Grand Floridian shouldn’t allow non hotel guests

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If you buy a BMV and they tell you it is using Toyota parts, and you buy it anyways, are you not accepting the BMV is part Toyota.?

I think someone who bought X, knowing it included Y should be willing to accept they are getting X with Y.

Nothing wrong with coming up with ideas to help a GF guest have a better experience, but the reality is there is a 99% chance Disney is not going to close down the GF…so if you chose to stay there, then you have to take some responsibility that you are going to see and experience crowds, until that changes.

And that is not pandering….and not being tone deaf….its being able to accept reality of what is currently there.

IMO, it’s silly to not even be willing to accept that you aren’t going to get the experience you want at GF as long as Disney keeps their open door policy.

Many guests, including cash ones, do choose GF knowing they will face this in the holidays because they are advised as such when they book…

If you want to keep going, go…but it sounds like it’s not to be a good experience for you during the holidays…until the system changes….so why put yourself through that until it does.

The big area we are different is that if I end up in an unexpected horrible situation, I don’t choose to do it again…if I had a really bad experience at a resort like you did, I would avoid it until the situation changed.
The issue with your analogy is that Disney doesn’t provide the transparency you’re suggesting. If BMW sold a car with Toyota parts, it would disclose that upfront. In contrast, Disney markets Grand Floridian’s transportation as follows:

“Here are some of the fun, complimentary and convenient ways that Guests staying at Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort & Spa can use to get around Walt Disney World Resort.”

There’s no mention of potential inconvenience during peak times or how overcrowding might impact the experience. Is it the fault of the guest if Disney doesn’t deliver on what it advertises?

Guests paying premium rates understandably expect a premium experience. While it’s true that crowds are a reality, Disney’s lack of upfront communication means many guests only discover these issues after arrival. Blaming guests for booking under these conditions feels dismissive, especially when Disney sets the expectation of sophistication and convenience in its marketing materials.

Yes, guests can choose not to return, but voicing concerns is a valid way to advocate for improvements Disney should make for its high-paying customers. Accepting reality doesn’t mean settling for subpar service when Disney could do more to align its product with its promises.
 
Still waiting on an answer as to how it’s known that the primary reason your train and lobby are clogged up is because of non guests? Are Poly and Contemporary/Bay Lake considered non guests?
Because they literally talk about not being guest out loud.

How’s them apples
 
The issue with your analogy is that Disney doesn’t provide the transparency you’re suggesting. If BMW sold a car with Toyota parts, it would disclose that upfront. In contrast, Disney markets Grand Floridian’s transportation as follows:

“Here are some of the fun, complimentary and convenient ways that Guests staying at Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort & Spa can use to get around Walt Disney World Resort.”

There’s no mention of potential inconvenience during peak times or how overcrowding might impact the experience. Is it the fault of the guest if Disney doesn’t deliver on what it advertises?

Guests paying premium rates understandably expect a premium experience. While it’s true that crowds are a reality, Disney’s lack of upfront communication means many guests only discover these issues after arrival. Blaming guests for booking under these conditions feels dismissive, especially when Disney sets the expectation of sophistication and convenience in its marketing materials.

Yes, guests can choose not to return, but voicing concerns is a valid way to advocate for improvements Disney should make for its high-paying customers. Accepting reality doesn’t mean settling for subpar service when Disney could do more to align its product with its promises.
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The issue with your analogy is that Disney doesn’t provide the transparency you’re suggesting. If BMW sold a car with Toyota parts, it would disclose that upfront. In contrast, Disney markets Grand Floridian’s transportation as follows:

“Here are some of the fun, complimentary and convenient ways that Guests staying at Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort & Spa can use to get around Walt Disney World Resort.”

There’s no mention of potential inconvenience during peak times or how overcrowding might impact the experience. Is it the fault of the guest if Disney doesn’t deliver on what it advertises?

Guests paying premium rates understandably expect a premium experience. While it’s true that crowds are a reality, Disney’s lack of upfront communication means many guests only discover these issues after arrival. Blaming guests for booking under these conditions feels dismissive, especially when Disney sets the expectation of sophistication and convenience in its marketing materials.

