Goodbye Main Street Bakery....

[Disney_Princess83]

So, basically this going to be like the Karamell-Küche caramel shop in Epcot sponsored by Stork/Werther's Original Caramels?

Exactly! People seem to ignore all the other sponsorship that is around WDW.

I was going to bring that up, but I've been around here long enough to know it won't make any difference with anyone.

Indeed!

 

[kevdo]

Feel free to interpret what is written in black and white anyway you like. If you refuse to see, you refuse to see it. That is it.

At Magic Kingdom Park, Main Street Bakery will close for refurbishment in January 2013 and reopen as a Starbucks location in early summer. At Epcot, Fountain View will close in March 2013 and reopen as a Starbucks location in midsummer.
Both locations will be designed to fit the theme of their surroundings. At Magic Kingdom Park, for example, cast members will wear a costume consistent with the early 20th century look and feel of Main Street, U.S.A. At Future World in Epcot, the new Starbucks location and cast member costumes will be designed to match the park’s futuristic theme.

Nobody is saying that if you saw the above text and only the above text that you would be incorrect to assume things are the worst case scenario, as you have.

The problem is that myriad people have pointed out that based on the pre-announcement communication and what they actually have done in the parks to date that the way you are reading this is most likely wrong. And you're not backing down or even acknowledging any of the arguments about the Starbucks location in DCA, etc. "Read what it says" "read what it says" - Yeah. I get it. Not well worded. The sensible people among us are taking a balanced view and not over-reading one part of a press release that is clearly targeting the non-Disney fanatic with it's message.

 

[aaarcher86]

I have read the article many times, simply because I've been quoting it to so many people who seem to think that Starbucks has come into to destroy MSB, the Disney brand itself and it (somehow) more or less going to end civilization as we know it.

The statement clearly says that Main St Bakery is closing for refurbishment and that it will reopen as a Starbucks location. Refurbishment not closing.

For Fountain View at EPCOT however, the statement clearly says that it is closing. There is nothing mentioned about a refurb to this location.

Disney had already stated that it will be themed to fit the location, that the staff (who are CM's) will be in period costume to suit the area, and that there will be a selection of both Starbucks and Disney food.

I'm surprised how many people are somehow believing this to be a "take over" It isn't. Disney and Starbucks came to an arrangement, more than likely, after many complaints about their coffee.

EXACTLY! This is how Disney answered the many complaints. Remember all those people that constantly say 'write Disney so they'll change it. Let them know you're displeased.' IT WORKED. What's a popular coffee supplier? STARBUCKS. Naturally if Disney is going to change something they're going to choose a popular option that will bring in the bucks.

MSB and Starbucks are one in the same from an outside perspective - coffee and pastries. No one has any reason to believe they won't treat this in the same fashion that went over so well at DCA. Why would they look at the positive feedback from DCA's Starbucks location and think, 'This worked out so well we're going to go in a wildly different direction.'

Watch - in February/March these same people complaining will praise the way the change was handled.

 

[WedgieSock]

Watch - in February/March these same people complaining will praise the way the change was handled.

I'll be ready

 

[KellyNY]

I have read the article many times, simply because I've been quoting it to so many people who seem to think that Starbucks has come into to destroy MSB, the Disney brand itself and it (somehow) more or less going to end civilization as we know it.

The statement clearly says that Main St Bakery is closing for refurbishment and that it will reopen as a Starbucks location. Refurbishment not closing.

For Fountain View at EPCOT however, the statement clearly says that it is closing. There is nothing mentioned about a refurb to this location.

Disney had already stated that it will be themed to fit the location, that the staff (who are CM's) will be in period costume to suit the area, and that there will be a selection of both Starbucks and Disney food.

I'm surprised how many people are somehow believing this to be a "take over" It isn't. Disney and Starbucks came to an arrangement, more than likely, after many complaints about their coffee.

Reopening into something new is not the same as introduction of new product in current place. They are clear it reopens into SB location, not that SB product are being added to MSB, infact not all selections from MSB will survive. Indication of new place theme and costume is clear indication of old theme not to be present anymore. Otherwise they would just mention no change to MSB, don't you think. How far it will be from present MSB nobody knows but it clear MSB wil not exist in its present form. And it is not end of the world, just a fact that many people want to close eyes on for a promise of better coffee.

 

[MikeinBoston]

I wonder how much Starbucks paid Disney for this latest "addition"???

