Going Vegetarian...and Low Carb

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I just finished watching Food, Inc. with my husband. I love meat, but it's criminal what they are doing to the animals and frankly, dangerous to consumers. I remember feeling this way when I read Fast Food Nation, but did not do much. I thought about going vegetarian for Lent as a bit of an experiment.

My only fear is making sure that I am eating healthy while doing it. It seems like it would be so easy to overload on the carbs and not get enough protein. I have diabetes, so I need to stick to no more than 45g of carbs per meal, and that is on the high end. Meat is literally the only food group that has no carbs, so I foresee a challenge.

Does anybody here eat vegetarian and low carb? How do you eat healthy and make sure that you have enough protein?
 
Vegetarian and low carb seems difficult but I imagine that it's possible. Hopefully someone will come along and explain how.

Have you thought about shopping locally for meat products? There are farms and ranches that use humane methods - it's just a matter of finding them of course.
 
An alternative to going completely vegetarian is learning how to seek out sustainable, local sources of meat. Not only does buying locally raised food support small farmers, it also helps you avoid the problems - ethical and health-wise - associated with factory farms.

Local, free-range or otherwise sustainably raised meat is often more expensive than industrially farmed meat, but it's also usually more delicious and satisfying. You can check out http://www.localharvest.org/ for sources of sustainably raised meat close to you. And definitely give The Omnivore's Dilemma a read if you're interested in learning more!
 
Thank you for the suggestions. It is something I will definitely look into. My problem is I am a sucker for the fuzzy faces. There was a small clip in the documentary where they showed chickens being slaughtered on a sustainable farm, and even that was hard to watch. That is why I could never be a farmer. I would get attached. I do think that is a great option, but I do want to try vegetarianism as I think it will be a good sacrifice for Lent and also a good experiment in a different way of healthy eating.
 

it is impossible and not recommended to avoid carbs. In fact glucose is the only perfect source of fuel for your brain ! What you can do is understand the glycemic index of foods, and how carbs can combine amino acids throughout the day to ensure a source of protein.
Also you should have great protein sources in non-fat dairy and eggs.
 
I never said that I am avoiding carbs, I am eating within the guidelines provided by my CDE (Certified Diabetes Educator). I do test and "eat to my meter" so that I am aware of how different foods affect me. I am not trying to no carb, I am trying to keep my blood sugar levels under control without medicine as I have done for the last two years.
 
Industrial meat farms scare the crap out of me but my pocketbook won't allow me to make the change all at once.

It sounds like you want to eat more locally v/s eating vegetarian. I would recommend that you choose protein (meat & eggs) that are more local to you. Shop at local butcher shops, natural food markets or at farmer's markets. I am moving from a supermarket meat mentality myself because of reports of tainted meat from mass meat processors in the last year. I have transitioned to a more natural chicken and meat from local butcher shops. I have not gone 100% organic (yet) but that is my next step. Many of my fruits and veggies are now organic as well as most of my dairy and eggs.
 
Every transition from one way of eating to another is a challenge.

I have been a vegetarian for 30+ years, then about 12 years ago I became almost completely vegan, and then last week I found out I need to be gluten free as well.

My choices are getting narrower and narrower, but my love of animals makes eating them impossible and I also do not feel comfortable with the practices that produce milk and cheese etc.

A product that is very helpful for me is Vega Whole Health Optimizer. I mix it with a cup of rice milk and a bananna and some sunflower butter and whirl it in the blender. Lots of good things in there!! And some probiotics--so stay near the bathroom for 20 minutes after consuming!!:lmao:

I eat lots of veggies, lots of nuts and seeds, the occasional wild caught fish to boost my protein without making me feel too anti-animal, and voila!! High energy, peace of mind, good health, and no one wants to eat with me!!:lmao:

Seriously, I have been married for 35 years to a man who eats everything that I do not, and yet he is a very good sport about virtually never getting to eat the same food, or go to a restaurant together. And I don't try to convert him to my eating style.

Good luck on the transition, once you get in the groove, you will LOVE it!

Cathy
 
I'm hypoglycemic pre-diabetic. I also have hypothyroidism & fibroids, so I've had to go off red meats & most dairy. So I'm always looking at alternate ways to balance & keep my protein levels up.

