Good Lord, 97 month car loans introduced

I expect 10 years out of a car with no repairs, so far, that has been a pretty good assumption. Do all the fluid changes the owners manual says to do when it says to do them, a car will last a long time. After 10 years I just plan on spending what would add up to one months car payment a year in repairs.

I bought my family car new in 1987, and it is still my family car almost 26 years later.

That's my go to age for a car to "last" also. Now, we currently have a Buick Lesbre that is 13yo, but we've been putting money into repairs for at least the last three years. (The repairs are still no where near a car payment, and the engine runs like a top, so we'll keep it even though it's not "pretty" anymore.)

But, I also think 8 years is a crazy high length of time for a car loan. I certainly wouldn't consider it. We'll stick with our new-used $10,000-$15,000 cars that have 100,000 mile warranties and under 15,000 miles on them. :thumbsup2 No need for an extreme loan for these.
 
Yes 8 years is a long time and you will pay more I'm sure in the longrun, but I also see the benefits to it.

WAY MORE !!

I bought my first car at age 20 and 4 more since. Paid cash for all of them and hung on to them until they quit. Now in my late 60s I enjoy a nice retirement. Money went to retirement, not interest for car payments.
 
No one "NEEDS" to finance a car over 8 yrs to get to work. If you find yourself "NEEDING" to do this, then you CANNOT AFFORD THE CAR.
That's my public service message for the day.:coffee:
 

I can't see how the person won't end up upside down on the loan, and having to make repair payments and loan payments on it at the same time, eventually. Wouldn't buying a reliable used car be more sensible?

So take a person who needs a car and also needs this sort of loan. this sort of much lower monthly payment.

Now take that person and try to get them a loan on a USED car.

When DH's credit was "neutral" since he hadn't used it in nearly 10 years, it was MUCH easier to get a loan on a NEW car than a USED. The problem was that the new cars were not what we wanted, because they were just too expensive for us at that time.

We wanted a used Subaru. The ONE bank that would work with us said nope. They would not give us a loan on that Subaru. The only other car on the lot they would give us a loan on was a Grand Marquis. It was "younger" and I guess would keep value longer (which is weird, since Legacys seem to last a long time, but whatever), and so we got the Grand Marquis.

At 25% interest. On a USED car.

I had JUST turned in my leased car (I had leased for 12 years, 3 cars in that time, and I was finally tired of leasing) and we had one car. That was a total beater. And then it lost its brakes while DH was going down a hill, we didn't have the available cash to fix it, and it scared me. I wouldn't have ever sat in that car again, which yep is an emotional thing but my son was little and I was rightfully very emotional at that time.

DH worked over an hour's drive from home; taking the bus involved THREE buses and 2 hours of commute, each way. A car was needed. A loan was needed (many of our family members were busy having their homes foreclosed on b/c of their own errors and there was no one to ask). The only loan we could afford was for a used car, and the only loan on a used car we could get was at nearly predatory interest.


We were the kind of person who might have looked at that 8 year, simply because the monthly costs would have been lower and we might have gotten a nicer car.

Then again, the Grand Marquis has been no trouble at all, it runs great, it's quiet, it's comfy, it's basically been a dream, even though I don't *like* it still. (paid it off in 2? 3? years once I got angry enough at the loan to start throwing money at it, LOL, and it's 8 years old this year) In the end I'm glad we got the Marquis instead of the Subaru or the new cars we had been looking at, but having more options would have been nice.


It's bad debt since you will never, ever recoup what you paid for the car.

Why do we focus so much on getting "back" what we paid? On cars, on houses, etc. Why don't we put any value into our USE, our enjoyment, of something we purchased?


No one "NEEDS" to finance a car over 8 yrs to get to work. If you find yourself "NEEDING" to do this, then you CANNOT AFFORD THE CAR.
That's my public service message for the day.:coffee:

Unless you actually NEED the car. If you don't have the chunk of cash to buy a used car, if you can't get a used car loan, if you need that car for work, then you need that car. Even if you can't properly afford it.



It's lovely that there are so many people who have never been in such a position, and apparently don't know or like anyone who has been in that position, but I would recommend thanking your continued good decisions AND your large amount of luck throughout your life.
 
I can't see how the person won't end up upside down on the loan, and having to make repair payments and loan payments on it at the same time, eventually. Wouldn't buying a reliable used car be more sensible?

Reminds me of my DFIL (who has no financial common sense) buying a truck the minute he retired at 65 with a 6 year loan. Of course he couldn't afford to put gas in it to drive it anywhere by the time he got done making his loan payment and insurance payment every month....