 

[aaarcher86]

Reopening into something new is not the same as introduction of new product in current place. They are clear it reopens into SB location, not that SB product are being added to MSB, infact not all selections from MSB will survive. Indication of new place theme and costume is clear indication of old theme not to be present anymore. Otherwise they would just mention no change to MSB, don't you think. How far it will be from present MSB nobody knows but it clear MSB wil not exist in its present form. And it is not end of the world, just a fact that many people want to close eyes on for a promise of better coffee.

Why would they mention no change at all when there will be a change? MSB will not exist in its present form, you are correct in that. It will co-exist with Starbucks and the two will be intermingled together in whatever harmony Disney feels is the best.

What's the harm in the treats from MSB with the signature coffees of Starbucks? If you think Starbucks would agree to Disney using their products without some mention of it in an article or minor branding you're kidding yourself.

MSB treats can be gotten in other sections of the world - you have no reason to assume MSB exclusive treats will not remain.

 

[aaarcher86]

I'll be ready

You get a for the comment and a for the username.

 

[njmeisje]

My husband and I must be the only people who go into the MSB for coffee. I'm really looking forward to a good cup of SB coffee there.

 

[WedgieSock]

Reopening into something new is not the same as introduction of new product in current place. They are clear it reopens into SB location, not that SB product are being added to MSB, infact not all selections from MSB will survive. Indication of new place theme and costume is clear indication of old theme not to be present anymore. Otherwise they would just mention no change to MSB, don't you think. How far it will be from present MSB nobody knows but it clear MSB wil not exist in its present form. And it is not end of the world, just a fact that many people want to close eyes on for a promise of better coffee.

I thought this was a good read What was that Josh? MSB isn't going anywhere?!?!

 

[WedgieSock]

You get a for the comment and a for the username.

HA! I am the master of really practical usernames that totally make sense. Its a talent of mine

 

[aaarcher86]

HA! I am the master of really practical usernames that totally make sense. Its a talent of mine

I was going to use the emoticons in the opposite order, but felt weird winking at the word wedgie...

 

[KellyNY]

Why would they mention no change at all when there will be a change? MSB will not exist in its present form, you are correct in that. It will co-exist with Starbucks and the two will be intermingled together in whatever harmony Disney feels is the best.

What's the harm in the treats from MSB with the signature coffees of Starbucks? If you think Starbucks would agree to Disney using their products without some mention of it in an article or minor branding you're kidding yourself.

MSB treats can be gotten in other sections of the world - you have no reason to assume MSB exclusive treats will not remain.

There is no harm in introduction of new products, in fact I will definitely have my coffee. However, if they just "proudly serve" new products with some logos like other sponsors, maybe even some logos merchandise right in MSB, I and many on this board would have no problem with that, unless they just hate SB as corporation.
However it is not a case. What is left of MSB, iconic bakery is location and some, not all offerings. Both places do not need to co-exist in a same building, park is huge with plenty of empty spots. SB could have their own location without sharing and MSB could still exist. We have more then one TS and CS place per park, why could not we have 2 bakeries.

 

[aaarcher86]

There is no harm in introduction of new products, in fact I will definitely have my coffee. However, if they just "proudly serve" new products with some logos like other sponsors, maybe even some logos merchandise right in MSB, I and many on this board would have no problem with that, unless they just hate SB as corporation.
However it is not a case. What is left of MSB, iconic bakery is location and some, not all offerings. Both places do not need to co-exist in a same building, park is huge with plenty of empty spots. SB could have their own location without sharing and MSB could still exist. We have more then one TS and CS place per park, why could not we have 2 bakeries.

Because they felt it was unnecessary to have two bakeries. The MSB is a great location - people want their coffee in the AM and it's right there at the front of the park. Clearly, they felt putting it farther back wouldn't be the best choice.

It's obvious from the pictures at DCA that they have their own 'side' of the building. So if they have to remodel the inside a bit to fit Starbucks in there, who cares? You can still get your MSB goodies and now you can get Starbucks offerings too.

If they take away some of the things that MSB used to offer that you can get elsewhere, what's the big deal? Maybe Starbucks will have something similar and it felt repetitive.

MSB isn't going to stay EXACTLY the same and just offer SB. They will co-exist (keyword = EXIST). But the fact is MSB isn't going away, but it is changing a bit. It's not like you can just serve SB coffee and other drinks without those big machines and presses they have. I'm sure they had to make room for that.

