[shelemm]

most of what they used has been seen to not be as big of an issue as made it out to be.

On May 31, we hit 100,000 deaths, and 22 days later we are at 122,000. So, during a period of reduced transmissiveness, we are still hitting 1,000 deaths per day in June. Who knows, maybe we will reach zero cases pretty soon?

I am not very good at predicting the future, but I am excellent at predicting the past. I don't like what I've seen, and I don't feel relaxed about it.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I blame the numbers part on the fact so many find ways to make the numbers look good. I think they do that and try to get others to believe it cause they are afraid of going back into lockdown. IMO what should be going on is if numbers start spiking like they have in Florida, you put back restrictions. Cut restaurant capacity or limit to patios. Make masks mandatory. The way I look at it is all businesses should have the same social distancing measures as Universal and Disney do. None of that is hard to do. Instead many just want to get back to work without doing it safely.

I don’t know that that’s true. There has been a shift in the news coverage over the weekend from talks about spikes and overrun ICUs to just talks about states with rising cases. The headlines this morning aren’t nearly as dire as they were last week.

And as more young people get infected, the death rate is dropping. Yesterday the death rate in the US was 250. Even the average of 700 is way down from the numbers in April/May. Now, we’ll have to watch the death rate in the next few weeks, as it lags from cases, but it is possible, that the US has seen the worse in that marker (for this wave).

I agree with you masks should be required, but I think some people want to make the numbers worse than they are and continue to only want to look at positive cases alone. That can’t be the leading indicator! Short of the virus going away, this is actually the best scenario. More people getting it, but hospitalizations and deaths continuing to trend downward.

 

[jlwhitney]

On May 31, we hit 100,000 deaths, and 22 days later we are at 122,000. So, during a period of reduced transmissiveness, we are still hitting 1,000 deaths per day in June. Who knows, maybe we will reach zero cases pretty soon?

I am not very good at predicting the future, but I am excellent at predicting the past. I don't like what I've seen, and I don't feel relaxed about it.

The not as big of an issue things were like with ventilators and such. And yes just about every bad thing that got played out in the news about it has fizzled away.

We are not hitting 1k death every day anymore haven't hit 1k or over since beginning of june, death rate has been steadily dropping for months.

 

[jlwhitney]

I don’t know that that’s true. There has been a shift in the news coverage over the weekend from talks about spikes and overrun ICUs to just talks about states with rising cases. The headlines this morning aren’t nearly as dire as they were last week.

And as more young people get infected, the death rate is dropping. Yesterday the death rate in the US was 250. Even the average of 700 is way down from the numbers in April/May. Now, we’ll have to watch the death rate in the next few weeks, as it lags from cases, but it is possible, that the US has seen the worse in that marker (for this wave).

I agree with you masks should be required, but I think some people want to make the numbers worse than they are and continue to only want to look at positive cases alone. That can’t be the leading indicator! Short of the virus going away, this is actually the best scenario. More people getting it, but hospitalizations and deaths continuing to trend downward.

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Hospitlals in Florida are also noticing similar trends. I am interested to see where it goes in the next few weeks. The next 2-3 weeks is going to say alot.

And you are right that positive cases alone doesn't mean so much. Especially with so many of them skewing younger and asymptomatic.

 

[tippity]

I agree with you masks should be required, but I think some people want to make the numbers worse than they are and continue to only want to look at positive cases alone. That can’t be the leading indicator! Short of the virus going away, this is actually the best scenario. More people getting it, but hospitalizations and deaths continuing to trend downward.

Here in AZ , according to the health dept. our PCR testing is showing 10.1 % positive ( yes it's high) . Then I look on the John's Hopkins website and they claim our positivity is 20%. The difference: Johns Hopkins is combining PCR and serum testing results. It seems to me that data is easily skewed to fit people's narrative.

 

[Christine]

The not as big of an issue things were like with ventilators and such. And yes just about every bad thing that got played out in the news about it has fizzled away.

