Grand Floridian RPC=Really Poor Concierge

Originally posted by uromac
...Mother's Day ... That morning, we decided... to go... to one our favorites, BOMA... I stopped down at the concierge at 9:00 am to make a reservation and was told that they were totally booked... At 3:30... told me the restaurant was booked...
I mentioned to this poorly trained man that I was under the impression that a concierge helped in securing dining reservations... I know it was Mother's Day , but all we were asking for was a priority seating at a BUFFET. Didn't staying at the RPC and spending over $500 a day entitle us to this small favor, I asked.
Is this true? Because concierge level costs more for the room, does that entitle the concierge guest to priority seating at any restaurant in Walt Disney World, on any day of the year, for a same-day request? I realize that this particular request doesn't seem like too much to ask and I realize that their way of handling it could have been better (the lack of follow-up is really regretable). But if the restaurant told the concierge that they are truly fully booked, why is that the concierge's fault?

If a guest suggested to me that their paid room rate entitled them to special favors that I was not authorized to provide, I'm not sure I'd be able to please them. If the concierges are actually authorized to override a restaurant's P.S. policy, then they ought to do so when needed. I'm just asking if that's actually something Disney concierges are able to do.
 
I am so sad to see this post! I had major problems with RPC way back in 1999. I won't go into the whole, long-version of the story, but our stay was also horrible. I really thought things would be better over there by now. It was Nov. 1999 and my Dh & I were married on the beach (now the new pool) at the GF. On our wedding night, we stayed at RPC. It was awful - too many things to go into now. Suffice it to say I was in tears taking to the manager at the front desk the next morning and he basically gave me the I'm sorry, it will never happen again routine. He then offered to transfer our bags to our next resort - and I told him that I'd take them to our car myself and deliver them, as they would surely lose them! :o

We had almost decided to stay there all week for our honeymoon. But, in the end thought we'd stay (after our wedding night) with all our guests at ASMu, and I am so glad we did! We had such great service there - it beat GF by far. I will never stay at GF again.

I also wrote to Georgina a three page letter about 7 months after the fact since the whole situation was still eating away at me. I got a call from her assitant at the time. She was nice and yessed me to death. Nothing really they could do at that point, I suppose. They did find out that we were returning for our first anniversary and sent a huge gift basket to our room at POFQ - as well as upgrading us to water view. Nice gesture - at least we got something in the form of an apology from them.

I hope Georgina does respond to you and that something finally gets done to overhaul the concierge staff at RPC. It's a shame to spend such outrageous amounts of money and be treated as many of us have been by their staff.

Kristi
 
I've never stayed at GF, much less RPC, and the messages here make me want to stay FAR AWAY. What is most distressing is, as others have pointed out, this is supposed to be the flagship resort of WDW! I would think that for the prices per night mentioned here, one would get not just superior, but absolutely excellent service.

My stays at other Disney concierge floors have been fantastic. Our last trip in May was to WL concierge -- for our 25th anniversary. One of the staff there, Randall, literally took care of my DW and I like royalty.

Now I read about how people are treated at GF RPC and I am shocked, saddened and a little angry. Reports indicate this has gone on since 1999?!? What's up with that?

Unless I won the lottery, I don't think I'd be able to afford GF RPC, but if I ever do, I'd vote with my wallet and stay elsewhere. I hope Disney sees these messages and takes some action.
 
I think that the point is how poorly the RPC CMs handle all of these situations, not that concierge guests are entitled to PS's at any restaurant of their choosing at any time of the day.

The guests are not the problem here and if you read this thread as well as others over the last couple of YEARS you will find that there is a pattern of problems at the RPC.
 

