Got the Florida Bug

sue

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Ok, after about 6 trips to Florida in the past past 10 years, our entire family wants to relocate from Minnesota( land of the frozen everything) to Florida( land of the UN-frozen everything) We have lived in Minnesota our entire lives. We love the changing of the seasons and our city and state, however we have gotten to the point in our lives that we hate the winters. This year expecially. We had the coldest,windiest winter ever!!.

Please, can you give us your thoughts on why we should relocate. It would involve my husband finding a new job (he works in technical "call" support for a software company and myself restarting my career as a licensed daycare provider. How are wages in these two fields? We will be able to pay about 3/4 down on a house and will have vertially no other debt. We do know about 3-4 other families in Florida, so we wouldn't be there without knowing anyone. Could anyone also give me a idea of what company they used to move them and what parts of Florida have great schools? We have one kid that's still in high school (doesn't care if she has to finish in another high school) and one that is going to be working for Disney within about a year. She is going down for the college internship program very soon.

Would love to hear any of your stories and help you have for me.

Thanks!
 
Okay, another Minnesotan here who had to survive our "on the cold side" winter this year. We have often thought we would like to "winter" in Florida, but I have to tell you, there is NO WAY I will ever spend a summer in Florida! We have traveled there a couple of Septembers, and the heat, humidity, BUGS, and mold were enough to drive me crazy. DH has also had to do some work there, and after a few days in the summer, he said he would NEVER go back except in winter. Each place has their "hell", and for Minnesotans it's winter, and Floridians it's summer. I guess you are destined to spend half your year indoors. It's just WHICH half that makes the difference.
 
there is NO WAY I will ever spend a summer in Florida! We have traveled there a couple of Septembers, and the heat, humidity, BUGS, and mold were enough to drive me crazy.

I can't tolerate the heat and humidity of Florida in the Summer, and I thought the humidity in North Carolina was bad!
 
I can't tolerate the heat and humidity of Florida in the Summer, and I thought the humidity in North Carolina was bad!

I thought the same thing, however, this past year in MN we had dewpoints in the 70's and temps in the mid 90"s. We even planned a trip to WDW in August to test ourselves. We found that it was really no different than what we were experiencing in MN at that time. We had weeks of hot and humid over this past summer. I figure if we have it at MN, why not move. The bugs don't bother me. Heck you have them anywhere. I think a person acclimates themselves over time to any place.
 

You forgot one other thing about Florida summers--the threat of hurricanes and tropical storms. The storms of 2005 have made it next to impossible to find a private insurance company for homeowner insurance.

The largest insurer in Florida is the state run insurer of last resort, Citizens Insurance. Various sources claim that if Florida experiences another summer like 2005 the state run system will be unable to pay damage claims in full.

Florida's property tax system is another area that is problematic. I've lived in my home for about 20 years. The home next to ours recently sold and that neighbor is paying nearly 4 times ($8,000!) the amount of property taxes as I--our homes are nearly indentical in features and size. The voters recently enacted an amendment to address this problem but the jury is out on whether or not things will improve.

I can't comment on the call center industry other than to note that several large call centers have recently pulled out of the Tampa Bay area.
 
I have very good friends who moved from NJ to Florida about 5-7 years ago. They have been very pleased with the Tarpon Springs School system in Florida. They even sold his brother, sister-in-law, on the area. No children in that family, but both are very happy with the area and their decision.

Bobbi:goodvibes
 
I'm a native Floridian who grew up as an Army brat and never lived here until adulthood -- but I've lived here ever since. I live in suburban Miami, about 25 miles from downtown.

The biggest pros, IMHO, about living in Florida are the weather and the tax structure.

The heat and humidity that many mention is MUCH more of a problem in the Orlando area than it is on either coast. Here in Miami, we rarely get above 92 degrees in the summer, and there is almost always a nice tradewind blowing which makes it more tolerable. Eventually -- usually about September -- the humidity starts to wear on you a bit, but it's nothing like the weather in WDW. The summer thunderstorms can be quite fierce, and they require some adjustment.