Yes, guests can choose not to return, but voicing concerns is a valid way to advocate for improvements Disney should make for its high-paying customers. Accepting reality doesn’t mean settling for subpar service when Disney could do more to align its product with its promise
Pretty sure that no one buying DVC or staying at GF is told it’s an exclusive resort and that criwds can’t happen.

Disney advertises going there to see the gingerbread house…and many guests do indeed know that thhe holidays with be more crowded.

So, anyone staying at GF is aware that the monorail is shared transportation. No one says not to voice concerns but recognize that there are plenty of guests who are not disappointed with their stays during the holidays, even with the crowds.
 

Does dvc sell gf and all its grandeur but add a caveat. Don’t expect to be able to reach the monorail during Christmas

Our bad

Go stay somewhere else
 
Does dvc sell gf and all its grandeur but add a caveat. Don’t expect to be able to reach the monorail during Christmas

Our bad

Go stay somewhere else
I highly doubt at any time you were unable to reach the monorail at Christmas or any other time … might it take you a few more minutes of precious MK time? ok ill buy that but only after I purchase my gingerbread
 
Pretty sure that no one buying DVC or staying at GF is told it’s an exclusive resort and that criwds can’t happen.

Disney advertises going there to see the gingerbread house…and many guests do indeed know that thhe holidays with be more crowded.

So, anyone staying at GF is aware that the monorail is shared transportation. No one says not to voice concerns but recognize that there are plenty of guests who are not disappointed with their stays during the holidays, even with the crowds.
Your argument relies on incorrect assumptions and dismissiveness of valid concerns. First, no one is claiming the Grand Floridian is marketed as “exclusive,” but Disney does market it as a resort with convenient transportation. Nowhere in its advertising does Disney disclose how overcrowding or shared transportation can significantly impact the guest experience, especially during peak times. Simply stating that the monorail is shared doesn’t address the gap between Disney’s promises and reality.

Furthermore, not everyone planning a Disney trip is combing through online forums to gather insider knowledge about potential issues. Most guests trust Disney’s marketing and expect the experience they’ve been sold.

The dismissive tone of “guests know the monorail is shared transportation” oversimplifies the issue. Guests paying top rates at Grand Floridian have every reason to believe Disney has accounted for demand and ensured that transportation options meet expectations. Blaming guests for trusting Disney’s advertising deflects from the real problem: Disney isn’t delivering what it markets.

Finally, brushing off these concerns with “you should have known” is not only tone-deaf but unhelpful. Guests who voice their frustrations aren’t being unreasonable—they’re highlighting areas where Disney can improve. Instead of dismissing their experiences, Disney should take feedback seriously and work to provide the service it advertises.
 
Your argument relies on incorrect assumptions and dismissiveness of valid concerns. First, no one is claiming the Grand Floridian is marketed as “exclusive,” but Disney does market it as a resort with convenient transportation. Nowhere in its advertising does Disney disclose how overcrowding or shared transportation can significantly impact the guest experience, especially during peak times. Simply stating that the monorail is shared doesn’t address the gap between Disney’s promises and reality.

Furthermore, not everyone planning a Disney trip is combing through online forums to gather insider knowledge about potential issues. Most guests trust Disney’s marketing and expect the experience they’ve been sold.

The dismissive tone of “guests know the monorail is shared transportation” oversimplifies the issue. Guests paying top rates at Grand Floridian have every reason to believe Disney has accounted for demand and ensured that transportation options meet expectations. Blaming guests for trusting Disney’s advertising deflects from the real problem: Disney isn’t delivering what it markets.

Finally, brushing off these concerns with “you should have known” is not only tone-deaf but unhelpful. Guests who voice their frustrations aren’t being unreasonable—they’re highlighting areas where Disney can improve. Instead of dismissing their experiences, Disney should take feedback seriously and work to provide the service it advertises.
I think Disney has taken this feedback under advisement and doesn’t see it as an issue which is why it’s currently the 25th Anniversary of the grandiose gingerbread display that attracts throngs of undesirables whom apparently stand in the lobby and train and profess to all willing to listen that they don’t belong there … ‘convenient’ transportation doesn’t mean you get a reserved space on the train at any minute of any day it simply means you don’t have to walk half a mile to a bus stop (which can also get crazy crowded at times by the way) like the unwashed do
 
Your argument relies on incorrect assumptions and dismissiveness of valid concerns. First, no one is claiming the Grand Floridian is marketed as “exclusive,” but Disney does market it as a resort with convenient transportation. Nowhere in its advertising does Disney disclose how overcrowding or shared transportation can significantly impact the guest experience, especially during peak times. Simply stating that the monorail is shared doesn’t address the gap between Disney’s promises and reality.