Kristi...I DO wish you would give more details on how awful the GF could be that you'd rather stay at ASMovies? I really can not believe you'd prefer the Budget Motel over the nicest resort at WDW.:rolleyes:
 
There is no way you can compare a stay at the GF to one at the AS's. And, yes, I have stayed at both (stayed 5 nights at ASMu last March). I felt that the staff at the hotel was horrible, they did not want to help with anything. We even felt like an inconvience checking-in! The CM treated us like we were making a big request when we spent 1.8 minute(s) checking-in (no, I'm not sure about the exact check-in process time, but all they did was slide our CC thru, and give us our resort id's and we were on our way - no questions, no nothing). The front desk line was the longest I've ever seen at any hotel. We must have waited a good 45-50 minutes in line (10PM).
 
Originally posted by pollyanna
Kristi...I DO wish you would give more details on how awful the GF could be that you'd rather stay at ASMovies? I really can not believe you'd prefer the Budget Motel over the nicest resort at WDW.:rolleyes:

I wouldn't call the GF the nicest WDW resort. It's nice, and FAR above the All Stars, but the nicest? Nope, not even close in my book.

Anne
 
I also wanted to note that the AKL concierge asked for our birthdays, as well as our anniversary. They called on my birthday to wish me a happy birthday, this was a few months after we stayed there. What a nice gesture! I'll actually be staying AT the AKL ON my birthday next year :) THey've made a guest for life!

Anne
 
uromac, I am appalled that they said you were asking for special treatment and that they treat all guests the same. Isn’t special treatment the whole point of concierge?? Isn’t that what you’re paying for? Sheesh! And I just can't believe that so many people have complained and nothing has changed. This is so sad.
 
Originally posted by CaliforniaDreaming
There is no way you can compare a stay at the GF to one at the AS's. And, yes, I have stayed at both (stayed 5 nights at ASMu last March). I felt that the staff at the hotel was horrible, they did not want to help with anything. We even felt like an inconvience checking-in! The CM treated us like we were making a big request when we spent 1.8 minute(s) checking-in (no, I'm not sure about the exact check-in process time, but all they did was slide our CC thru, and give us our resort id's and we were on our way - no questions, no nothing). The front desk line was the longest I've ever seen at any hotel. We must have waited a good 45-50 minutes in line (10PM).

You know, I stayed in All Stars music once, and I stayed in Grand Floridian once, and I just realized that for our stays they had something in common that no other wdw resort that we've stayed in has ever done (I think we've stayed in 6 others) - at both of them we had to carry luggage to our rooms by ourselves!

DR
 
i think that a/c was installed in their most recent renovations...
we also experienced that (turning off during the night due to lack of movement).......
but besides that, we loved our stay at the GF in early July...
however, we stayed in the sugarloaf concierge, not the RPC....
the staff in sugarloaf was exactly the opposite of what you described....they never stopped smiling.....were friendly.....helpful.....
we were very pleased with our stay there...
 
pollyanna-

just because it's a "Budget Motel" as you call it, does not mean that it can't have better service than the so called Flagship Disney resort! :rolleyes:

I have stayed at a deluxe, moderate and the All Stars and I can tell you I believe the quality of service I received at the All Stars was far superior! If you haven't stayed at an All Stars then it's hard to know what the service is like, IMHO!

It always cracks me up when I read that just cause you pay more for a room it will always mean you get more! That's not always the case, esp when it comes to service! ;)
 
Originally posted by Lisa P.
Is this true? Because concierge level costs more for the room, does that entitle the concierge guest to priority seating at any restaurant in Walt Disney World, on any day of the year, for a same-day request? I realize that this particular request doesn't seem like too much to ask and I realize that their way of handling it could have been better (the lack of follow-up is really regretable). But if the restaurant told the concierge that they are truly fully booked, why is that the concierge's fault?

If a guest suggested to me that their paid room rate entitled them to special favors that I was not authorized to provide, I'm not sure I'd be able to please them. If the concierges are actually authorized to override a restaurant's P.S. policy, then they ought to do so when needed. I'm just asking if that's actually something Disney concierges are able to do.

