Global Warming - A Giant Lie.

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I really hope that you are joking with that comment but sadly I dont think you are.

I'm not sure what sort of sick mind you have but I am referring to the facts about historical temperatures. When Al Gore and his fellow travellers produced their infamous "hockey stick" graph they claimed that temperatures in the 1990s were the highest in the twentieth century. It was then established that they had misread the data (accidentally or deliberately) and that the coldest years were actually in the 1930s.


From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560674/Christopher-Bookers-notebook.html

Recent days have brought to light four more highly "inconvenient truths" for our global warming alarmists. The first caused acute embarrassment to Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), exposing a serious flaw in its record of US surface temperatures since 1880. The error was so glaring that, on August 7, GISS had to post revised figures which show, instead of temperatures reaching their highest level in the past decade, that the hottest year of the 20th century was not 1998 but 1934. Of the 10 warmest years since 1880, it turns out that four were in the 1930s and only three in the past decade
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Is it fair to say that jumping to the wrong conclusions is a requirement for warmists?

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I think the cooling of the last few years is the ice age the scientists told me was coming back in the 70's. I think that has to come first, then the world can melt away.

When the "Global Warmers" changed the name to "Climate Change" because we're not actually warming, they made me question their motives.

I think that we, as members of planet earth, should be concerned with reducing waste in general because it makes us good citizens of planet earth, but I'm sick of being told my SUV is evil incarnate. I'll keep using drive thru's and watching my big screen TV too, thanks.
 
I'm not sure what sort of sick mind you have but I am referring to the facts about historical temperatures. When Al Gore and his fellow travellers produced their infamous "hockey stick" graph they claimed that temperatures in the 1990s were the highest in the twentieth century. It was then established that they had misread the data (accidentally or deliberately) and that the coldest years were actually in the 1930s.

oh my good god.

TRENDS ARE WORKED OUT OVER MANY YEARS

THE ODD DATA THAT BUCKS THE TREND DOES NOT DISPROVE SOMETHING.

Your argument is so unbelievably simple and shows such lack of understanding I cant actually believe I responded to it. You might as well have wrote "the year 1300 was cold and there were lots of pirates then therefore pirates cause coldness". That is literally how silly your point it.
 
When the "Global Warmers" changed the name to "Climate Change" because we're not actually warming, they made me question their motives.
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they didnt. It was always climate change. Only sloppy reporting and p1$$ poor pseudo science combined with the lack of intelligence from the general population that resulted in an obession with warming.

Climate change theory has always predicted that an overall rise in global mean surface temperature will manifest itself differently in different areas.
 

Being a reasonable environmentalist, I read the article the OP posted, then did some web research to find out more info. First off, I don't put a lot of stock in what has been released so far from the hackers. I've only found individual sentences, and one-liners out of context can certainly sound more scandalous than they really are. Secondly, I believe in the peer-review process. If these scientists had been putting out bad data for over 10 years, their research wouldn't have been published in reputable scientific journals. Third, if the hacked info is true, there is still other evidence supporting human-accelerated warming and climate change.

I found this excerpt from a Bob Ward piece in The Guardian to sum up my sentiments:
These skeptics have not overturned the well-established basic physics of the greenhouse effect, namely that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and increasing its concentration in the atmosphere causes the earth to warm. They also have not managed to make melting glaciers and rising sea levels, or any other evidence of warming, disappear into thin air. But they have managed to confuse some of the public about the causes of climate change.
 
oh my good god.

TRENDS ARE WORKED OUT OVER MANY YEARS

THE ODD DATA THAT BUCKS THE TREND DOES NOT DISPROVE SOMETHING.

Your argument is so unbelievably simple and shows such lack of understanding I cant actually believe I responded to it. You might as well have wrote "the year 1300 was cold and there were lots of pirates then therefore pirates cause coldness". That is literally how silly your point it.

Comprehension not one of your strong points, eh?
You started out by saying the CO2 release over the last hundred years was driving temperatures higher.
If that was true then the highest temperatures in the 20th century would have occurred towards the end.
NASA & GLISS, egged on by Gore etc, claimed that was, indeed, the case.
Subsequent investigation proved that their statistics were not valid and that four of the hottest years in the 20th century actually occurred in the 1930s.

ford family
 
I think global warming is caused by CathynRose 'cause she is smoking hot!
 
oh my good god.

TRENDS ARE WORKED OUT OVER MANY YEARS

THE ODD DATA THAT BUCKS THE TREND DOES NOT DISPROVE SOMETHING.

Your argument is so unbelievably simple and shows such lack of understanding I cant actually believe I responded to it. You might as well have wrote "the year 1300 was cold and there were lots of pirates then therefore pirates cause coldness". That is literally how silly your point it.
It's just spin (happens on both sides to be fair) and why I no longer get involved in these discussions. I do enjoy reading the arguments though. Good luck. :thumbsup2
 

As Bob Dylan said, "You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows". Man made global warming is a HUGE hoax. Does anyone know what the "ideal" temperature of the earth is? We have had "snowball earth at least twice. Is it more conducive to life to be buried under 2 miles of ice? The "guru of global warming" told us last week that the earth's core is "extremely hot, millions and millions of degrees", when in fact, its probably about 4,000 C. So its not only a HOAX, its a huge lie.
 