Quinoa is wonderful. It is the only grain that is a complete protein. It's dry, so it stores well. It has a bland, yet slightly nutty flavor. So it won't be tasteless, like rice, as it does have it's own taste. However, it can be mixed with a variety of flavorful sauces or spices. It's very versatile and can be made for breakfast, lunch or dinner. It doesn't spike my blood sugar levels.

If you don't buy the kind in a box that has been pre-rinsed, make sure you rinse it really well before cooking to get rid of the bitter taste. I rinse it like I would rice, placing it in a pot, and rubbing it through my hands in the water. I do this three times, or rinsing until the water runs clear and nothing is coming off when I rub.

For breakfast, I have it with a little salt, butter, powdered milk & a little sugar. Other times of the day, I may also throw in dried or fresh fruit while cooking and some cinnamon. (I don't like to break my fast with sugary fruits in the morning.)

For lunch, I may make a cold quinoa salad with diced veggies, tossed in a vinaigrette.

For dinner, I use whatever sauce my entree is: chicken broth, or tomato sauce & cheese, or pesto, etc. The heartier & more flavorful the sauce, the better. My new favorite is with curry sauce & veggies. Just like rice or pasta, it's a hearty filler, taking on the flavor of the sauce. I also have it with just butter and grated Parmesan cheese.


For a high protein pasta, you can't beat Barilla Plus Pasta. Yellow box, not blue. It is is the ONLY pasta I eat now as it is made specially to be high protein and low in carbs. Barilla Plus is made with chick peas & other high protein, fiber & Omega 3 ingredients. Yet it tastes like regular pasta. :cheer2: It is a better choice for anyone who would still like to eat pasta, but not all the carbs. And it does NOT taste like boiled cardboard the way "whole wheat" pastas do. :p You do have to cook it a bit longer than regular pasta.

You can check the chart for the ratio of protein, fiber & Omega 3's vs. other foods. It is higher than some meats:
Barilla Plus pasta. OR: http://www.barillaus.com/PLUS_information.aspx


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I like to have it as Sesame Noodles. Peanut butter, some sesame oil, soy sauce & some cayenne or hot sauce. It can be eaten cold or hot. It does not taste like peanut butter, as the sesame oil & soy changes the taste.

Sesame Noodles
1 tablespoon peanut butter (crunchy or smooth)
2 tablespoons soy sauce
Pinch cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon vegetable oil
1 teaspoon toasted sesame oil
1/3 pound thin spaghetti, (or any shape pasta) cooked, drained**

** I reserve 2 tablespoons of the hot pasta water to thin the sauce down, otherwise it's a thick glob.

Mix peanut butter, soy, cayenne, oil and sesame oil and pasta water together. Add noodles and toss to coat.

This can be made as a cold pasta. Drain the pasta, rinse under cold water for a couple minutes. :thumbsup2


If you are not allergic to soy or have a thyroid problem, try this shelf stable brand of tofu. It does not have to be refrigerated or kept in water. Mori-Nu tofu. It's comes in different firmness. It can be found at most health food stores. The firm is great as a substitute for egg salad with mayo and mustard mixed in. The firm or extra firm can be tossed in with a veggie stir-fry.

This tofu doesn't have to be cooked although it can be. Hot tofu scramble for breakfast if there are no eggs. Health food stores also have "tofu scramble" packets of seasonings, so it tastes like a spiced omelette. Tofu taco salad, (instead of meat.) Just season it with taco seasoning while heating.

My mom eats the soft, mixed with something as a pudding.

Soy is also made into other foods, soy cheese, I think tempeh, whatever that is. Soy hot dogs, without all the artificial ingredients in real hot dogs.

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Look into whey protein powders. You can make smoothies & shakes out of them with soy milk. Trader Joes makes a good one as well as Designer (brand) Protein. Chocolate or vanilla flavor in either brand are good.

Almond milk has a very high protein content. In a similar way that olives are pressed for olive oil almonds can be pressed to make almond milk. It has a slightly nutty flavor, naturally. It tastes like the milk at the bottom of a bowl after eating Grape Nuts. So, it makes a perfect milk for cereal - if you want to give up dairy. I prefer the Pacific brand, vanilla flavor.


Beans are a source of protein. But they usually need to be eaten with a whole grain, some time during the day, as beans are not a complete protein by themselves.

