Government shut down will affect you

[iheartdisney]

My husband is in the military, so yeah... Really, how hard is it to sign an executive order funding the DoD? Or supporting a bill to continue to fund the DoD?
Maybe people should vote forsomeone based on their POLICIES! A commander in chief needs to step up and support his troops. Instead he is still voting present!

 

[SunnyP4Disney]

My husband is in the military, so yeah... Really, how hard is it to sign an executive order funding the DoD? Or supporting a bill to continue to fund the DoD?
Maybe people should vote forsomeone based on their POLICIES! A commander in chief needs to step up and support his troops. Instead he is still voting present!

Huh? I honestly can't really understand what you're trying to convey, but a sitting President has no authority to VOTE for anything. He's not part of the legislative brach, he's executive. He can't sign an executive order just out of thin air in regards to the budget, it has to go through our legislative process first. Executive orders are extremely rare, usually declared acts of war without consent of Congress, and can be considered an abuse of power.

My DH is military too, has been for the past eighteen years. We do vote for people based on their policies, after doing our own research and not getting our info from soundbytes from talking heads on the TV.

Defense spending accounts for the majority of our budget each year. Most cuts are coming out of smaller agencies and programs because both parties are trying their best to keep the DoD funded.

 

[iheartdisney]

Huh? I honestly can't really understand what you're trying to convey, but a sitting President has no authority to VOTE for anything. He's not part of the legislative brach, he's executive. He can't sign an executive order just out of thin air in regards to the budget, it has to go through our legislative process first. Executive orders are extremely rare, usually declared acts of war without consent of Congress, and can be considered an abuse of power.

My DH is military too, has been for the past eighteen years. We do vote for people based on their policies, after doing our own research and not getting our info from soundbytes from talking heads on the TV.

Defense spending accounts for the majority of our budget each year. Most cuts are coming out of smaller agencies and programs because both parties are trying their best to keep the DoD funded.

Threatening to veto a bill to fund the DoD in case of a government shutdown, referring to such a bill as a "distraction", is NOT supporting the troops he is supposed to be commander of. He lost my respect when he made it apparent he cares NOTHING for usafter the Fort Hood TERRORIST ATTACK when he started the press conference by giving a shout out for the wonderful luncheon they just had. We were looking to him for answers, for hope, for leadership and he is still working the crowd.
Morale is at a low, with the everyone already worrying about making their PTS as the military is "right sized" once again.
It is simple math... when the reciepient class outweighs the provider class, the providing class gets weary from bearing the burden.
i did my research too, thanks! And stealing bob the builder's catch phrase is no marker for great leadership. The voting present comment that you took such offense at was a reference to his senate voting record (see, research!)

 

[SunnyP4Disney]

Threatening to veto a bill to fund the DoD in case of a government shutdown, referring to such a bill as a "distraction", is NOT supporting the troops he is supposed to be commander of. He lost my respect when he made it apparent he cares NOTHING for usafter the Fort Hood TERRORIST ATTACK when he started the press conference by giving a shout out for the wonderful luncheon they just had. We were looking to him for answers, for hope, for leadership and he is still working the crowd.
Morale is at a low, with the everyone already worrying about making their PTS as the military is "right sized" once again.
It is simple math... when the reciepient class outweighs the provider class, the providing class gets weary from bearing the burden.
i did my research too, thanks! And stealing bob the builder's catch phrase is no marker for great leadership. The voting present comment that you took such offense at was a reference to his senate voting record (see, research!)

This thread was supposed to be for informative purposes, not to debate. Let me ask you a question, how much in taxes did you pay last year? Did you receive the EIC? Isn't a portion of your pay non taxable? Don't you receive FREE medical care from the government? Sounds alot like the description of your recepient in question. Yes, my DH has some of his pay non taxable, but we are dual income and paid thousands upon thousands of dollars in federal income tax last year. So I pay out my share, thank you.

The reason this STOPGAP measure will not work is it adds riders in that are part of social agendas that should be dealt with separately. It is smoke and mirrors to delay the inevitable. What both sides need to do is get in there and stop pushing agendas and do what's right for our nation. The political posturing helps no one and they won't be affected, we will and so will hundreds of thousands of others.

Your previous post was all over the place, when you use the term PRESIDENT, I think in terms of that, your inference was unclear.

