Grand Floridian shouldn’t allow non hotel guests

[nuhusky123]

The Riviera stop causes a slow down on the Epcot line because they don’t have a separate line for Ev loading there. How many non Riviera guests catch the Skyliner at Riviera in the mornings? Some from CBR I assume & some w/ early Toppolinos breakfasts?

If I wanted to take buses to 3 parks, I’d stay at another resort.
They could rope off the entrance ramp & not allow boarding of the resort monorail at the TTC in the mornings, that way you’d only have BLT & Poly guests on their way to the MK & some Poly guests heading to Epcot onboard when the trains arrive at the GF.
Those heading to the MK from the TTC would still have the express monorail & the ferry.

Exactly. If I wanted a bus why would I stay at gf

Nonsense

Brilliant ideas, pay extra $ to stay at a monorail resort but take the bus because your monorail is being used by non resort guests

 

[nuhusky123]

Unfortunately, the ADRs part may not work. Just this year alone we sat near two people at BOG who had no intention of eating. They were just there to take pictures, then made up a lame excuse and left.

If someone bails on an adr well so be it and up to wdw to opt to charge them or not. But I do feel adr are at least equitable

 

[Sandisw]

The Riviera stop causes a slow down on the Epcot line because they don’t have a separate line for Ev loading there. How many non Riviera guests catch the Skyliner at Riviera in the mornings? Some from CBR I assume & some w/ early Toppolinos breakfasts?

If I wanted to take buses to 3 parks, I’d stay at another resort.
They could rope off the entrance ramp & not allow boarding of the resort monorail at the TTC in the mornings, that way you’d only have BLT & Poly guests on their way to the MK & some Poly guests heading to Epcot onboard when the trains arrive at the GF.
Those heading to the MK from the TTC would still have the express monorail & the ferry.

Sure, the boarding slows down to a slight crawl to stop when boarding a scooter/wheelchair.

But the point about guests is it is not set up to restrict anyone which is what some want to see at the MK resorts. How is that going to be accomplished at CR? Or any of the resorts for that matter without causing conjestion?

The buses would be only when it is extra busy so guests have a choice. Wait in the monorail line or take a bus….some will opt the bus to Epcot as it’s not like the monorail is a short ride

The problem with blocking TTC completely is there might be offsite guests or guests of other WDW resorts that have dining reservations at one of the resorts but parked at TTC because they’ll had straight to the parks. So, they’d need some way to allow for that.

Seems to me that having sufficient transportation to handle the extra guests should be the goal, and that goes beyond the monorail.

 

[nuhusky123]

Sure, the boarding slows down to a slight crawl to stop when boarding a scooter/wheelchair.

But the point about guests is it is not set up to restrict anyone which is what some want to see at the MK resorts. How is that going to be accomplished at CR? Or any of the resorts for that matter without causing conjestion?

The buses would be only when it is extra busy so guests have a choice. Wait in the monorail line or take a bus….some will opt the bus to Epcot as it’s not like the monorail is a short ride

The problem with blocking TTC completely is there might be offsite guests or guests of other WDW resorts that have dining reservations at one of the resorts but parked at TTC because they’ll had straight to the parks. So, they’d need some way to allow for that.

Seems to me that having sufficient transportation to handle the extra guests should be the goal.

Why can’t the same cast member blocking access validate adr for monorail access? Seems pretty straightforward imo

 

[Sandisw]

Why can’t the same cast member blocking access validate adr for monorail access? Seems pretty straightforward imo

They certainly could try to set that up and I am sure there are times it might help. I responded to the block all access at TTC.

But why can’t they add buses to MK and Epcot as an additional option during busy times??

That is much easier to accomplish then setting up all these restrictions to the monorail at all these different access points, especially if the goal is helping guests.

What you want to see is Disney completely change their business model that is a selling point for them where some of us feel that Disney needs to be sure to provide GF guests with options beyond the monorail to account for those extremely busy.

 

[nuhusky123]

They certainly could try to set that up and I am sure there are times it might help. I responded to the block all access at TTC.

But why can’t they add buses to MK and Epcot as an additional option during busy times??

That is much easier to accomplish then setting up all these restrictions to the monorail at all these different access points, especially if the goal is helping guests.

What you want to see is Disney completely change their business model that is a selling point for them where some of us feel that Disney needs to be sure to provide GF guests with options beyond the monorail to account for those extremely busy.

It irks me that we pay for a monorail resort and the fix is take a bus

If I wanted to ride a bus to mk I’d save my points and stay at akl

 

[Lewisc]

Why can’t the same cast member blocking access validate adr for monorail access? Seems pretty straightforward imo

Why? AKL was originally a closed resort. Disney decided to have open resorts. Decorations, including gingerbread house store, are designed for non hotel guests.

All guests, not just hotel guests, are entitled to use all Disney transportation.

Cash guests who are looking for more exclusive experience need to consider resorts like the Four Seasons and the Waldorf.