I like the white cannellini beans. I think they are also called butter beans. Also red kidney beans. There are black beans, too. I toss any of them in a fresh salad. They can also be mashed into dips, or added to soups.

Chick peas, also called garbanzo beans, are also great in a salad, or made into hummus and scooped up with a whole wheat pita or a whole grain bread. (Complete protein combo right there. )

When I don't feel like mashing the chick peas in a food processor for hummus, I just add all the hummus spices & ingredients in to a bowl, add the can of chick peas WITH the juice and turn it into a chick pea side salad. Top with parsley for some green color.


If you don't want to give up dairy, there is of course eggs & cheese, Greek style yogurts, which are supposed to have a higher protein content.

Of course nuts are a source of protein.
 
it is impossible and not recommended to avoid carbs. In fact glucose is the only perfect source of fuel for your brain ! What you can do is understand the glycemic index of foods, and how carbs can combine amino acids throughout the day to ensure a source of protein.
Also you should have great protein sources in non-fat dairy and eggs.

OUr cardiologist recommended stay away from carbs. So do most cardiologist I know. I think this stay away from carbs being a bad thing is old school.
 
Oprah just did a show with going vegetarian. I only caught the end but I am considering it for health reasons.

Good thread. I need to go this route.

Here is a "vegan starter kit" and there is more on the Oprah site with regards to going vegan. Pretty interesting and VERY helpful. There is a grocery list, a 3 week menu plan, and a substitution list.

http://www.oprah.com/packages/vegan-starter-kit.html
 
it is impossible and not recommended to avoid carbs. In fact glucose is the only perfect source of fuel for your brain ! What you can do is understand the glycemic index of foods, and how carbs can combine amino acids throughout the day to ensure a source of protein.
Also you should have great protein sources in non-fat dairy and eggs.

And don't forget fish! I am not vegetarian but my DD17 is so we eat a lot of vegetarian meals. You have to keep an eye on your hematocrit(blood cell count) to make sure you don't become anemic. DD did become anemic at one point and she has opted to eat some fish and shellfish. She says she can eat anything that doesn't have a nose. :goodvibes

I also have type 2 diabetes, so I know where you're coming from. I try to keep my BGs below 120 and it's much harder to do that if I'm eating high carb items, like potatoes, rice, beans, and pasta. A little bit is okay, but more than 1/2 cup spikes my sugar. AND it still doesn't provide enough protein.

Perhaps you can find a grower near your home where you can get your meat. My sister(who happens to be type 1 diabetic) raises chickens, ducks, and sheep. She doesn't eat the poultry, but she eats the eggs. Every year she raises a few lambs which she will be putting in the freezer(and she never names them!) DSis says she doesn't mind eating her lambs because she knows they were raised kindly and are put down as easily as possible. She goes so far as to take her mother sheep into another pasture until the deed is done, so they don't have to look at it. So maybe you can find someone in your area who raises their animals in a similar way, if you decide you want to keep some meat in your diet.
 
I'm vegan, primarily for animal rights purposes, but I also strongly believe that it's the healthiest diet, at least for me. Personally, I eat a very low fat, low protein, high carb diet (probably about 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fat.) I get all my protein from vegetables, fruits, grains, and beans. I eat no soy, no nuts, and no oils, and I have no problems with protein deficiency or sugar or anything like that.

I'm not trying to offend anyone or push anything here, but if you want more information, I recommend The China Study by T. Colin Campbell and any research by Dr. Esselstyn and Dr. McDougall (he has a great website with a lot of info, plenty about managing diabetes.)
 
While I appreciate the advice, there is simply no way that I could eat that high carb. My blood sugar would be through the roof. Right now, I am able to control without medication, and I would like to keep it that way as long as possible. If I ate 80% carbs, I would be on medicine within a month.
 
While I appreciate the advice, there is simply no way that I could eat that high carb. My blood sugar would be through the roof. Right now, I am able to control without medication, and I would like to keep it that way as long as possible. If I ate 80% carbs, I would be on medicine within a month.


Eat veggies but then add soy (tofu), eggs, nuts. Do some research on non-meat sources of protein. It's probably an easy google.

Being diabetic is going to make it a challenge and, there are some people, who for whatever health reason, cannot make it work.