I don't know if anyone's answered your question yet, so I will :)

No, staying in *any* concierge room in *any* of the hotels does not *entitle* a guest to PS at the last minute. It CAN be one of the perks, but in no way, shape or form is it *guaranteed*, or advertised or promoted by Disney as a benefit.

I REALLY hope this doesn't come across as sounding too harsh, because I don't mean it that way, but ... I just do not understand why people get SO upset, and downright indignent, when they don't "get things for free". IMHO, yes, of course it would be nice to have gotten a gift/card for a birthday, or anniversary, or whatever, from the concierge ... but if you don't, you don't. Would you expect the concierge of any other hotel, in a big city, in a foreign country, to do that? Probably not!


I realize that Disney is supposed to be "magical", and to me, it IS magical, still, even after all these years! But being magical doesn't necessarily make one a magician~ able to pull non existant ressies out of a hat for dinner at the last minute that's booked on a holiday (should another guest have been bumped for you?? how fair is that?) ~ able to remember to send cards/greetings/gifts to every single guest who *says* it's their bday, anniversary, etc. (not saying YOU lied about that, but I am sure people do) ... I think you get the gist of what I'm saying here. It's not a grant of *entitlement* - you ARE getting what you paid for -- that being a very nice room, food & beverages from 6 am - 10 pm at no cost, and the services of the RPC cm's to do what they can when they can, to make your stay better....
 
Originally posted by imbe@aol.com
It's not a grant of *entitlement* - you ARE getting what you paid for -- that being a very nice room, food & beverages from 6 am - 10 pm at no cost, and the services of the RPC cm's to do what they can when they can, to make your stay better....

That's rather what I'd always thought. Just wondered after the previous post mentioning Mother's Day and BOMA. We've never stayed in concierge rooms. Thanks for the info.
 
First and foremost I must state that I am a WDW fan. However, I must say that I was truly disappointed with the service level of the RPC. As my dh said in another post this was the whole point of our staying there for my 40th birthday this past May. To say that the FLAGSHIP of the Disney resorts is not supposed to represent the ULTIMATE in the whole disney credo which WDW represents is a distortion of the facts. Disney prides itself on being Disney friendly and attentive to every detail and every CM has always been that way in all our encounters except for the Grand Floridian.

It is not that we expect to be treated differently, but rather, because of their supposed Disney training, be assured to receive a certain level of service throughout Disney. We have just stayed at two Four Season resorts(standard room/not a superior or suite level) and received the same excellent (similar, or I hate to even admit it, above the Disney service hallmark) where they treated everyone like royalty with their service (e.g. spelling my dd's name in sponge letters across the bathtub wall along with kid's shampoo and conditioner). From the concierge, to food and room services, and to the bell services, each person was the nicest, and most attentive hotel personnel that we have met other than at Disney. Was this expected no, but it is representative of the service one comes to expect when going to and paying for a resort of that level and quality. Just like remembering someone's birthday, special requests, illnesses, etc. Could people be stating to CRO erroneously that is their birthday. Again, the answer is perhaps yes. But, and it is here is where the big but is, isn't it worth it for Disney to provide a relatively low cost and effort I might add (note, balloon, disney towel animal) in the grand (floridian- lol) scheme of things, for the amount of priceless PR and return visits it will receive for those (albeit insignificant to some) tokens of service. Is it necessary, no, but it is and now to some extent was those differences that had made staying on-site special during a trip to Disney. There is no denying that Disney is cutting back, but I hope it is not going to spread to its hiring practices. I believe it is the training and corporate philosophies (again relatively low cost, but cost effective long term) that drive each business to a certain standard. Disney prides itself on hiring and training the best (many corporations in fact send their employees to learn the Disney difference at their corporate university) and also going the extra mile for their visitors. Therefore, when you stay at a Flagship resort you expect and pay to receive those services. It was mentioned to me at another concierge resort on WDW that they submit the requests for PS's the night before the 60 day time frame for breakfast at the castle, etc. Is that fair? No, but it is when it is assumed that you are PAYING for that level of service. Is it a guarantee? No, nothing is a guarantee but death and taxes. But let's not be naive about what Disney infers when it offers concierge service. A Priority Seating is nothing more than just that a priority seating, they always tell you that when you book any reservation, it is not for a guaranteed time. We were not asking for the moon, the Chef's table at V&A or some other thing which obviously has a limited number per night for reservations, but rather just that a priority seating to a buffet which we all know has cancellations, no shows, partial parties, etc. Do not tell me if a celebrity came through the GF concierge they would not be able to secure a BOMA ps! Not that we are celebrities, but resort guests. The way we were treated I would not treat one of my guests at my home. We did not want a specific time for dinner, but rather a foot in the door for a PS. Would we have waited? - sure! That's all we wanted and finally obtained with a persistence that should not have been necessary. It was more the attitude of the CM's that were the most disturbing. Not given package deliveries for a birthday, and not caring and/or following up on things. These are STANDARD concierge services, not unmanageable expectations. We were not demanding, but perhaps this was just the stray that broke the camel's back for us. Their golden jewel of a WDW resort will always be a little tarnished for us. Do I still love Disney? Of course I do, I think the GF is a beautiful resort but beauty is only skin deep, and it is the character that shines through and leaves a lasting impression. Unfortunately, to me the Disney character is more representative - and many I might add agree with me judging from the postings on these boards - that it is the Y/B, WL, AKL, and Poly (looking its years but none the less great) concierges which truly show and glow in the Disney magic tradition that the GF has lost.