Terri

Yes, all new car loans will have you upside down the second you drive off the lot, regardless of how many months of payments. And yes, buying a used reliable car would be much more sensible. But people have to make dumb financial moves, otherwise there would not be any used cars for me and my husband to buy.
 
Wow, the payments aside (because auto loan rates are generally pretty low), I can't imagine being locked in to carrying lender-required levels of insurance on a 7 or 8 year old car. Around here, full coverage can easily run $4000/yr (clean driving record, average credit rating... the latter makes more difference than the former barring major violations like DUI). Over 8 years, the insurance premiums alone would exceed the purchase price of an average car! :eek:

True...but 8 years...I hope the car survives 8 years.

If it doesn't, it is a sorry excuse for a car. I've been driving older cars virtually all my life and trust me, most will last far longer than 8 years barring abuse or unusually heavy use.

I can't see how the person won't end up upside down on the loan, and having to make repair payments and loan payments on it at the same time, eventually. Wouldn't buying a reliable used car be more sensible?

Well, all new car loans end up upside down; cars depreciate rapidly, though not as rapidly now as the conventional wisdom continues to preach.

If you have the cash for that used car, yes. Unfortunately, it is much harder to get used car financing so people who can't afford to pay cash for a reliable vehicle are pushed into spending more and financing longer.

Agreed!
Guess the banks have not yet figured out that giving loans to people who cannot afford them is not a good idea?

I think they figured out that they can't meet profit expectations if they only loan to people who can afford traditional loan products these days. :sad2:
 
Why do we focus so much on getting "back" what we paid? On cars, on houses, etc. Why don't we put any value into our USE, our enjoyment, of something we purchased?

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

I drive less than most people, maybe 5 or 6 thousand miles per year, but it still feels like I spend a lot of time in my car. I don't buy it worrying about what I'm getting back - I buy it looking for a safe, comfortable place to spend that time. I didn't buy a home as an investment either. I bought it as a place to raise the kids, and if we make a profit when (if) we sell that's a nice bonus. If not, it cost us a lot less to buy than to pay rent for all those years.


It's lovely that there are so many people who have never been in such a position, and apparently don't know or like anyone who has been in that position, but I would recommend thanking your continued good decisions AND your large amount of luck throughout your life.

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2 :thumbsup2
 
A good car can last 15 years or more. The car I had before the one I currently have was 15 years old and was running perfectly. The only reason I had to get rid of it was because some moron ran a stop sign and hit me in the front quarterpanel and destroyed the engine block and radiator. Had that not happened, I would probably STILL have that car!!!

While true that a good car can last 15 years or more, I have a feeling that a lot of folks who have to resort to an 8 year loan to afford the car, may not have or make enough money to afford the proper maintenance to keep that car running for those 15 years.
 
That's my go to age for a car to "last" also. Now, we currently have a Buick Lesbre that is 13yo, but we've been putting money into repairs for at least the last three years. (The repairs are still no where near a car payment, and the engine runs like a top, so we'll keep it even though it's not "pretty" anymore.)

But, I also think 8 years is a crazy high length of time for a car loan. I certainly wouldn't consider it. We'll stick with our new-used $10,000-$15,000 cars that have 100,000 mile warranties and under 15,000 miles on them. :thumbsup2 No need for an extreme loan for these.

I will admit at that age, you do pause and thing about the age of the vehicle, when expensive upkeep items come up. I had a long trip planned in December and needed tires, and you do stop an think a second before spending $920 on tired on a 25+ year old car. Next issue will be recovering the front seats. But at least the worn seat covers aren't a safety issue.
 
I have looked up a calculator and the following is based on 5.0% with the amount of the loan as $25,000.

Column 1 is the number of months. Column 2 is the monthly payment (rounded to nearest dollar). Column 3 is the total interest paid over the life of the loan.

36 $599 $1,579
48 $461 $2,108
60 $377 $2,645
72 $322 $3,191
97 $251 $4,354

And for a 97 month loan, it will be after payment #53 that half of the principal is paid.
 
It's lovely that there are so many people who have never been in such a position, and apparently don't know or like anyone who has been in that position, but I would recommend thanking your continued good decisions AND your large amount of luck throughout your life.

I wouldn't chalk it up to luck, I would call it more financial literacy. Once you have taken a class in personal finance, it's hard to make decisions that are not in your best interest. I know most people don't get that education, but it's one of the reasons I will be teaching my kids financial literacy, so they don't ever wind up making these kinds of bad financial decisions.

And FWIW, I got most of my financial literacy from MSN money when I was 19 and starting a job. Those free articles for years helped me realize the importance of saving, of spending smartly, of how to get my retirement in check, etc. And I'm really glad, because I didn't get that from my parents.
 