We are not hitting 1k death every day anymore haven't hit 1k or over since beginning of june, death rate has been steadily dropping for months.

I hate to say it but I think part of the "good news" on the death rate dropping has been because the densely populated areas where it really wreaked havoc have gotten themselves under control due to well-adhered-to Stay In Place orders and almost 100% mask compliance. While deaths may be on a lower trend nationally because the high population areas have improved, it's important to look at death rate trends on a local level. And, hey, maybe they are better also, I don't know as I don't study down into that detail.

I just think if the majorly populated areas start to enter their phases and relax a little there's a risk of those numbers jumping. The next couple of months will be interesting as New York, DC, etc. get back out there. I'm hoping the masks enable us to open safely without spikes. We all seem to be very mask compliant.

 

[1GoldenSun]

I don't know what to make of the news, but it sounds a lot worse than it FEELS. I live in Tampa and my county (Hillsborough) is one of the lesser hotspots, but I don't know one single person who's tested positive. And of all the people I know in the area with whom I've discussed this, only two know someone who has had it. And those were only tangentially--as in "my husband's coworker's mother-in-law tested positive."

It's not like people are dropping like flies.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

On May 31, we hit 100,000 deaths, and 22 days later we are at 122,000. So, during a period of reduced transmissiveness, we are still hitting 1,000 deaths per day in June. Who knows, maybe we will reach zero cases pretty soon?

I am not very good at predicting the future, but I am excellent at predicting the past. I don't like what I've seen, and I don't feel relaxed about it.

I guess it depends on where you’re getting your numbers. Last night, John Hopkins was reporting 119,969. CDC shows 119,612. Still not great, but a full 2,000 less than what you’ve seen (Worldmeter?). I’m not saying which is right or wrong, but just pointing out that numbers can be accounted for differently, so it may be that we’re not all looking at the same info.

I can say for the last 10 days or, it appears the US has averaged about 700-800 deaths a day, which is way down from April/May.

 

[jlwhitney]

I don't know what to make of the news, but it sounds a lot worse than it FEELS. I live in Tampa and my county (Hillsborough) is one of the lesser hotspots, but I don't know one single person who's tested positive. And of all the people I know in the area with whom I've discussed this, only two know someone who has had it. And those were only tangentially--as in "my husband's coworker's mother-in-law tested positive."

It's not like people are dropping like flies.

That is because not even 1% of our huge population has even tested positive. And then even less then the less than 1% or dying. We have 458 cases in my county and our population is over 200,000 people.

I also don't buy the mask narrative as making as big of a difference as the media wants them too, its one of the last things left they have to hold people hostage in fear. South Florida has had the strongest mask mandates for Florida yet a high percent of our spike is still in south florida and they aren't as open either as the rest of florida.

 

[Searc]

This thread is a perfect example of those dismissing the severity continually moving the goalposts of why this pandemic isn't worrisome and it's basically over.

 

[jlwhitney]

This thread is a perfect example of those dismissing the severity continually moving the goalposts of why this pandemic isn't worrisome and it's basically over.

No one said its over, but most have realized that its not nearly as bad as it seemed in March. This could have been a whole lot worst and its not.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I hate to say it but I think part of the "good news" on the death rate dropping has been because the densely populated areas where it really wreaked havoc have gotten themselves under control due to well-adhered-to Stay In Place orders and almost 100% mask compliance. While deaths may be on a lower trend nationally because the high population areas have improved, it's important to look at death rate trends on a local level. And, hey, maybe they are better also, I don't know as I don't study down into that detail.

I just think if the majorly populated areas start to enter their phases and relax a little there's a risk of those numbers jumping. The next couple of months will be interesting as New York, DC, etc. get back out there. I'm hoping the masks enable us to open safely without spikes. We all seem to be very mask compliant.

