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[MICKEY88]

If you reread my post I acknowledge the existance of reports of failure, I never stated an opinion that it could not happen.

But please feel free to post "facts" with the actual failure rates, not just YOUR opinion that it is unsafe. Yes it "can" occur, that does not exactly make it "unsafe."


Let me clear things up, I am not "defending" Mark since as you said he does not need it. More like defending my own actions since you have called them unsafe.

I called your warning VALID, but IMO(yes my opinion) the failure rate too low to change "MY SHOOTING" style. I have read about BENT pins suffered while inserting compact flash cards into their DSLR at a much higher rate, but nobody is warning anyone against doing so.

until youi brought it up, no one was talking about your habits, or actions

can mount damage occur, yes it's a fact, is there any harm in me telling someone that, I don't think so, did the person I was talking to say" oh my that concerns me}?? no, therefore I don't see the point of jumping in and saying I do it and have never had a problem....

kind of like telling kids smoking is dangerous and a 20 year smoker saying hogwash..I've done it for years with no harm...LOL

as I pointed out in my other post, I had the same attitude about warnings when I was told of the risk of damaging a flash from rapid sequential flash shots, I had never in 31 years of photography heard of such a thing,until it happened to me, I have heard of mount damage,

perhaps I should add a little more detail to that thought,, mount failure doesn't neccessarily mean your lens falls off, it can be as simple as a lens not fitting snugly to the body, it can be the mount on the lens, not justthe body mount...which in turn allows stray light into the camera, throwing off your exposure, sometimes this happens and the photographer wonders why pictures aren't turning out quite right

 

[MICKEY88]

If you reread my post I acknowledge the existance of reports of failure, I never stated an opinion that it could not happen.

But please feel free to post "facts" with the actual failure rates, not just YOUR opinion that it is unsafe. Yes it "can" occur, that does not exactly make it "unsafe."


Let me clear things up, I am not "defending" Mark since as you said he does not need it. More like defending my own actions since you have called them unsafe.

I called your warning VALID, but IMO(yes my opinion) the failure rate too low to change "MY SHOOTING" style. I have read about BENT pins suffered while inserting compact flash cards into their DSLR at a much higher rate, but nobody is warning anyone against doing so.

if someone on here states that they are going to insert their card in such a way that it could cause daamage, trust me I'll warn them of the risk, but until that happens there is no reason nor basis for such a warning, in this case there was someone mentioned doing something that could possibly cause mount failure

 

[MICKEY88]

If you reread my post I acknowledge the existance of reports of failure, I never stated an opinion that it could not happen.

But please feel free to post "facts" with the actual failure rates, not just YOUR opinion that it is unsafe. Yes it "can" occur, that does not exactly make it "unsafe."the fact that they sell devices to prevent such damage and the fact that a major lens manufaturer felt the need to put a warning in their manual, is reason enough for me to believe it,

no camera or lens manufacturer is going to make the failure rates available, that would be counter productive to sales..


Let me clear things up, I am not "defending" Mark since as you said he does not need it. More like defending my own actions since you have called them unsafe.

I called your warning VALID, but IMO(yes my opinion) the failure rate too low to change "MY SHOOTING" style. I don't recall ever asking youto change yoru shooting style.. I have read about BENT pins suffered while inserting compact flash cards into their DSLR at a much higher rate, but nobody is warning anyone against doing so.

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[Anewman]

can mount damage occur, yes it's a fact, is there any harm in me telling someone that, I don't think so, did the person I was talking to say" oh my that concerns me}?? no, therefore I don't see the point of jumping in and saying I do it and have never had a problem....

Again your warning is VALID, regardless of how RARE or common mount failure caused by this is. Yes it CAN OCCUR, as can many other failures some of which are much more common.

Point of "jumping in" is to give an indication of how COMMON or not the issue in question is, so the person considering the warning can decide how to proceed. I cant understand why it bothers you when some point out the FACT that it is not very common in this case.

For some a single report of failure may be enough, for others(myself) it takes more than isolated failures compared to countless non failures to be really concerned. Why would any additional data or opinions bother you?

 

[MICKEY88]

Again your warning is VALID, regardless of how RARE or common mount failure caused by this is. Yes it CAN OCCUR, as can many other failures some of which are much more common.

Point of "jumping in" is to give an indication of how COMMON or not the issue in question is, so the person considering the warning can decide how to proceed. I cant understand why it bothers you when some point out the FACT that it is not very common in this case.it is more common than you make it out to be, as I've stated numerous times I heard of it happening more than once when I worked for the camera store, if it was a very rare occurence their would not be multiple devices on the market designed to prevent it, nor would there have been a need for it to be published in my lens manual..