 

[olwyngdh]

...lots of politial ranting...

PLEASE keep the politics out of this so we don't get shut down. We are all worried, and at least here we can find like minds to share that worry and any information we have.

 

[Dsnygrl1205]

OUCH! Some people are doing the best they can with what they have

Amen to that.

 

[eeyorethegreat]

PLEASE keep the politics out of this so we don't get shut down. We are all worried, and at least here we can find like minds to share that worry and any information we have.

Though this is a political issue I am sure we all can discuss the issues a shut down will bring personally without debating the politics.

I feel really bad for those who have trips planned that may have to cancel due to this.

For the military people, we are used to living in limbo but this just adds to it. My Dh was told that he didn't need to worry about his pay there would still be pay coming through. I think that it was beng sugar coated for him and the other troops considering Dep Defense Secretary was pretty clear: http://www.army.mil/-news/2011/04/0...e-on-potential-government-shutdown/index.html

PPs are right a shut down can totally set any progress some areas have made in the economy is going to be undone depending on how long the debate goes on. Its

 

[gibsontrio]

The no leave direction we have came from OPM, and at least in our case, is not directed at the military...

They may have a different directive..

I think you are right on this. We should (active military) not be affected by this as far as taking leave. My husband is going to double check, but since we arent being furloughed (we just arent being paid) we do not fall under this. It is geared toward national guard. Hoping you and I are right. We have enough savings to carry us through this, but hopefully it should work out today

 

[Swimalie]

I think you are right on this. We should (active military) not be affected by this as far as taking leave. My husband is going to double check, but since we arent being furloughed (we just arent being paid) we do not fall under this. It is geared toward national guard. Hoping you and I are right. We have enough savings to carry us through this, but hopefully it should work out today

I'm sorry this is happening to anyone but it's not just the military. A friend of mine is secret service and on the presidential detail. He will be working without pay as well. No guarantee that he will get paid from his supervisors.

 

[ssawka]

I'm sorry this is happening to anyone but it's not just the military. A friend of mine is secret service and on the presidential detail. He will be working without pay as well. No guarantee that he will get paid from his supervisors.

The furloughs are going to affect over 800,000 federal employees and that doesn't even count all the contractors.

The military tends to have a myopic view of the world. This is affecting a lot more people than just the troops.

 

[punkin]

The furloughs are going to affect over 800,000 federal employees and that doesn't even count all the contractors.

The military tends to have a myopic view of the world. This is affecting a lot more people than just the troops.

That's a bit harsh. I think all of us are mostly seeing how this shutdown would affect us and those close to us. I have no one I am close to in the military so their issues are not as close to my heart. I am sure that someone in the military doesn't really care as much about my problems with the shutdown as well. We are all somewhat myopic. The problems in my back yard are always worse than other people's problems.

 

[kiddo76]

The new issue, however, is that there is a possibility that those who are exempt can't take regular medical or personal leave. If they do, the furlough will kick in. Of all times...we are planning a short trip to FL over spring break. If we don't get back-pay, we'll survive, somehow, for those three days.

What nobody can answer is whether or not the furlough (brought on my the vacation leave) will end as soon as they return to work OR if they get kicked into the general furlough...meaning no pay until everyone returns to work.
If this is the case, he certainly can't risk no pay for an unknown amount of time, so he will have to skip the trip. Thank goodness this isn't a Disney trip, or something else that we had paid thousands to take.

None of them have any idea if they are really exempt or not. They won't know until they show up for work Monday morning.

This is a nightmare. It would be easier if we knew all the rules and could mentally prepare. But nobody seems to really know what will happn.

I suppose it would depend on your management whether you can return to work. Not everyone where DH work is considered exempt, even people with the same job description will differ. They are only keeping certain mission critical projects going and will only be staffing the minimum amount of people to support those projects. Those people will be excepted and they will need ALL those people to work, every day. The vast majority of people will be furloughed. If an excepted employee took leave, they would have to be replaced by someone else who was furloughed. I can't imagine a manager would call a furloughed employee up and say "Hey, John, an excepted employee, needs to go to Disney for 4 days, can you come to work those 4 days and then go back to furloughed status?"

I don't think it's a matter of taking leave and then "kicking in" to the furlough. It doesn't really work that way.