I tend to agree with you, but it’s also important to recognize that our numbers were as bad as they once were because of those same places. I’m not saying you’ve said it, but I get really tired of people saying we can’t include NY in our overall picture now, but we’re supposed to count them in the overall picture before. Either they count (high number of cases/deaths) or they don’t.

The US wouldn’t have looked as bad if we didn’t include NY - and they wouldn’t look as good now without them. It will be similar for CA - with over half of the entire cases in the state, Los Angeles County really skews the numbers for our state.

I am with you on being interested in seeing how NY does as they reopen. I hope they don’t run into the same problems some of these other places have!

 

[Jrb1979]

No one said its over, but most have realized that its not nearly as bad as it seemed in March. This could have been a whole lot worst and its not.

It could have been have been worse and may still get worse if places don't do more to slow the spread now that things are opening. Why is many against putting in restrictions again when cases start rising? Cutting capacity for how many are allowed in a business, masks mandatory. If it gets to it fine people like they are doing here.

 

[Searc]

No one said its over, but most have realized that its not nearly as bad as it seemed in March. This could have been a whole lot worst and its not.

Right, because initially, people stayed home and businesses closed. When that was done, we either continued to stay home or we wore masks and socially distanced when possible. Now, businesses and restaurants have reopened and people are bored with those preventive measures, so cases are skyrocketing again because nothing is being done to prevent spread.

A little critical thinking goes a long way.

 

[Christine]

I tend to agree with you, but it’s also important to recognize that our numbers were as bad as they once were because of those same places. I’m not saying you’ve said it, but I get really tired of people saying we can’t include NY in our overall picture now, but we’re supposed to count them in the overall picture before. Either they count (high number of cases/deaths) or they don’t.

The US wouldn’t have looked as bad if we didn’t include NY - and they wouldn’t look as good now without them. It will be similar for CA - with over half of the entire cases in the state, Los Angeles County really skews the numbers for our state.

I am with you on being interested in seeing how NY does as they reopen. I hope they don’t run into the same problems some of these other places have!

I feel exactly as you do. I just feel, overall, that with the U.S. being so large and varied, it's really not helpful for much to look at the country as a whole. In the beginning, we did include New York (and other places) and I think it was important at the time. We didn't know how this illness would behave, spread, etc. We've learned a LOT since then and we know that certain areas of the country (heavily populated) and certain types of behavior (indoor, singing, talking and gathering for sustained time, etc) all play into the spread.

Based on what we know today, I think it's much more important to view things regionally. So, yeah, while I may have looked at numbers that included New York in the beginning (because I personally really didn't know any better), I think it's just as important now to not think we are "safe" today because New York is on such a decline (as is my own area).

If one's own area is seeing an increased rate in positivity, then it's concerning. My own zip code's positivity rate was at one time at 25%. We are now at about 16% and trending downward. But we've only started Phase 2 and we have healthy mask compliance.

 

[jlwhitney]

It could have been have been worse and may still get worse if places don't do more to slow the spread now that things are opening. Why is many against putting in restrictions again when cases start rising? Cutting capacity for how many are allowed in a business, masks mandatory. If it gets to it fine people like they are doing here.

Right, because initially, people stayed home and businesses closed. When that was done, we either continued to stay home or we wore masks and socially distanced when possible. Now, businesses and restaurants have reopened and people are bored with those preventive measures, so cases are skyrocketing again because nothing is being done to prevent spread.

A little critical thinking goes a long way.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[1GoldenSun]

Even though I don't have any anecdotal evidence of COVID's presence in my area, I wear my mask everywhere and have all along--mandate or no mandate. I also don't go out much and I keep my distance from others when I do. It's just not that hard.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

In NJ we wear masks in all public indoor places. It’s not that hard - you get used to it. I work in a school and we all know we will be wearing them when school reopens

I’m so tired of hearing people complain about how the masks diminish their freedoms. You know the saying - no shoes; no shirt; no service. Just add in masks! If it helps reduce transmission I’m all for it!