Parking and transportation are issues. Disney may need to have non hotel guests park in the TTC. Validate parking with a signature meal or $250 gingerbread purchase. Or do the same with valet parking

Peak time use buses and increase boat service to supplement monorail service.

Again Disney isn't going to change policy. Some guests need to book alternative resorts. Do non hotel guest crowd OKW or SSR?

 

[MyDogTink]

The Riviera stop causes a slow down on the Epcot line because they don’t have a separate line for Ev loading there. How many non Riviera guests catch the Skyliner at Riviera in the mornings? Some from CBR I assume & some w/ early Toppolinos breakfasts?

If I wanted to take buses to 3 parks, I’d stay at another resort.
They could rope off the entrance ramp & not allow boarding of the resort monorail at the TTC in the mornings, that way you’d only have BLT & Poly guests on their way to the MK & some Poly guests heading to Epcot onboard when the trains arrive at the GF.
Those heading to the MK from the TTC would still have the express monorail & the ferry.

I like that idea at TTC!

 

[Sandisw]

It irks me that we pay for a monorail resort and the fix is take a bus

If I wanted to ride a bus to mk I’d save my points and stay at akl

But you knew rthat the resort and monorail was open to all when you decided to stay there

And, you were aware that during the holidays it’s going to be especially busy and so you will see larger crowds.

No one is telling you to take a bus…I certainly never did. I simply said that adding buses to and from GF and Poly would go a long way to alleviate some of the congestion for the monorail because some of those non resort guests would use them as well.

Being a guest at an MK resort doesn’t come with exclusive access to the monorail so until it does, I agree with you that GF is not the place for you to stay during the holidays.

Again, there are guests on both side of this debate…and while it irks you, it doesn’t irk everyone. Some value the current model for visiting resorts for shopping and whatever else we want to do.

I’ll go one step further, those whose main concern is about the crowds for the monorail would welcome the bus and larger boat option as an alternative of having to be on a crowded monorail during the holidays.

 

[Chuck S]

So, you're suggesting that the family living over in Apopka is paying a proportionally equal amount towards WDW transportation, and the Monorail specfically, as the DVC owner who pays for it directly through their dues?

That is not what I said. Apopka is not in the Soutn Florida Tourism oversight District. There are areas in every county that have different tax rate depending upon their school districts, county services, etc.

That would be like saying since our dues has a utilities component, that only DVC Owners should be allowed to use electricity. Or even the public restrooms and sidewalks at the resorts as those are included in our Common Areas.

I boils down to this, if you didn't realize what was included, YOU didn't exercise due diligence prior to your purchase. Sort of like buying a house sight unseen. If these facts would've been a deal breaker, you could have rescinded the contract during the designated review period.

 

[nuhusky123]

It’s truly hilarious when people say you knew the monorail is popular or you can stay somewhere else. Or one of my favorites you knew Disney allowed the public

I’m sorry when you buy a bmw do you expect a bmw or a Toyota with a bmw sticker

If you pay top dollar for a product it is 100% reasonable to expect similar service

Anyone who can afford to stay at gf has I guarantee stayed at top resorts around the world given the price point. People have an expectation right or wrong that if you pay top dollar you get top dollar resorts, services, amenities

Back to car analogy. If you buy a BMW you expect it to drive like a bmw not a Toyota

The comments of go stay somewhere else are so pandering, tone deaf and useless

 

[Sandisw]

It’s truly hilarious when people say you knew the monorail is popular or you can stay somewhere else. Or one of my favorites you knew Disney allowed the public

I’m sorry when you buy a bmw do you expect a bmw or a Toyota with a bmw sticker

If you pay top dollar for a product it is 100% reasonable to expect similar service

Anyone who can afford to stay at gf has I guarantee stayed at top resorts around the world given the price point. People have an expectation right or wrong that if you pay top dollar you get top dollar resorts, services, amenities

Back to car analogy. If you buy a BMW you expect it to drive like a bmw not a Toyota

The comments of go stay somewhere else are so pandering, tone deaf and useless

If you buy a BMV and they tell you it is using Toyota parts, and you buy it anyways, are you not accepting the BMV is part Toyota.?

I think someone who bought X, knowing it included Y should be willing to accept they are getting X with Y.

Nothing wrong with coming up with ideas to help a GF guest have a better experience, but the reality is there is a 99% chance Disney is not going to close down the GF…so if you chose to stay there, then you have to take some responsibility that you are going to see and experience crowds, until that changes.

And that is not pandering….and not being tone deaf….its being able to accept reality of what is currently there.

IMO, it’s silly to not even be willing to accept that you aren’t going to get the experience you want at GF as long as Disney keeps their open door policy.

Many guests, including cash ones, do choose GF knowing they will face this in the holidays because they are advised as such when they book…

If you want to keep going, go…but it sounds like it’s not going to be a good experience for you during the holidays…until the system changes….so why put yourself through that until it does?