However, you don't necessarily sound that you are just opposed to industrial meat but that you just don't want to eat meat period. If it's truly about the industrial food complex, support your local farmer and eat from them once or twice a week.

If it's about the cute face, then I suggest you see a registered dietician who specializes in going vegan for people with health issues. You are going to need a VERY special/controlled vegan diet.
 
While I appreciate the advice, there is simply no way that I could eat that high carb. My blood sugar would be through the roof. Right now, I am able to control without medication, and I would like to keep it that way as long as possible. If I ate 80% carbs, I would be on medicine within a month.

Same for DH, Cardiologist told him that is he didn't give up the carbs he would be a diabetic in now time at all.
 
I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. About 18 months ago, I started working with a nutritionist who helped me create an easy, vegan, low-carb diet. I have since lost nearly 100 pounds, and my doctor says I no longer have diabetes. Here is the diet - it is easy to stay on and I feel wonderful eating this way.

Vegan means no meat, poultry, fish, eggs, milk or dairy products. (I've been vegan for quite a while now.)

As well, I eat nothing made with flour (not even whole grain flour) - so no bread, cake, etc. I do sometimes eat "Manna bread" which is made with entire grains, not flour.
No rice.
No cereal, other than oat groats, wheat berries, etc.
No white potatoes or anything made with them (sweet potatoes are okay).
No sugar.

So what do I eat, you ask? It is quite simple.
I eat all the vegetables I want, and try to have salad or leafy green vegetables at least twice a day.
I eat fruit 2 or 3 times a day.
I have beans at least once a day, sometimes processed in a bean dip.
I eat nuts and seeds, but not too much.
I can have popcorn occasionally, again not too much.
I can have some dark (vegan) chocolate occasionally.
I eat small amounts of tofu, tempe and seitan.

You'll find that your tastes change over time and this way of eating gets easier, although there are always temptations and I do sometimes slip. The increase in energy I felt when I started eating this way amazed me.

Teresa
 
First, congratulations on your decision to become a vegetarian! It is truly a wonderful way to eat and live.

Our family is vegetarian (not vegan, though we only buy our dairy and eggs through local farmers or companies who we know have the highest standards of humanity in the collection of these foods.)

There are TONS of ways to get lots of protein without a ton of simple carbohydrates. It might be a bit trickier, but it's worth it in the end to feel GREAT about your compassionate choice.

My recommendation would be to head to your local bookstore and look through some of the vegetarian cookbooks-- many have the nutritional facts listed right next to the recipe.

I also love that Barilla pasta in the gold box!

Here is a recipe for you to start with:
Vegetarian Tortilla Stew
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Vegetarian-Tortilla-Stew/Detail.aspx?prop31=3

It's also vegan if you don't add toppings! (I use an additional can of beans instead of the faux chicken.) Then we top it with Mexican cheese, tortilla chips, and a little sour cream-- absolutely delicious!

Good luck and please feel free to PM me if you need recipes or encouragement!
 
My sister was a strict vegetarian for almost 30 years. She (as well as my family) is a major player in the natural food industry. She got very heavy - yes it is possible to get overweight while being a vegetarian.

After she lost 100 lbs. she decided to add back seafood (primarily shellfish by preference) into her diet and is so much happier and healthier.

But to each his own. I STRONGLY suggest a diabetes nutritional consultant. They can do miracles about balancing nutritional needs with personal preferences. This is not something for amateurs when it gets complicated.
 
Our Hy Vee has a dietician on staff. I am calling her to make a half hour appointment so I can get some help in tat department.

I had several friends who were vegetarian in college (none vegan). Every single one of them was morbidly obese because their diets just sucked. Lots of Easy Mac and similar items with no nutritional value. I want to make sure I don't fall into the same trap.

I'm already planning on lots of veggies. I do eat more fruit than I will admit to on the diabetes message boards I go to (many of them are rabidly little to no carb). I just have to be careful as some fruits are worse than others about spiking. I love bananas, but I have to be very careful as something about them makes me go high and drop fairly quickly.

I admit that I love the new McDonald's fruit and maple oatmeal, but I always have low blood sugar within a couple of hours. I might have to try making some myself at home using steel cut oatmeal and very small to negligible amounts of brown sugar and maple syrup.
 


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