GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[tippity]

That’s not true everywhere. My brother in law had his last cancer treatment in April. We had a car parade for him.

Please re-read my comments, I said that treatments were stopped in some areas, not all. Congrats to your BIL !

 

[robinb]

[Edited -- the number is false, it was a sum of all positive cases at MCO plus contact tracing from them from March - June]

500 people were recently tested at MCO via contact testing and 260 of them tested positive.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/l...ovid-19-after-florida-reports-2783-new-cases/

 

[71 Truck]

When you exhale, you do not exhale pure individual virus. You exhale relatively large droplets that can contain the virus and any other stuff. Yes the virus itself is way tinier than the holes in the weave, but you are actually exhaling droplets of water (all the time when you talk, cough, sneeze etc), and it is those droplets that are large enough so that they are caught in the fabric.

Masks protect others from your exhaled germs.... Surgeons have been wearing cloth surgical masks long before the n95 existed for this very reason.

I don't get the reasoning that if something is not 100% then what is the point... my seatbelt or carseat is not a 100% guarantee against injury in a car accident, but no way am I driving without them...

nice article from John's Hopkins

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea.../coronavirus-face-masks-what-you-need-to-know

Thank you for posting the article from John's Hopkins it was a very good read.
You are correct nothing is 100%. By using a car seat for a child and a seat belt for your self you are doing the best to protect yourself and your family.

The problems I see are what I talked about in my post. About 50% of the people wearing them are wearing them incorrect. The biggest problem I see is the nose not being covered and people I see sneeze do not even bother covering their face.
The same with loose fitting mask where some water droplets go out the sides. At least most of the droplets are caught in the mask in this case.
One of the thing I also see is people working for big box type stores not wearing them correctly. They are the ones that should be properly trained by their employer. Maybe they are but just don't care.

This is why I also talk about masks being a false sense of security. People wear them,get sick then tell people they do not know how the got sick, they wear a mask.

Years ago when I was an active firefighter we had to do yearly training and fit testing. This was not to protect other but to protect our self. This was for self contained breathing apparatus.

I guess what I am trying to say in general, people are most responsible for their own safety and they should not rely on others to always do the right thing. People need to be educated on how to properly protect them self.

Once again I am talking about the area I live in. Where you live it might be different.

 

[igrsod]

I don't fully understand why walking one way helps.
Did the CDC recomend this?

They want people to stay at least 6 feet away from each other.... most aisles are not wide enough to accommodate this. Hence one way traffic...

 

[Donaldswife]

500 people were recently tested at MCO via contact testing and 260 of them tested positive.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/l...ovid-19-after-florida-reports-2783-new-cases/

https://twitchy.com/greg-3534/2020/...airport-tested-positive-for-covid-19-not-260/
Looks like the article you posted may be incorrect.

 

[robinb]

https://twitchy.com/greg-3534/2020/...airport-tested-positive-for-covid-19-not-260/
Looks like the article you posted may be incorrect.

Thank you for the correction! I don't think I would call the original "panic porn" since it came from the Governor DeSantis who, if anything, downplays the numbers.

 

[lexybear]

Gotta love going to Bloomberg and seeing the heading; Florida Has Record New Cases. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and makes you want to get on a plane to visit the mouse. I’m watching the DVC price thread here. It’s super interesting in light of COVID.

Have a link to that thread? Can't find it

 

[RamblingMad]

Have a link to that thread? Can't find it

It’s from yesterday. Moves really fast. I’m sure a similar one will pop up today. It’s under their prognosis area. I really only go to Bloomberg to look at fixed rates and read Matt Levine’s column.

 

[lexybear]

It’s from yesterday. Moves really fast. I’m sure a similar one will pop up today. It’s under their prognosis area. I really only go to Bloomberg to look at fixed rates and read Matt Levine’s column.

No i mean the dvc price thread

 

[RamblingMad]

No i mean the dvc price thread

Over on the DVC boards here in the purchasing DVC sub forum.

 

[shelemm]

I don't fully understand why walking one way helps.
Did the CDC recomend this?

You don't have to understand it. There are people who study things like this. They go to school and have degrees and certifications and computer programs they can use. It is not done based on a whim or intuition. Stores that are part of a large corporation have taken this on themselves in consultation with environmental designers. Other small stores might follow their lead.

 

[DopeyDame]

During the lock down Cancer diagnoses were reduced. Hospitals were not allowed to perform elective surgeries and biopsies are designated as elective.
Also, cancer treatments were stopped in a lot of areas. Covid -19 deaths may have been prevented, did this result in a cancer death increase?
People cite epidiomiologists and infectious disease MD's, as the experts. But this is a novel virus, meaning the experts are speculating on what will happen. They don't know.