Furthermore, not everyone planning a Disney trip is combing through online forums to gather insider knowledge about potential issues. Most guests trust Disney’s marketing and expect the experience they’ve been sold.

The dismissive tone of “guests know the monorail is shared transportation” oversimplifies the issue. Guests paying top rates at Grand Floridian have every reason to believe Disney has accounted for demand and ensured that transportation options meet expectations. Blaming guests for trusting Disney’s advertising deflects from the real problem: Disney isn’t delivering what it markets.

Finally, brushing off these concerns with “you should have known” is not only tone-deaf but unhelpful. Guests who voice their frustrations aren’t being unreasonable—they’re highlighting areas where Disney can improve. Instead of dismissing their experiences, Disney should take feedback seriously and work to provide the service it advertises.
It's a given that transportation will be crowded during peak times.

At least one poster appears to dream Disney will change the GF to closed resort. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Maybe limit the monorail to GF registered guests. Also NOT LIKELY.

Some of us think Disney should increase boat capacity and add buses to supplement monorail service.

Having to wait for one monorail is reasonable, JMO. More then that should result in backup options.
 
If you pay top dollar for a product it is 100% reasonable to expect similar service.
Paying "top dollar" doesn't mean you can change the rules to suit your personal preference. The amount is also subjective. One person's top dollar is another person's pocket change. Someone who thinks GF is a bargain is not going to be bothered by the extra wait for the monorail.
 
One solution: Limit access to Disney resorts and transportation to current Disney resort guests, and restaurant guests to those with current restaurant reservations. It's easy to scan a ticket at the entrance to a bus, resort monorail, or skyliner station. Of course there are boobs who will find ways around this, as there always are, but this would greatly reduce the bodies in the lobbies.

The GCH hotel lobby at holiday time looks like Wal-Mart on Black Friday. Limit that space to DLR guests.

It's bewildering to me that people go to such lengths to have to make a special trip to look at a gingerbread house, because, of course, there's no other holiday decor anywhere around the World. [/scarcasm]

Again, with the Tokyo Disney example: Their monorail actually is a paid ride, part of the Tokyo transportation system. That keeps ridership to mostly those actually going somewhere.
 
Your argument relies on incorrect assumptions and dismissiveness of valid concerns. First, no one is claiming the Grand Floridian is marketed as “exclusive,” but Disney does market it as a resort with convenient transportation. Nowhere in its advertising does Disney disclose how overcrowding or shared transportation can significantly impact the guest experience, especially during peak times. Simply stating that the monorail is shared doesn’t address the gap between Disney’s promises and reality.

Furthermore, not everyone planning a Disney trip is combing through online forums to gather insider knowledge about potential issues. Most guests trust Disney’s marketing and expect the experience they’ve been sold.

The dismissive tone of “guests know the monorail is shared transportation” oversimplifies the issue. Guests paying top rates at Grand Floridian have every reason to believe Disney has accounted for demand and ensured that transportation options meet expectations. Blaming guests for trusting Disney’s advertising deflects from the real problem: Disney isn’t delivering what it markets.

Finally, brushing off these concerns with “you should have known” is not only tone-deaf but unhelpful. Guests who voice their frustrations aren’t being unreasonable—they’re highlighting areas where Disney can improve. Instead of dismissing their experiences, Disney should take feedback seriously and work to provide the service it advertises.

Again, I am not brushing off concerns. People can be upset but one should have some level of reasonable expectations.

Let’s not pretend though that DVC owners who go to visit WDW have no idea what it’s all about.

And. I do have experience with helping others so it’s based on that.

But if saying that people shouldn’t be surprised, especially DVC, that GF is crowded at the holidays, as is all of WDW, is tone deaf, then it’s tone deaf to not admit that plenty of guests are not surprised with what is happening and do go with the flow.