For some a single report of failure may be enough, for others(myself) it takes more than isolated failures compared to countless non failures to be really concerned. OK that I understand, so why shouldn't I caution people.and let them decide if they care or not.COLOR]Why would any additional data or opinions bother you?

what bothers me is you jump in on this with post number 36, the first thing you say..is "just to be accurate", referencing the dialogue between mark and me...well if you want to be accurate i mentioned that i never told him to check his camera manual and he quite clearly started off by saying he checked his camera manual, so how was I innacurate..then you say that you had to defend the attack on your habits, no one was ever talking about you, therefore there was nothing to defend, until you chose to jump in and stir the pot just as MArk and I were stopping the debate ,

 

[Anewman]

what bothers me is you jump in on this with post number 36, the first thing you say..is "just to be accurate", referencing the dialogue between mark and me...well if you want to be accurate i mentioned that i never told him to check his camera manual and he quite clearly started off by saying he checked his camera manual, so how was I innacurate..

The Dialog that I was referring to with the "correction" and bolded(in post 36) was.
"if you read my post carefully I suggested checking the manual for the lens,"

IMO opinion that implied that the paragraph you called pointless was NOT from the lens manual and I pointed out that it was, If you want we can review the dialog. I did not think it was that big a deal but it obviously is.

then you say that you had to defend the attack on your habits, no one was ever talking about you, therefore there was nothing to defend, until you chose to jump in and stir the pot just as MArk and I were stopping the debate ,

If somebody says something negative or a possibly overstated concern about a Minolta 7d without specifically mentioning your name would you not interject???
Or would that be pot stirring?

I did not say I "had to" defend my habits I simply clarified after you suggested that I was defending Mark.
A technique I use hours per day on almost every Sat and SUN of summer was referred to as unsafe, I gave my take on it without calling your warning invalid.


And yes I came in on Post 36, the couple posts b4 it gave no indication of the debate was winding down.

it is more common than you make it out to be, as I've stated numerous times I heard of it happening more than once when I worked for the camera store,

Cool, the more photographers post their own experiences on the matter the better informed everyone will be on actual failure rate caused by this, after all you said the camera manufacturers will never give us any data.

 

[MICKEY88]

The Dialog that I was referring to with the "correction" and bolded(in post 36) was.
"if you read my post carefully I suggested checking the manual for the lens,"

IMO opinion that implied that the paragraph you called pointless was NOT from the lens manual and I pointed out that it was, If you want we can review the dialog. I did not think it was that big a deal but it obviously is.in which case you were speaking for Mark, or defending MArk no matter how you slice it.





If somebody says something negative or a possibly overstated concern about a Minolta 7d without specifically mentioning your name would you not interject??? nothing was overstaated, I said you run the risk of lens mount damage, I did not say it always happens, or that it would happen I simply said there was a risk..
Or would that be pot stirring?

I did not say I "had to" defend my habits I simply clarified after you suggested that I was defending Mark.then whos words are these.." More like defending my own actions since you have called them unsafe."


A technique I use hours per day on almost every Sat and SUN of summer was referred to as unsafe, I gave my take on it without calling your warning invalid.


And yes I came in on Post 36, the couple posts b4 it gave no indication of the debate was winding down.




Cool, the more photographers post their own experiences on the matter the better informed everyone will be on actual failure rate caused by this, after all you said the camera manufacturers will never give us any data.

when was the last time you ever read any data from a manufacturer regarding the repair rate on any camera model I never have, however what I have done is spoken to the top repair tech for Ritz camera, discussed types of damage/repairs that were most interesting

 

[Anewman]

nothing was overstaated, I said you run the risk of lens mount damage, I did not say it always happens, or that it would happen I simply said there was a risk..

IMO having it compared to driving at 100mph and Cancer caused by smoking is somewhat of an overstatement.

when was the last time you ever read any data from a manufacturer regarding the repair rate on any camera model I never have, however what I have done is spoken to the top repair tech for Ritz camera, discussed types of damage/repairs that were most interesting

Again...
I think we are in agreement here, the manufacturers wont give the failure rate, so any input from photographers(and repair shops) will help determine the actual risk level.

then whos words are these.." More like defending my own actions since you have called them unsafe."

I dont see the words "had to" in that sentence, do you?
Please note the words "more like", as used when one is clarifying.