Can you point to information that cancer *treatments* were delayed anywhere? I’ve heard of delayed testing (mammograms and such) but haven’t heard of any delayed treatment. That would certainly be concerning.

And just because *this* virus is novel doesn’t mean the epidemiologists are suddenly on the same plane as the rest of us in their understanding and the quality of their predictions.

 

[gotomu212]

I think it’s hard for people that live in an area that’s had fairly small numbers of cases to understand what this will look like if it peaks in your city. The dread of hearing a kid in your child’s class was positive and now you quarantine and count down 14 days wondering if every allergy cough is the first sign or a normal headache means you're sick, the angst of dropping off a love one at the hospital but not being allowed to go in and having to depend on nurses to call you with updates, having a family member die but not being able to plan a funeral right away or hug the widow. When this happened in my extended family everyone got deadly serious about the virus. However I get that it’s not everyone’s experience yet.

I think as this continues to spread and arrives in peoples hometowns in greater numbers behaviors will change. Especially in places where rural hospitals and lack of access have a bigger effect. It’s hard to say masks are stupid when your neighbors in the hospital and your daughters best friends grandma just died and the restaurant you ate at last night just closed for a confirmed case in the kitchen.

 

[tippity]

Can you point to information that cancer *treatments* were delayed anywhere? I’ve heard of delayed testing (mammograms and such) but haven’t heard of any delayed treatment. That would certainly be concerning.

And just because *this* virus is novel doesn’t mean the epidemiologists are suddenly on the same plane as the rest of us in their understanding and the quality of their predictions.

I didn't say the epidemiologists were on the same plane as mere mortals. However they are speculating about what will happen in the future. Also, I am sure there are differing opinions among the experts, everyone is making their best educated guesses. Here's the 3 scenarios:




https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-pandemic-last-2-years/

When this started in the US, patients who ended up on ventilators were treated for acute respiratory distress, and steroids were discouraged. Yesterday a new study was published, saying that Dexamethasone, a steroid, might prove beneficial.

Also, you asked about cancer treatments being placed on hold: I have a friend who's being treated for breast cancer in Tucson and her chemo treatment was placed on hold Mar-Jun. My cousin in Dallas: her chemo was supposed to start in March, but it didn't start until the end of May.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

You don't have to understand it. There are people who study things like this. They go to school and have degrees and certifications and computer programs they can use. It is not done based on a whim or intuition. Stores that are part of a large corporation have taken this on themselves in consultation with environmental designers. Other small stores might follow their lead.

Like what’s with the attitude, I didn’t say i didn’t follow the rules. To me it just seemed counter productive for a number of reasons others have pointed out. I don’t need to know a lot of things but I do learn a lot of things. In New York was sending old people back to old folks homes until someone finally said Duhh. The CDC said you don’t need masks till people questioned it. Both were policy should people not question them? I have a statistical masters and think I am qualified to question things, and what more I know a lot of people who do not have a stats masters and they have the right to question and postulate things as well.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

You don't have to understand it. There are people who study things like this. They go to school and have degrees and certifications and computer programs they can use. It is not done based on a whim or intuition. Stores that are part of a large corporation have taken this on themselves in consultation with environmental designers. Other small stores might follow their lead.

Obviously given my post up thread, I have no patience for those that can't adhere to guidelines in the aisles and the like.
But Cogswell isn't one of the usual suspects. So I'll answer.
Cogswell: By making things one way, one reduces the close passes that would occur if the aisle were two way, thus reducing opportunities for the virus to transmit. Of course we're never going to stop people from going around others to zero. But the goal is to cut close passes down.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

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[wombat_5606]

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[RobDoc]

The arguing needs to stop.

Anyone who feels it important to "discuss" something directly with another poster should do so privately.

Further examples in this thread will result in additional warnings and closure of this topic.

 

[Lumpy1106]

I didn't say the epidemiologists were on the same plane as mere mortals. However they are speculating about what will happen in the future. Also, I am sure there are differing opinions among the experts, everyone is making their best educated guesses. Here's the 3 scenarios:

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https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-pandemic-last-2-years/

When this started in the US, patients who ended up on ventilators were treated for acute respiratory distress, and steroids were discouraged. Yesterday a new study was published, saying that Dexamethasone, a steroid, might prove beneficial.

Also, you asked about cancer treatments being placed on hold: I have a friend who's being treated for breast cancer in Tucson and her chemo treatment was placed on hold Mar-Jun. My cousin in Dallas: her chemo was supposed to start in March, but it didn't start until the end of May.

I know we don't get a choice, but I can live with scenario 3. That gets things back open and kids back in schools. The masks and social distancing seems like a more than fair trade-off if that's the result. I would have to continue working form home though - twist my arm. Scenario 2 seems highly unlikely. Remember that the Spanish flu also saw people returning home from the war right before the second wave. That's definitely not going to happen.