If you are excepted or essential - meaning you have to work - you cannot take leave. That information is in a number of the posts and links above. All leave is cancelled. Scroll up to post #167 from Hoodie where he quotes the OPM rules on leave.

Not necessarily true. Excepted employees cannot take PAID leave. If they take any leave, they will be put into a furloughed status. However, management can tell an excepted employee that he must arrive to work or be considered AWOL.

DH is one of those excepted employees that must go to work. However, if any of his excepted employees decides to take leave, they will be placed into fuloughed status and replaced with a non-excepted employee.

I do not know how military leave is handled. However, it does sound like you are either excepted and working or furloughed and not working. It doesn't sound like there is any such thing as 'excepted on leave'.

DH was told he needed to tell all his employees of their excepted/non-excepted status today. Then everyone will have to show up for work on Monday to conduct shutdown procedures.

 

[TheRatPack]

We paper filed our returns this year and so we'll be held off even longer. We paper filed back in March, because of the adoption tax credit. We've seen people still waiting on their refund from February though, so I don't think the government shutting down is really holding us up as much as the new laws surrounding the ATC.

 

[DisneyFed]

I'm sorry this is happening to anyone but it's not just the military. A friend of mine is secret service and on the presidential detail. He will be working without pay as well. No guarantee that he will get paid from his supervisors.

Trust me....I feel his pain

Who knows.....the whole thing is a three ring circus.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

This thread was supposed to be for informative purposes, not to debate. Let me ask you a question, how much in taxes did you pay last year? Did you receive the EIC? Isn't a portion of your pay non taxable? Don't you receive FREE medical care from the government? Sounds alot like the description of your recepient in question. Yes, my DH has some of his pay non taxable, but we are dual income and paid thousands upon thousands of dollars in federal income tax last year. So I pay out my share, thank you.

That's a very broad brush and bordering ignorant. My DH is Active Duty and I am a SAHM. We DO NOT qualify (not even close) for EIC and we too pay "thousands upon thousands of dollars in federal income tax". No, our medical care isn't "free". It is an insurance system that we pay into every month, and while generally it is a good system, it absolutely has it's own set of negative attributes.

And while, yes, I agree that political posturing isn't going to help anyone at this stage of the game, it is disheartening to hear that young families, some who are separated by half of the globe, will have trouble buying groceries next week if those on Capitol Hill don't get their collective heads out of their patooties. We will scrambling to help provide for young families in our squadron who will need help to pay the mortgage or rent if this doesn't come to a conclusion soon. Not to mention the 100 or so "non-essential" civilian workers in the squadron who won't even get back pay during a furlough.

 

[AmberHeartsDisney]

Sadly you can never could on a paycheck. This is why having a 3-6 month emergency fund is so important.

 

[marie1203]

It is all of the politicians fault, all of congress, all of the house. And just what we are doing now is what is keeping them from making decisions instead of working together for the the people we are too caught up in political parties.

 

[LilGMom]

A little FYI:

From OPM, - "The Potential Impact of a Lapse in Appropriations on Federal Employees"

 

[soonerlpn]

Sadly you can never could on a paycheck. This is why having a 3-6 month emergency fund is so important.

Sadly that is near impossible for a single parent. I hope all of this gets straightened out asap!

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Dh came home today to share some of the latest discussions on the topic at work. He is fairly certain that his area will be exempt from the furlough, whih is a good thing.

The new issue, however, is that there is a possibility that those who are exempt can't take regular medical or personal leave. If they do, the furlough will kick in. Of all times...we are planning a short trip to FL over spring break. If we don't get back-pay, we'll survive, somehow, for those three days.

What nobody can answer is whether or not the furlough (brought on my the vacation leave) will end as soon as they return to work OR if they get kicked into the general furlough...meaning no pay until everyone returns to work.If this is the case, he certainly can't risk no pay for an unknown amount of time, so he will have to skip the trip. Thank goodness this isn't a Disney trip, or something else that we had paid thousands to take.

None of them have any idea if they are really exempt or not. They won't know until they show up for work Monday morning.

This is a nightmare. It would be easier if we knew all the rules and could mentally prepare. But nobody seems to really know what will happn.

I could be wrong, but I asked DH about this and he said that being an essential employee, if he (my DH) didn't come into work he would be considered AWOL, even though he is not in the military. We are waiting until the last minute to cancel a trip for this next week.