If people didn't try to keep up with their friends and neighbors and stop putting so many bells and whistles on their cars (and in their houses), they would need to finance them for so long.

We have 2 basic vehicles, nothing on them but A/C and a radio/CD player. Both were financed for the minimum amount of time.

In addition, we paid our house off in less than 15 years. Same logic - nothing in it we didn't need.

This is a bubble that will POP!!!!

Why don't people realize, as they buy these huge houses, that they probably will never be able to retire as long as they have a house payment.
 
Agreed.

Glad that so many have not been in position where this actually would be of benefit.

As a large family who have only had one vehicle for the past 2 years, this is something that may actually work for us.
And just because the loan is for that many months does not mean it cannot be paid off sooner.

An affordable payment for a full warranty, safe, reliable transportation is exactly the break some people may need. A way to get to that 2nd job, and then income increases and more/larger payments are made. Also knowing that with the warranty no repair costs are needed, well that frees up cash to paydown other things, or rather keep the electricity on.

As for "I'd rather walk", well that is kinda sad that you are not capable of seeing this in a different way... kinda like unable to understand unless you have truly walked in their shoes.
 
Agreed.

Glad that so many have not been in position where this actually would be of benefit.

As a large family who have only had one vehicle for the past 2 years, this is something that may actually work for us.
And just because the loan is for that many months does not mean it cannot be paid off sooner.

An affordable payment for a full warranty, safe, reliable transportation is exactly the break some people may need. A way to get to that 2nd job, and then income increases and more/larger payments are made. Also knowing that with the warranty no repair costs are needed, well that frees up cash to paydown other things, or rather keep the electricity on.

As for "I'd rather walk", well that is kinda sad that you are not capable of seeing this in a different way... kinda like unable to understand unless you have truly walked in their shoes.

Well said.

As long as, when the extra money starts to comes in, people are disciplined enough to pay extra on their car, this will work.

We did finance our house originally with a 30 year loan (because they said we didn't qualify for a 15 year loan). Well, we made those 15 year loan payments every single month, until it was almost paid off and then we just decided to pay it off a tad earlier. Just not sure how many people, these days, are that disciplined or motivated. There's always another vacation people want to take or another night they want to go out to dinner and soon, the plan is gone.
 
No way could I take out a loan for that long! I put 30K miles per year on my cars just commuting to work. Most of my cars have been driven to the close to 200K mark and that is only because my DH does a great job maintaining them himself. I have no idea how the average person (without the tools and know how to fix things big and small) would be able to keep a car for so long.

We have never had a car payment. Our mortgage started off as a 25 year, refinanced to a 15 year (for only an extra $100 a month) and paid that loan off in 10 years. It is amazing what can be accomplished when you are not sideways in debt.
 
No way could I take out a loan for that long! I put 30K miles per year on my cars just commuting to work.

And that's certainly something to consider. It obviously isn't an arrangement for someone who puts on that many miles. However, someone used to leasing, who puts on few enough miles to handle 10K/year or 12K/year terms on a lease would probably do fine with the longer loan - similar payment, similar insurance requirements, and at the end of the loan the car still has a good deal of usable life left. Compared to leasing, which is a trap a lot of working class people who need transportation but don't have cash on hand fall into, a long loan is a step up.
 
10 year home loans were the norm a generation ago? I doubt it. My parents first mortgage, taken out in 1955 was for 20 years. The cost of their home was less than 7,000.
 
mbf said:
No way could I take out a loan for that long! I put 30K miles per year on my cars just commuting to work. Most of my cars have been driven to the close to 200K mark and that is only because my DH does a great job maintaining them himself. I have no idea how the average person (without the tools and know how to fix things big and small) would be able to keep a car for so long.

We have never had a car payment. Our mortgage started off as a 25 year, refinanced to a 15 year (for only an extra $100 a month) and paid that loan off in 10 years. It is amazing what can be accomplished when you are not sideways in debt.

My car that we bought new in October 2011 already has 54,500 miles on because we drive so much. I'm lucky though, I got a 2% interest rate on it for 5 years, but it will be paid off in June or July of this year. I hate interest payments! But we have a teenager who just got her license so that car payment will just roll over into the increased insurance payment. Holy crow are kids on insurance expensive!
 
True story- my neighbor came to me one day to vent about his (image driven) wife and how he HOPES the check for a down payment she gave a car dealer would go through and not bounce. She HAD to have a new BMW because a neighbor got a new one. He was out of work and was worried about their rent.

I wonder how long he ended up staying with her... we have since moved.

I always thought her cheese had slid off her cracker.
 












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