Yes, we have a hurricane season -- June 1 to November 30. To be honest, every place on the planet has some kind of weather issue, and hurricanes are not really something we worry about much. We actually worry a lot more about hurricane insurance than we do about storms. (My State Farm insurance doubled this year and we're looking for alternatives.) If a storm comes, we just button up, ride it out, and go through a period of inconvenience. When both Katrina and Wilma hit us in 2005, we were without electricity for a total of 7 days (although some were out much longer with Wilma than we were).

Generally, the weather here is warm, and it's humid in the summer months. You adjust; it's no big deal.

Yes, we have bugs. And lizards and frogs who eat the bugs. And snakes who eat the lizards and frogs. And hawks who eat the snakes -- you get the picture. It's a lush subtropical landscape and bugs come with it. If you're really freaked out by bugs, don't move here. Or, you can do what I tell DD5 to do -- "Don't eat them." Our current wildlife adventure is we have a possum family who have set up shop in our yard. I'll be trapping and relocating them this week.

The tax structure is one of the things that draws many people to Florida. We have no income tax (it's prohibited by our state Constitution, and I can't imagine that ever changing).

Our local taxes come primarily from property tax, which is capped at 2 mills (1 for local government, 1 for public schools), so property taxes tend to be lower than most other places for comparable homes. Local governments also impose fees for things like Fire Rescue districts, water & sewer, streelight districts, etc.

There is a perceived fairness problem with a provision of our property tax law, called "Save Our Homes," which macman752 referred to. That provision says that homesteaded property valuations cannot rise faster than 3% per year, and that does lead to some inequities. My neighbor across the street, with a slightly smaller house than mine, pays more than double the taxes I pay because I've been here 10 years and they just bought two years ago. Due to a "portability" provision just passed, I can now take part of my "tax savings" with me if I sell this house and move elsewhere in Florida. The Save Our Homes limitations do NOT apply to part-time residents or commercial property. Your opinion of Save Our Homes is one of those "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" things -- if you benefit from it, you love it. If you pay more than your neighbor, you don't like it. But eventually, everyone's tax increases will be moderated by Save Our Homes.

Most of our state tax revenue is generated by sales tax, which is 6% statewide. Some counties have additional sales tax (Orange County has an extra 1/2%, I believe; Miami-Dade County has an extra 1%), and many counties also have a "tourist tax," which is levied on hotel rooms, restaurants, bars, etc.

The good thing about reliance on sales tax is that you wonderful folks who visit us each year (about 85 MILLION visitors a year!) pay a high percentage of that. I think the number is about 1/3 of all sales tax is paid by visitors.

The bad thing about sales tax is that it is extremely cyclical -- as the economy cycles downward (as it's doing now), sales tax revenues fall off sharply. That leads to boom/bust budget cycles for the Legislature to deal with. By state constitution, our state budget must be balanced, so right now our Legislature is trying to cope with a drop in revenues of more than $4 Billion in FY 2008-2009. It's going to be ugly and painful, and both state and local governments are going to be forced to make some difficult decisions.

Another good thing about Florida (IMHO) is that our state government has a tradition of being clean, open, and progressive. Florida's Sunshine Law, for example, has been a national model for open government for as long as I can remember, and it's extremely unusual to have a corruption issue at the state level, regardless of who is in office. We just worked through a corruption problem in our state Corrections department, but that was an individual problem, rather than a systemic problem.

Most issues at the state level are decided on a Floridian basis, rather than Republican or Democrat depending on who is in power. We have many more conflicts between North Florida and South Florida, and between urban counties and rural counties, than we have between political parties at the state level. (They fight like cats and dogs in national politics, but that's what they're supposed to do!)

Local governments are another story, and we've had significant corruption problems here in Miami, in Tampa, Jacksonville, and several other local governments.

To me, the biggest problem we have in Florida is our K-12 school system. Our public schools are a "unitary" system, which means that each county is a seperate school district. So we get one of two options -- 1) we have a school system like Miami-Dade (4th largest in the US) which is too large, too bureaucratic, and too corrupt to do anything but teach to the lowest common denominator, or 2) we have districts which are too small, and don't have the tax base to provide good education. Also, unlike many places, our School Boards are completely stand-alone governmental bodies, with their own tax source and complete autonomy. We do have some excellent school districts, and they tend to be in suburban counties which have good tax bases but are not too large and stratified. If I could change one thing in Florida government at any level, it would be the unitary school system.