Again, when the suggestion was made that advocating for more transportation options like additional buses for MK and Epcot could help, it was pretty much dismissed.

I have been helpful in finding solutions which got shot down.

As a frequent visitor to GF, why is my experience and others who find it as promised dismissed?

So, we will just disagree that people going to WDW and choosing resorts are clueless when it comes to what it entails. They are not.

With that, I will continue to be okay with Disneys policies as a VGf owner who stays there and hope that it doesn’t change

ETA: And it’s not dismissive to suggest that people may not want to choose the GF during the holidays since it is busy. Why do that if you know you will be miserable?
 
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I think Disney has taken this feedback under advisement and doesn’t see it as an issue which is why it’s currently the 25th Anniversary of the grandiose gingerbread display that attracts throngs of undesirables whom apparently stand in the lobby and train and profess to all willing to listen that they don’t belong there … ‘convenient’ transportation doesn’t mean you get a reserved space on the train at any minute of any day it simply means you don’t have to walk half a mile to a bus stop (which can also get crazy crowded at times by the way) like the unwashed do
Dismissing comments with terms like “throngs of undesirables” and “the unwashed” is irrelevant.

Disney markets the Grand Floridian as offering “fun, complimentary, and convenient” transportation. Nowhere does it disclose that overcrowding and poor management might make that impossible. Your excuse that “convenient doesn’t mean reserved space” completely misses the point: Disney’s lack of transparency misleads guests.

Claiming it’s “better than walking to a bus stop” is condescending and absurd. Guests didn’t pay premium prices for “better than the worst.” The problem isn’t the other guests—it’s Disney’s failure to manage demand and meet expectations. Blaming paying customers for trusting Disney’s advertising is not just tone-deaf—it’s ridiculous.
 
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Dismissing comments with terms like “throngs of undesirables” and “the unwashed” is irrelevant.

Disney markets the Grand Floridian as offering “fun, complimentary, and convenient” transportation. Nowhere does it disclose that overcrowding and poor management might make that impossible. Your excuse that “convenient doesn’t mean reserved space” completely misses the point: Disney’s lack of transparency misleads guests.

Claiming it’s “better than walking to a bus stop” is condescending and absurd. Guests didn’t pay premium prices for “better than the worst.” The problem isn’t the other guests—it’s Disney’s failure to manage demand and meet expectations. Blaming paying customers for trusting Disney’s advertising is not just tone-deaf—it’s ridiculous.
lol what part of the ‘marketing’ isn’t being fulfilled? The ‘fun’? That’s relative … The ‘complimentary’? Has Disney started charging per ride? Nope …Convenient? Again that is in how one interprets the term … so they have indeed fulfilled all they have apparently advertised for the ‘flagship’
 
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Dismissing comments with terms like “throngs of undesirables” and “the unwashed” is irrelevant.

Disney markets the Grand Floridian as offering “fun, complimentary, and convenient” transportation. Nowhere does it disclose that overcrowding and poor management might make that impossible. Your excuse that “convenient doesn’t mean reserved space” completely misses the point: Disney’s lack of transparency misleads guests.

Claiming it’s “better than walking to a bus stop” is condescending and absurd. Guests didn’t pay premium prices for “better than the worst.” The problem isn’t the other guests—it’s Disney’s failure to manage demand and meet expectations. Blaming paying customers for trusting Disney’s advertising is not just tone-deaf—it’s ridiculous.

But why are you dismissing that there are plenty of guests through the year and even during the holidays that don’t run into massive overcrowding all day long on the monorail? Why do you assume that all those GF guests right now are disgruntled?

And, if you have both DVC and GF at full occupancy….not to mention Poly and CR… how can you say that it’s reasonable to not expect some level of crowds?

Sure, you have non resort guests who visit but really? You think that Disney saying convenient options for transportation means you wont see crowds on the monorail?

That’s why it keeps being said that Disney is responsible for responding to crowds and that may mean that they have to add other options beyond the monorail for guests who don’t want to wait because it’s crowded.

Expecting Disney to close the resort down because some don’t like the experience is not relatistic nor is it something everyone would agree with.

So, that leaves guests with staying elsewhere while they let Disney know their displeasure or stay and be willing to accept it if nothing has changed.