This is IMHO what has always made WDW special for me.

Melissa
25 plus stays all around the "world"
next stay BCV in 10 days!

No, staying in *any* concierge room in *any* of the hotels does not *entitle* a guest to PS at the last minute. It CAN be one of the perks, but in no way, shape or form is it *guaranteed*, or advertised or promoted by Disney as a benefit.

I REALLY hope this doesn't come across as sounding too harsh, because I don't mean it that way, but ... I just do not understand why people get SO upset, and downright indignent, when they don't "get things for free". IMHO, yes, of course it would be nice to have gotten a gift/card for a birthday, or anniversary, or whatever, from the concierge ... but if you don't, you don't. Would you expect the concierge of any other hotel, in a big city, in a foreign country, to do that? Probably not!


I realize that Disney is supposed to be "magical", and to me, it IS magical, still, even after all these years! But being magical doesn't necessarily make one a magician~ able to pull non existant ressies out of a hat for dinner at the last minute that's booked on a holiday (should another guest have been bumped for you?? how fair is that?) ~ able to remember to send cards/greetings/gifts to every single guest who *says* it's their bday, anniversary, etc. (not saying YOU lied about that, but I am sure people do) ... I think you get the gist of what I'm saying here. It's not a grant of *entitlement* - you ARE getting what you paid for -- that being a very nice room, food & beverages from 6 am - 10 pm at no cost, and the services of the RPC cm's to do what they can when they can, to make your stay better.... [/B][/QUOTE]
 
You hit the nail on the head. It really comes down to customer retention. Win over a customer once and they'll come back 5 times and tell 10 of their friends (in the age of the Internet that's more like 10,000). But lose a customer and it will cost 10 times the amount to gain them back. And now, in the age of the Internet, they'll tell 100,000 of their friends too.

