good bye - I can't take it any longer

[WDWtraveler27]

 

[3guysandagal]

It's like a friend inviting you to his family's house for Thanksgiving dinner and you stand up and tell everyone how awful you thought mom's apple pie was!

I was posting and did not see this yet.

I like this visual better than mine.

 

[froggy5657]

To each their own.

 

[WebmasterPete]

Wow.

I have to be honest here and say that I'm more than a little disappointed in some of the responses on this thread.

I value HONEST feedback, and I feel the OP was being honest, not a troll. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with his assessment (assuming the OP is a he, my apologies if I'm wrong).

Over the last three years, I notice the show will go in ebb's and flow's in terms of tone and content. Lately, because of some of the recent policy decisions yes, we've been critical. But it's not a matter of tactic or intent - we are legitimately responding to the topic at hand with our honest feelings. I think this weeks show was fairly positive. The new "Sum of all Thrills" got a great review, as did the new "Princess Tiana" show at MK. We call it like we see it.

As for your comment about people hanging around for 'give-aways', that's a bit ridiculous. You may not find the show to your liking, but I can promise you, our listener base has never been larger, or more vocal and we've given away far fewer 'gifts' this year than we did last year.

However, with that expansion of the listener base will come more criticism and honestly folks, that how we make the show better. Anyone that thinks we've reached the pinnacle of podcasting here is delusional. There are so many ways for this show and experience to improve it's obscene. We REALLY need to embrace HONEST commentary even when we disagree with it. After all, isn't that what so many like about the podcast? We tell it like it is. I'm sure there are many people who disagree with me on my opinions but I don't openly mock them. Yes, there have been more trolls on this board as of late, but let's not lump everyone who feels we need to improve into the troll category. That's unfair and we need to be as open to the criticism of others as we want Disney to be open to ours.

I really think the OP deserves an apology here and I would ask all of you who love the show to embrace what I hope is a core principle of it - tell it like it is. We may not always like what we hear, but we'll learn far more if we value HONEST opinion. End of lecture

Pete

 

[aspen37]

Something just accrued to me. Most of the people on this board have spent a lot of money to attend the Dis Unplugged Podcast functions. The cruise was not cheap. I am also going to DAP, ABD Back stage Magic, and PC 2.0. I am not sure how much I am spending to attend these functions, but it is a lot. The only thing I have received for free are two lanyards for emails/calling into the show. On the cruise the parties, talks, and Palo brunch were included in the cost. So if anything, we (the groupies) have spent more money than any of us every thought we would prior to listing to the show.

 

[dburg30]

Wow.

I have to be honest here and say that I'm more than a little disappointed in some of the responses on this thread.

I value HONEST feedback, and I feel the OP was being honest, not a troll. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with his assessment (assuming the OP is a he, my apologies if I'm wrong).

Over the last three years, I notice the show will go in ebb's and flow's in terms of tone and content. Lately, because of some of the recent policy decisions yes, we've been critical. But it's not a matter of tactic or intent - we are legitimately responding to the topic at hand with our honest feelings. I think this weeks show was fairly positive. The new "Sum of all Thrills" got a great review, as did the new "Princess Tiana" show at MK. We call it like we see it.

As for your comment about people hanging around for 'give-aways', that's a bit ridiculous. You may not find the show to your liking, but I can promise you, our listener base has never been larger, or more vocal and we've given away far fewer 'gifts' this year than we did last year.

However, with that expansion of the listener base will come more criticism and honestly folks, that how we make the show better. Anyone that thinks we've reached the pinnacle of podcasting here is delusional. There are so many ways for this show and experience to improve it's obscene. We REALLY need to embrace HONEST commentary even when we disagree with it. After all, isn't that what so many like about the podcast? We tell it like it is. I'm sure there are many people who disagree with me on my opinions but I don't openly mock them. Yes, there have been more trolls on this board as of late, but let's not lump everyone who feels we need to improve into the troll category. That's unfair and we need to be as open to the criticism of others as we want Disney to be open to ours.

I really think the OP deserves an apology here and I would ask all of you who love the show to embrace what I hope is a core principle of it - tell it like it is. We may not always like what we hear, but we'll learn far more if we value HONEST opinion. End of lecture

Pete

Well said, I'll admit I've listened to about 30 seconds of one podcast, but the title of this thread caught my eye from the main page. I will have to admit, after reading some of the replies here, I would find it very uncomfortable to actually try to come into your 'house' here in this section, do some looking around and then say anything 'negative' about something I didnt like, knowing what kind of replies I've read. You are right, people shouldnt come in and say 'wow what ugly curtains'... or should they? If they are ugly to them and they are voicing their opinion, isnt that better then them just ignoring it and letting the ugliness remain? Sometimes people get a little too 'comfortable' with stuff and if ANYTHING negative is said, they jump all over the person.

Maybe the person used a bad choice of words (about the freebies) but maybe that's what the person really felt..