We have an excellent community college system, and a great state university system, as well as tremendous scholarship funding through several sources...plus one of the best pre-paid college programs in the country.

We also have one of the best state parks systems in the U.S. Floridians tend to be quite environmentally-conscious, and we put our money where our mouths are. We are very aggressive in buying up environmentally-sensitive lands. We've spent almost $4 Billion of state money so far on Everglades restoration...just as one example.

Florida is a great state. We have our issues, like every state and locality does, but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
 
I was pricing homes in the Vero Beach area. While the prices are a lot lower than ours here in Maryland, the property taxes were not. That used to be a big draw in moving from a higher cost of living area to Florida, but the taxes were the same on an assessed home value that was 50% less than here in Maryland. The only benefit I can see at this time, is the fact that pensions are not taxed in Fla. It seems everything else equals itself out. I wonder how New Mexico would be for retirement? :goodvibes
 
Wow Jim. I couldn't add anything to that if I wanted to! Well done. I just wanted to address the weather issue. I agree with Jim about the South FL summers. I lived there for 10 years (after moving there from the very nice summers of RI). I found the time between May and October pretty warm and humid, but honestly not that bad. In the 10 years I was there I never saw the temp get over 94 degrees. The Gulf Stream is a powerful force! (At least that is what I was told as to why it never got above 94). Also, here in NC (triangle area) I find the summers (here in NC) actually worse. Yes, in FL it was always 93 or so during the day and lows in the low 80s (at night) but here it can easily hit 100 degrees (a few days per summer) and average 98 highs for a week at a time. And then it may be a couple of days with highs in the mid 80s. I can't take those very high temp days. I would rather have the constant of FL. Hope that makes sense!
 
I can't add much to what Jim said, above.

Remember, though, you go from your air-conditioned house to your air-conditioned car to the air-conditioned workplace/stores/mall, so heat/humidity usually are not issues.

As for the school systems, I'm in Brevard County--east of Orlando--and we generally have excellent public schools here. The school my DD's attend is generally the top ranked in the county and in the top five in the state.

All places have some good things and bad things to offer. I just think that Florida--at least Brevard Counts--offers much more good than bad!
 
Wow Jim. I couldn't add anything to that if I wanted to! Well done. I just wanted to address the weather issue. I agree with Jim about the South FL summers. I lived there for 10 years (after moving there from the very nice summers of RI). I found the time between May and October pretty warm and humid, but honestly not that bad. In the 10 years I was there I never saw the temp get over 94 degrees. The Gulf Stream is a powerful force! (At least that is what I was told as to why it never got above 94). Also, here in NC (triangle area) I find the summers (here in NC) actually worse. Yes, in FL it was always 93 or so during the day and lows in the low 80s (at night) but here it can easily hit 100 degrees (a few days per summer) and average 98 highs for a week at a time. And then it may be a couple of days with highs in the mid 80s. I can't take those very high temp days. I would rather have the constant of FL. Hope that makes sense!


Just 2 more cents about the weather....anywhere can be questionable and all areas can have their issues. We live an hour outside of Atlanta and never dreamed that a tornado could hit the downtown area. We have hot sticky humid summers with temps well into the high 90s and often top 100 degrees. We have a home in NC and even the summers in the moutains have become super hot with highs in 90s on many occassions.

Even with the super FLA heat, Dh and I plan to move to FLA at retirement. He has a lifelong dream to "drive the boat" at WDW! :)
 
I can't add much to what Jim said, above.

Remember, though, you go from your air-conditioned house to your air-conditioned car to the air-conditioned workplace/stores/mall, so heat/humidity usually are not issues.

As for the school systems, I'm in Brevard County--east of Orlando--and we generally have excellent public schools here. The school my DD's attend is generally the top ranked in the county and in the top five in the state.