This is the equation that Disney is dealing with. Right now they're on the losing side. I think everyone who has critiqued the RPC service will agree that it wouldn't have taken much to make them happy at the time. A towel animal here, a robe there. A working thermostat, a strawberry plate, or a PS. That's all it would have taken and these last few hundred posts would never have happend. Instead we'd be reading glowing reports on the trip report board and all booking GF Disney vacations as soon as we could afford them. Now we're all hoping that those vacations we already have planned don't get screwed up as well. If they do, how much money will Disney have to spend to get us all back on board? Much more than a plate of strawberries, that's for sure.
 
i'm really wondering about all this.....
perhaps i just have much lower expectations....
has anyone stayed at both the RPC and the Sugarloaf concierges at the GF?
i'd love to hear their comparison...
we absolutely loved the sugarloaf concierge and were very pleased with the service/friendliness/etc....

but as i said, maybe our expectations were much lower....
it's true that the food service is much more limited than at the YC and BC.....despite that, we much prefer the GF....

and we were also very pleased with the non-concierge CMs whom we encountered during our stay......

we really can't wait to go back....
 
Melissa - Bravo!

Perhaps the RPC CMs could take a field trip to the Four Seasons for some training. We have stayed at many Four Seasons resorts in suites as concierge guests and in regular rooms. Disney does not compare.

IMBE@aol.com - I know you are a big fan of the GF, and I appreciate your remarks. Your experience was vastly different than what others are reporting. There are too many reports of problems, not just high expectations. Service is a problem at the RPC, and it is not the fault of the guests.

We did not expect much from them, but as Janet2K posted, they screwed up reservations that we made on our own, too (SPA, birthday cake delivery - we ordered and paid for the cake ourselves and they changed the arrangements to a different day! The cake was a surprise my DH arranged for me, complete with flowers, balloons, etc. I did not know anything about it until a RPC CM came to our room to tell me that she had changed the arrangements for the surprise I arranged! Surprise!).

Being told by a RPC CM that I would whine about my room being too cold if they fixed the thermostat (it was above 80 degrees in the room, and would not drop) when I have a child with respiratory problems who needed cooler air is a problem.

We were not looking for strawberries, towel animals, etc. We were also not looking for the snotty attitude that many of the RPC CMs displayed. Without Mejay, I think our 2 weeks with them would have been a nightmare.
 
Wiat, don't tell me they changed the date for a surprise that was prearranged!! Sorry if I missed the post earlier I am a little behind in getting all these posts read.

I am posting this mearly as an experience.....but we had a paid reservation to stay there for a stay over Christmas Day last year. We were staying at the Polynesian Concierge over the 4th of July and I sent my DH over to check out the size of the room and where we could put a tree. I was very nervous about this trip. My DH came back with the strangest look on his face and said we had to change our reservation??? He said he knew he picked the resort but he was met with nothing but rude CM's. and I would not enjoy our stay there. He said he could understand if they could not show him a room in advance and answer a few ?'s but it was how rude they were. He did talk to a manager who was more than able to accomodate the request but should that have been necessary? Anyway after a small panic, he called over to the the BWI Concierge and was taken on a tour of several rooms also told what to request and the CM calls someone at CRO for him to talk to for our reservation. My DH also brings back all of us (me and our 3 children) for another look as per the CM and he offers us the rest of the chocolate covered strawberries from the desserts to take back with us (we declined). This is just to compare the 2 experiences.

We have had great stays at other Concierge levels as well. I read all the good and bad posts when I am deciding on a resort and think about what is important to me. So......thank you everyone for posting even when it is not so easy. Laurie :D
 
To be fair to Disney, here is a Disney concierge service comparison:

We stayed at the YC concierge on a previous trip. We need milk for our little one. At the GF/RPC several times a day we went to the lounge, found a CM who got us a glass of milk. We finally got tired of doing that over nearly 2 weeks, and we went to the grill and bought milk for the room, so we did not have to ask each time. At the YC, the first time I asked for milk, the CM asked who I needed it for and how long we would be their guest. I explained, and the CM arranged for a refrigerator for the room (no charge) and gave me a gallon of milk. Then the CMs (she must have told her coworkers that we have a little milk drinker) in the lounge always asked if we had enough in our room and could they get us more? Big difference in service!

Yes, the GF CMs changed the date of my birth! Surprise! The biggest problem was that they told me about the surprise when I was to be the recipient. They spoiled all the work that my DH did!
 


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