If I was that upset about the experience, I would not stay there again until my concerns were fixed.
 
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Are guests not able to board the monorail and having to wait 15 minutes for the next train? Or are we talking about an hour wait, maybe waiting for 3 trains?
 
But why are you dismissing that there are plenty of guests through the year and even during the holidays that don’t run into massive overcrowding all day long on the monorail? Why do you assume that all those GF guests right now are disgruntled?

And, if you have both DVC and GF at full occupancy….not to mention Poly and CR… how can you say that it’s reasonable to not expect some level of crowds?

Sure, you have non resort guests who visit but really? You think that Disney saying convenient options for transportation means you wont see crowds on the monorail?

That’s why it keeps being said that Disney is responsible for responding to crowds and that may mean that they have to add other options beyond the monorail for guests who don’t want to wait because it’s crowded.

Expecting Disney to close the resort down because some don’t like the experience is not relatistic nor is it something everyone would agree with.

So, that leaves guests with staying elsewhere while they let Disney know their displeasure or stay and be willing to accept it if nothing has changed.

If I was that upset about the experience, I would not stay there again until my concerns were fixed.
Your argument is contradictory. First, you claim guests should expect “insane crowds” during the holidays then you argue overcrowding isn’t consistent. Which is it?

You also mention the GF, Poly and Contemporary being at full occupancy—do you know they were? Or is that just speculation to deflect from Disney’s failure to manage transportation effectively?

What some on this thread are advocating for isn’t a blanket policy but better crowd management during peak times with a priority lane for guests of the GF.

No one is asking Disney to shut down the resort. If Disney can’t handle the crowds, that’s a management issue, not the fault of paying customers.
 
Your argument is contradictory. First, you claim guests should expect “insane crowds” during the holidays then you argue overcrowding isn’t consistent. Which is it?

You also mention the GF, Poly and Contemporary being at full occupancy—do you know they were? Or is that just speculation to deflect from Disney’s failure to manage transportation effectively?

What some on this thread are advocating for isn’t a blanket policy but better crowd management during peak times with a priority lane for guests of the GF.

No one is asking Disney to shut down the resort. If Disney can’t handle the crowds, that’s a management issue, not the fault of paying customers.

I never used the word insane…What I said was that people should expect crowds but not everyone sees the crowds as massive all day long and that some of us don’t see the crowds as anything but expected for this time of year. That’s a big difference. I waited lasted year 20 to 25 minutes for a monorail once and other times did not. Do I think 20 to 25 minutes to be on the monorail was higher than normal? Yes. Was it all the time? Nope.

The lobby was crowded with guests but not to the extend it was unexpected for the holidays.

And it’s been reported in this thread that the GF is full occupant…the point was that the likelihood of the Mk resorts being crowded is high. So, if that is occurring then you are going to wait more than you might when you visit in say, June.

And you absolutely have some who want it blocked to all guests.

The fact that some guests see the crowds as acceptable and some do not, means that it may not be as big of an issue for guests all the time. Thst doesn’t mean those that are upset should not voice their concerns.

But it’s okay too for others to feel differently.

That’s why I’ll repeat myself. Disney needs to ensure that the transportation options from The MK resorts during the holidays meets the demands as best they can and that could include more buses and boats, since the monorail can’t handle it all.

IMO, it’s unreasonable to say that because the GF is on the monorail that it means one should be able to ride that without a wait or have priority because it’s not practical.

And, at park opening when those lines are long, it is almost exclusively resort guests and there can still be a wait, which is why the solution is more boats and dedicated buses direct to MK and Epcot to give those guests a choice if they don’t want to wait for monorails that come from CR and Poly full….which does happen pretty much a lot of the time.

And that is where expectations come into play and my personal experience is that guests planning trips this time of year are indeed given information on what it’s like, where to stay, and how to plan a trip that allows for the least stressful experience as possible.
 
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Paying "top dollar" doesn't mean you can change the rules to suit your personal preference. The amount is also subjective. One person's top dollar is another person's pocket change. Someone who thinks GF is a bargain is not going to be bothered by the extra wait for the monorail.
What planet are you on, the more money you have the more valuable your time is

Only people who think gf is a bargain would be the ultra wealthy and they will value their time even more
 
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