 

[mxfourlife262]

There is no harm in introduction of new products, in fact I will definitely have my coffee. However, if they just "proudly serve" new products with some logos like other sponsors, maybe even some logos merchandise right in MSB, I and many on this board would have no problem with that, unless they just hate SB as corporation.
However it is not a case. What is left of MSB, iconic bakery is location and some, not all offerings. Both places do not need to co-exist in a same building, park is huge with plenty of empty spots. SB could have their own location without sharing and MSB could still exist. We have more then one TS and CS place per park, why could not we have 2 bakeries.

Where else on Main Street do you propose they put Starbucks? It's not going anywhere else in the park as a coffee shop will be the most successful the closer to the entrance you get.

You are just being difficult now because you've been arguing for so long.

 

[mdsoccermom]

Because they felt it was unnecessary to have two bakeries. The MSB is a great location - people want their coffee in the AM and it's right there at the front of the park. Clearly, they felt putting it farther back wouldn't be the best choice.

It's obvious from the pictures at DCA that they have their own 'side' of the building. So if they have to remodel the inside a bit to fit Starbucks in there, who cares? You can still get your MSB goodies and now you can get Starbucks offerings too.

If they take away some of the things that MSB used to offer that you can get elsewhere, what's the big deal? Maybe Starbucks will have something similar and it felt repetitive.

MSB isn't going to stay EXACTLY the same and just offer SB. They will co-exist (keyword = EXIST). But the fact is MSB isn't going away, but it is changing a bit. It's not like you can just serve SB coffee and other drinks without those big machines and presses they have. I'm sure they had to make room for that.

Exactly. Main St. will be the most profitable place for Starbucks. Who honestly believes Starbucks would have been content stuck at the back of the park? Their business is primarily coffee. People will want it in the morning. People will want it during the parade, and they will want some on the way out.

Starbucks offerings coupled with food already offered at the bakery is a win-win situation.

 

[KellyNY]

Because they felt it was unnecessary to have two bakeries. The MSB is a great location - people want their coffee in the AM and it's right there at the front of the park. Clearly, they felt putting it farther back wouldn't be the best choice.

It's obvious from the pictures at DCA that they have their own 'side' of the building. So if they have to remodel the inside a bit to fit Starbucks in there, who cares? You can still get your MSB goodies and now you can get Starbucks offerings too.

If they take away some of the things that MSB used to offer that you can get elsewhere, what's the big deal? Maybe Starbucks will have something similar and it felt repetitive.

MSB isn't going to stay EXACTLY the same and just offer SB. They will co-exist (keyword = EXIST). But the fact is MSB isn't going away, but it is changing a bit. It's not like you can just serve SB coffee and other drinks without those big machines and presses they have. I'm sure they had to make room for that.

If all they did is remodel a portion of MSB to fit coffee machines, that would be fine. However it is not what article suggest. Discussing theme and costumes of future place hardy suggests just putting coffee machines or a little change, it suggest new place, SB location, as per article. MSB will not be gone completely, some offerings will stay but by no means it is an addition of SB to MSB, as sponsorship would suggest and it is hardly co-existence as well.

 

[mdsoccermom]

There is no harm in introduction of new products, in fact I will definitely have my coffee. However, if they just "proudly serve" new products with some logos like other sponsors, maybe even some logos merchandise right in MSB, I and many on this board would have no problem with that, unless they just hate SB as corporation.
However it is not a case. What is left of MSB, iconic bakery is location and some, not all offerings. Both places do not need to co-exist in a same building, park is huge with plenty of empty spots. SB could have their own location without sharing and MSB could still exist. We have more then one TS and CS place per park, why could not we have 2 bakeries.

There obviously is a market for more than one TS and CS restaurant. There is not a market for two bakeries. Certainly Disney and Starbucks determined this would be the most profitable and viable option.

Do you not understand business?

 

[KellyNY]

Where else on Main Street do you propose they put Starbucks? It's not going anywhere else in the park as a coffee shop will be the most successful the closer to the entrance you get.

You are just being difficult now because you've been arguing for so long.

You know, trying little attacks is not the best idea. There are plenty of people who discuss this topic including you and me, so please stay on a level, without trying to cause troubles.
And to answer your question, I am not suggesting any locations at all, however there are plenty in park, people like their coffee everywhere.

 

[msjprincess]

You know, trying little attacks is not the best idea. There are plenty of people who discuss this topic including you and me, so please stay on a level, without trying to cause troubles.
And to answer your question, I am not suggesting any locations at all, however there are plenty in park, people like their coffee everywhere.

But its not just coffee. They also have baked goods, sandwiches etc... there is not a need for two full bakeries.