The big area on how we are different. If end up in an unexpected horrible situation, I don’t choose to do it again…if I had a really bad experience at a resort like you did, I would avoid it until the situation changed.

ETA. Right now, there are people who simply are not bothered by how things are run and see no need for major changes…

 

[eandt]

If someone bails on an adr well so be it and up to wdw to opt to charge them or not. But I do feel adr are at least equitable

So if a peasant has an adr for 6pm what time would they be granted access to the grandeur? What time are they banished from the kingdom after the adr?

 

[Lewisc]

Back to car analogy. If you buy a BMW you expect it to drive like a bmw not a Toyota

The comments of go stay somewhere else are so pandering, tone deaf and useless

I'd expect a Lexus would drive like a Toyota. I'd expect a customer buying a bmw would research the car. Make sure it meets their expectations. A person buying DVC at Gf should expect seasonal crowds. It's been that way for 25 years. How many potential guests did VGF add to the GF? I think DVC is a part of the issues.

The issues mentioned in this thread go back 25 years, maybe more. Disney isn't likely to make the changes you want.

Suggesting guests book a resort that better meets their desires isn't useless. Thinking Disney will significantly change policy is delusional.

The GF isn't generally rated 5*. The issues you mention are probably one factor. Staff guest ratio is another.

Doesn't Disney offer express lines at the Gingerbread sales for GF guests? Disney's priorities.

I understand you don't like the impact of current crowds. Your choice is to suck it up or stay somewhere else. You won't be happy with whatever small changes Disney might implement

 

[eandt]

Exactly. If I wanted a bus why would I stay at gf

Nonsense

Brilliant ideas, pay extra $ to stay at a monorail resort but take the bus because your monorail is being used by non resort guests

Still waiting on an answer as to how it’s known that the primary reason your train and lobby are clogged up is because of non guests? Are Poly and Contemporary/Bay Lake considered non guests?

 

[AstroBlasters]

Unfortunately, the ADRs part may not work. Just this year alone we sat near two people at BOG who had no intention of eating. They were just there to take pictures, then made up a lame excuse and left.

People should get a “strike” against them when they do that .

 

[Disneylover99]

Anyone who can afford to stay at gf has I guarantee stayed at top resorts around the world given the price point.

Disagree. Many families scrimp and save to stay at the GF or some of the other deluxe resorts. Money they’d never spend elsewhere. Lots of people splurge at DW.

It’s truly hilarious when people say you knew the monorail is popular or you can stay somewhere else. Or one of my favorites you knew Disney allowed the public

But what else is there to say if people don’t agree with you? Most of what has been suggested is not acceptable to you.

The comments of go stay somewhere else are so pandering, tone deaf and useless

You don’t want to listen, but maybe there is some truth to what is being said. It sounds like you’re never going to be happy unless you get your way.

 

[Lewisc]

So if a peasant has an adr for 6pm what time would they be granted access to the grandeur? What time are they banished from the kingdom?

Disney has open resorts. Non hotel guests have transportation options , including walking.

A real 5* hotel is staffed differently. You'll be greeted when you enter. I'm sorry we won't
be able to seat you early. Would like me to show you to our cocktail lounge? You're welcome to sit in our lobby but coming back might be a better use of your time

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

People should get a “strike” against them when they do that .

There's no rule that you have to eat any food at Disney or anywhere else. There has been adjustments Disney made such as turning lunch into prix fixe but so long as you're paying that, you (general you) can't police what people are and aren't eating. Disney is not going to care either, it's less food waste and they still get money out of it. I do think it's not considering others who may have wanted that dining slot but since Disney switched to prix fixe ADRs have been very plentiful for BOG anyhow including day of.

BOG is also not open for breakfast any more and back in the day it was a popular PPO (pre-park opening) dining location, even more so when they also had the paid morning "event" of EMM (early morning magic).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It’s truly hilarious when people say you knew the monorail is popular or you can stay somewhere else. Or one of my favorites you knew Disney allowed the public

I’m sorry when you buy a bmw do you expect a bmw or a Toyota with a bmw sticker

If you pay top dollar for a product it is 100% reasonable to expect similar service

Anyone who can afford to stay at gf has I guarantee stayed at top resorts around the world given the price point. People have an expectation right or wrong that if you pay top dollar you get top dollar resorts, services, amenities

Back to car analogy. If you buy a BMW you expect it to drive like a bmw not a Toyota

The comments of go stay somewhere else are so pandering, tone deaf and useless

You are the one in control of your choices are you not? The comments aren't what you want to hear but removing yourself from the situation that is so frustrating to you is the option you and only you can control. If you want to stay frustrated by all means continue to stay at the Grand Floridian during the holidays and hope that Disney changes procedures. The other option is you let go of your frustration, stop judging people and assuming things about guests you see in the resort. That is also within your control.