 

[*NikkiBell*]

I have been a listener of the podcast for a couple of years. I used to enjoy it a lot. But in recent weeks between Pete's rants and John, Kevin and Kathy's negativity the podcast has lost all appeal. The podcast can be funny at times but to me the negativity has just taken over. I do not want to nor do I listen to the Disney podcasts where the host have rose colored glasses on. I personally think this podcast was much better when Pete and the gang didn't get caught up with listening to all of their groupies, who I believe are just looking for freebies from the DisUnplugged. If I get blocked from this forum because of this it really doesn't matter to me. I never post. Farewell

While I 100% understand what Petes saying here, I still can't hide the fact that the OP offended me by saying I am using the podcast crew for free stuff. I find that as an attack on my character and absolutely ludicrous because it is coming from someone who does not know the real person sitting behind the screen. If apologies are due then I will be happy to deliver one after receiving one in turn for that unjust comment.

 

[WDWtraveler27]

While I 100% understand what Petes saying here, I still can't hide the fact that the OP offended me by saying I am using the podcast crew for free stuff. I find that as an attack on my character and absolutely ludicrous because it is coming from someone who does not know the real person sitting behind the screen. If apologies are due then I will be happy to deliver one after receiving one in turn for that unjust comment.

I agree with you

 

[aspen37]

The troll thing has kind of struck a never with me. I was on the ABD board after deciding to go on the DIS group ABD trip. ABD had not come out with 2010 pricing and tours yet. Someone posted some info about what was going to happen. The people on that board did not like what this person had to say and started picking on him/her. The person only had two posts.
I think they were a regular poster and created that login because they didn't want people to know who they were. I didn't say anything mean and I actually felt sorry for this person. So when ABD announced the new pricing and tours this person was right on. So what did people do, they picked on this person more. Well, I apologized for what was going on and thanked this person for trying to give us the info we asked for. So a regular poster over on the ABD boards started calling me a troll. I told her that she didn't have to start calling me names because she didn't agree with me.

 

[dburg30]

While I 100% understand what Petes saying here, I still can't hide the fact that the OP offended me by saying I am using the podcast crew for free stuff. I find that as an attack on my character and absolutely ludicrous because it is coming from someone who does not know the real person sitting behind the screen. If apologies are due then I will be happy to deliver one after receiving one in turn for that unjust comment.

So if someone says something they feel, it offends you and you feel that you were attacked? How do you know the person hasnt been listening for years and really feels this way? I know people that will go and read forums but VERY rarely actually post. Not me of course

 

[cocowum]

While I 100% understand what Petes saying here, I still can't hide the fact that the OP offended me by saying I am using the podcast crew for free stuff.

I agree.

Why not just use the podcast feedback form? Or if he wanted to post here for whatever reason, do so without the personal attacks.

I have been a listener of the podcast for a couple of years. I used to enjoy it a lot. But in recent weeks between Pete's rants and John, Kevin and Kathy's negativity the podcast has lost all appeal. The podcast can be funny at times but to me the negativity has just taken over. I do not want to nor do I listen to the Disney podcasts where the host have rose colored glasses on. I personally think this podcast was much better when Pete and the gang didn't get caught up with listening to all of their groupies, who I believe are just looking for freebies from the DisUnplugged. If I get blocked from this forum because of this it really doesn't matter to me. I never post. Farewell

I think the OP was just trying to stir the pot.

 

[*NikkiBell*]

So if someone says something they feel, it offends you and you feel that you were attacked? How do you know the person hasnt been listening for years and really feels this way? I know people that will go and read forums but VERY rarely actually post. Not me of course

There's a big difference between saying how you feel and making an assault on someone's character. In my eyes, this post crossed the line when it called fans of the show "groupies" who are looking for freebies. Both parts of that comment have very harsh undertones. The first can be misconstrued in several ways because stereotypically groupies are those who participate in certain acts to experience celebrity life and receive tangible rewards. Look it up. I can't describe it anymore without crossing the G rated nature of this forum. However, I can assure you that this is not happening.

As far as the second comment, how on Earth could I NOT be offended by it? The fact that someone had the audacity to say that I (as well as others here) are actually USING the podcast team for free things is disgusting. I am kind to them because they are good people. They have shown kindness back to me. I don't use people to get free merchandise, etc. If I want something, I will go out and work my tail off to provide it for myself, not mooch off of another person.

Believe me, as a teacher living in a society where the press is extremely eager to criticize my profession, I know how to take criticism. I know that people will disagree with me and I am fine with it. What is unacceptable, though, is making a claim without justification. Prove to me what I have done to get "free stuff" and then I won't take this as an attack. Otherwise, I find it rude and unjustified.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Well said, I'll admit I've listened to about 30 seconds of one podcast, but the title of this thread caught my eye from the main page. I will have to admit, after reading some of the replies here, I would find it very uncomfortable to actually try to come into your 'house' here in this section, do some looking around and then say anything 'negative' about something I didnt like, knowing what kind of replies I've read. You are right, people shouldnt come in and say 'wow what ugly curtains'... or should they? If they are ugly to them and they are voicing their opinion, isnt that better then them just ignoring it and letting the ugliness remain? Sometimes people get a little too 'comfortable' with stuff and if ANYTHING negative is said, they jump all over the person.