All places have some good things and bad things to offer. I just think that Florida--at least Brevard Counts--offers much more good than bad!
I agree on Brevard county. My Dad used to have a home right on the Indian River on South Merritt Island, and I've always considered Brevard one of the best places in Florida to live.

The downsizing of the space industry over the years has kept home prices within the realm of reality (unlike Miami and Naples), and it's big enough without being too crowded (yet). Brevard is even more of a water wonderland than Miami, but without the huge crowds of people. And the weather is better -- you get a little bit of season change once you get above West Palm Beach.

About the only thing Brevard lacks is the BIG city amenities like our Performing Arts Center, great airline connections, and pro football, baseball, basketball, and hockey. But to many people, the lower density more than makes up for that, and Orlando is only an hour away, which provides some of the amenities.

The big issue for Brevard -- and in fact the whole state -- is growth management. Florida will double in population by about 2040-2045. We currently have about 17-18 million people, and we will blow past NY to become the 3rd most populous state in the 2010 census. South Florida will double in population by 2025, so our situation here is even more difficult, and the "I-4 corridor" is the other exploding growth area.
 
We are moving from NY to Fl within a year or two. Mostly because a. we just love it there b. here in NY you can't touch a decent house for under $500,00 in my area. Property taxes by me are way over $10,000. So we figure sun is a whole lot better then miserable ny weather!
 
Here in the Orlando area the hot season does well into October. I'm a native Floridain and must say I get sick of the heat. Orlando gets very humid. About 90% most of the time. But the most important thing is we're full at this time. The state is about to sink below sea level. :rotfl:
 
Here in the Orlando area the hot season does well into October. I'm a native Floridain and must say I get sick of the heat. Orlando gets very humid. About 90% most of the time. But the most important thing is we're full at this time. The state is about to sink below sea level. :rotfl:


Noticed the cute Gator in your sig. I guess that when DH and I finally make our move to FLA we will have to get used to seeing that symbol everywhere. It will be tough for us to adjust since we will be coming from the home of the Georgia Bulldogs! ;) Oh well, at least it wont be such a long drive to the GA/FLA game each year. :goodvibes Go Dawgs!
 
we just moved from Orlando after living there almost three years. I wanted to add to waht others said about the heat.

You are right that it is comparable to summers up north, the difference is taht in Orlando it lasts from may to october, not kidding! It is over 90 for three months straight and with the humidity that is about 106 at times!! It sucks, yes you get into the AC car but by the time the Ac kicks in you are already sweating, bleh!! You have to run your AC all the time if you have pets so costs are high. we worked outside so of course we hated it even more. Just my 2 cents!
 
We are moving from NY to Fl within a year or two. Mostly because a. we just love it there b. here in NY you can't touch a decent house for under $500,00 in my area. Property taxes by me are way over $10,000. So we figure sun is a whole lot better then miserable ny weather!

We are really considering moving from HI to FL because the cost of housing here is ridiculous. My DF has her heart set on working at Disney too, so we are just trying to find the right time to make the 6,000 mile move!!
 
I often joke to my wife that we are moving to FLA, usually during a cold spell here in Kansas. She always asks if I would miss the changes in seasons etc... My reply is that is why they have ski resorts. Snow should be visited at my choice of time. :)

But seriously some of the previous posts nailed it. You have bad weather or seasons everywhere. We have tornados that wipe entire towns off the map (Greensburg last year) and we have heat... two summers ago we had 16 days in a row over 100 degrees. The humidity isn't quite as bad but we're no Arizona either. To top it all off we have winters too, nothing like MN but we did have our first white out blizzard this year and while I was digging my wife's car out of the drift Florida and heat sounded GREAT! Would I move to Florida? Probably not but its always in the back of my mind since we bought our DVC membership.

Good luck on your decision, I say go for it! Just leave a piece of it for us visitors who help fund your state budget.
 
I too plan on moving to FL someday. However, and this is probably ridiculous, how many of you find snakes in your yards? I don't mean garter snakes or harmless snakes, I mean poisonous snakes. I have no interest in having to be worried everytime I wander around my yard. We have plenty of snakes in our yard, however, they are not poisonous, but sill startling!!! Am I being completely absurd?
 















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