Maybe the person used a bad choice of words (about the freebies) but maybe that's what the person really felt..

The thing is, the ugliness of the curtains is subjective. One person may find them ugly while another thinks they are quite attractive. That's why there are so many curtain choices out there to begin with.

There are lots of Disney Podcast choices out there. I've checked out many of them and there truly seems to be something for everyone. I appreciate this Podcast's honest view on things. It is one of the main reasons that I listen. I don't always agree, nor have ever felt that I had to. I also don't believe they give negative reviews simply for the sake of being negative and would not want them to give glowing reviews simply to be positive.

Basically, I like the curtains here very much, so it's hard not to get defensive when someone calls them ugly. KWIM?

 

[dburg30]

IMO there is a BIG difference between having differing opinions, and being defensive. I've seen a lot of defensiveness in this, and not much, "sorry you feel that way, but I dont agree and here are the reasons why". It's been more like "CYa" or "dont let the door hit ya on the way out" , "troll", "drama queen" not exactly what I would call very civil replies. What worries me the most is that while you take offense to the OP, you probably find nothing wrong with most of the other replies here..

 

[*NikkiBell*]

While I am flattered by the fact that you are worried about me, there's no reason to be. I fully comprehend both your point and Pete's. I also understand right from wrong. When a nasty comment like the OP's is made in public, it is done so to get a reaction. Otherwise, like Alicia said above, it would have been done privately and involving those who produce the show, not the fan base.

The point of my replies were to remain focused on the OP, not the responses of others. What you may not be familiar with is the level of negativity coming from one individual in particular who has been harassing the podcasters and fans for several months. Many believe this to be him again and hence their replies.

With that being said, I would like to reiterate the fact that there is a real person behind the screen and, unless the OP knew me personally and felt it was the truth, that comment should not have been made. It incited a reaction which was the motive of doing so publicly.

However, life goes on. The sun will shine again. And with that I bid goodnight and leave you with a few of my favorite lines from Lewis Carroll's work...

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

The time has come to move on and talk of other things. This horse has been put to rest.

 

[JanetRose]

dburg30
IMO there is a BIG difference between having differing opinions, and being defensive. I've seen a lot of defensiveness in this, and not much, "sorry you feel that way, but I dont agree and here are the reasons why". It's been more like "CYa" or "dont let the door hit ya on the way out" , "troll", "drama queen" not exactly what I would call very civil replies. What worries me the most is that while you take offense to the OP, you probably find nothing wrong with most of the other replies here..

WELL PUT!

 

[aspen37]

IMO there is a BIG difference between having differing opinions, and being defensive. I've seen a lot of defensiveness in this, and not much, "sorry you feel that way, but I dont agree and here are the reasons why". It's been more like "CYa" or "dont let the door hit ya on the way out" , "troll", "drama queen" not exactly what I would call very civil replies. What worries me the most is that while you take offense to the OP, you probably find nothing wrong with most of the other replies here..

I think the OP's post was just one negative post too many for a lot of people around here. We had a person making up new logins just so they can post mean things. I'm sorry this person is getting a lot of negatives posts hurled at them, but some of us were really offended by some of the comments.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

IMO there is a BIG difference between having differing opinions, and being defensive. I've seen a lot of defensiveness in this, and not much, "sorry you feel that way, but I dont agree and here are the reasons why". It's been more like "CYa" or "dont let the door hit ya on the way out" , "troll", "drama queen" not exactly what I would call very civil replies. What worries me the most is that while you take offense to the OP, you probably find nothing wrong with most of the other replies here..

I completely agree with this post, I also find it interesting that no one has apologized to the OP as Pete asked. While I can understand that people can get their backs up when someone they care about is insulted, the majority of the OPs post was honest and their valid points aren't being taken seriously. This kind of reaction doesn't exactly give off a welcoming vibe to those of us who have been occasional listeners.

If its ok for the podcast to express negative opinions about Disney, why isn't it ok for the listeners to express negative opinions about the podcast?

 

[katscradle]

IMO there is a BIG difference between having differing opinions, and being defensive. I've seen a lot of defensiveness in this, and not much, "sorry you feel that way, but I dont agree and here are the reasons why". It's been more like "CYa" or "dont let the door hit ya on the way out" , "troll", "drama queen" not exactly what I would call very civil replies. What worries me the most is that while you take offense to the OP, you probably find nothing wrong with most of the other replies here..

The last few weeks negativity on the boards seems to be running amuck.
No, why would we want to take more of it.
I don't see the OP coming back in and making an apology for the comments that have offended so many.
Opinions are neither right or wrong, they are like a heart everyone has one.
Why would someone post who does not post, post they are not going to post anymore?

 

[Halbleib1]

Wow.

I have to be honest here and say that I'm more than a little disappointed in some of the responses on this thread.

I value HONEST feedback, and I feel the OP was being honest, not a troll. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with his assessment (assuming the OP is a he, my apologies if I'm wrong).

We may not always agree but I am glad that when you feel something is wrong even if it is not the general consensus and you might get some flak from it you weigh in.