I would like to respectfully disagree. The scientific evidence is in (Of course, there will always be "scientists of the Pat Robertson University mold" that disagree). Overall though, the vast majority of the reputable scientific community is in agreement on climate change.

I have included a scientific paper below that explains the relationship between CO2 and global temperatures. It does include information that is in line with what you were saying about CO2 lagging temperature change, but it also explains the effects that increased CO2 has on surface temperatures. Notice that the article is cited with references from "Nature" and "Science" publications. These publications are utilized by universities the world over. These are reputable sources of information. Unfortunately, your facts are misleading and wrong. Please see article below:



Past changes in CO2 and temperature can illuminate the potential future effect of continuing CO2 rise on global mean temperatures. Data from Antarctic ice cores have provided records of surface air temperature and inferred global CO2 concentrations back to about 740,000 years ago. Surface air temperatures based on the H and O isotopic composition of ice have varied by about 8-12°C on orbital timescales (10,0000 to 100,000 years); the longest current records indicate eight glacial-interglacial cycles back to about 740 ka (kiloyears B.P.). Associated with these cycles are ~80-120 ppmv changes in CO2 concentrations based on measurements of trapped air bubbles. The most rapid changes occurred in less than 10,000 years at glacial terminations, termed Terminations 1-8 at ca. 15, 130, 240, 325, 420, 515, 625, and 730 ka, respectively. These sharp Terminations provide an important test of potential relationships between Antarctic air temperature and global CO2 concentrations. However, determination of lead-lag relationships is complicated by the fact that air diffuses in compacting snow long after the snow is deposited, leading to significant age differences between air and ice at a given level in an ice core. The so-called “gas age - ice age difference” ranges from about 500 to 6000 years, depending on snow accumulation and compaction rates, with uncertainty on the order of 1000 years. Specifically, this complicates determining the timing of air temperature increase and CO2 rise because the former is derived from measurements on ice and the latter from trapped air. After constraining the “gas age - ice age difference” several studies have determined that initial Antarctic air temperature increase preceded CO2 rise on glacial terminations, typically by about 600 to 3000 years. One study used the δ40Αr isotopic temperature proxy, measured on the same air samples as CO2, and found a lead of 800+200 years at Termination 3. These observations suggest that CO2 rise did not trigger temperature increase. However, these same studies show that approximately 80% of deglacial warming was synchronous with CO2 rise. Furthermore, sensitivity studies indicate that the magnitude of deglacial warming in response to orbital insolation changes requires substantial feedback from greenhouse gases. Scaling these results to make predictions about the next century is difficult, but past climate change is consistent with CO2 exerting a strong positive feedback on surface temperature.

References
Caillon, N., J.P. Severinghaus, J. Jouzel, J-M Barnola, J. Kang, and V.Y. Lipenkov, 2003, Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature Changes Across Termination III: Science, v. 299/5613, p. 1728-1731.
Lüthi, D., M. Le Floch, B. Bereiter, T. Blunier, J-M Barnola, U. Siegenthaler, D. Raynaud, J. Jouzel, H. Fischer, K. Kawamura, and T.F. Stocker, 2008, High-resolution carbon dioxide concentration record 650,000–800,000 years before present: Nature, v. 453, p. 379-382.
Monnin, E., A. Indermühle, A. Dällenbach, J. Flückiger, B. Stauffer, T.F. Stocker, D. Raynaud, and J-M Barnola, 2001, Atmospheric CO2 concentrations over the last glacial termination: Science, v. 291/5501, p. 112-114.
Petit, J.R., J. Jouzel, D. Raynaud, N.I. Barkov, J-M. Barnola, I. Basile, M. Bender, J. Chappellaz, M. Davis, G. Delaygue, M. Delmotte, V.M. Kotlyakov, M. Legrand, V.Y. Lipenkov, C. Lorius, C., L. Pépin, C. Ritz, E. Saltzman, and M. Stievenard, 1999, Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420 000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica: Nature, v. 399, p. 429-436.
Ruddiman, W., 2001, Earth's Climate: Past and Future: W.H Freeman and Co., New York, 465 p.
Siegenthaler, U., T.F. Stocker, E. Monnin, D. Lüthi, J. Schwander, B. Stauffer, D. Raynaud, J-M. Barnola, H. Fischer, V. Masson-Delmotte, and J. Jouzel, 2005, Stable carbon cycle-climate relationship during the late Pleistocene: Science, v. 310, p. 1313-1317.


As you can see from the article above, when glaciers melt, CO2 rises. When CO2 levels rise, there is a positive feedback in surface temperatures. Therefore, we should be trying to reduce CO2 to combat rising temperatures. CO2 may not be the sole trigger, but it and other greenhouse gases are working together to create climate change. There are many greenhouse gases that contribute to our current climate change problem. CO2 is not in itself a trigger for global warming. It does however lead to conclusions about what our future climate conditions will be and serve as a warning. So, since temperature rises synchronously with levels of CO2, it stands to reason that reducing CO2 will help reduce global temperatures (I'm hoping at the very least, you do understand the major catastrophic problems that an average rise in the Earth's temperature would cause).

Your statement on the temperature peak of 1998 is also misguided. A one year spike does not prove or disprove climate change. What is to be looked at is the trend of temperatures over a period of time, not one year. If you look at the decade by decade average since the middle part of last century, you will see that global averages have increased each decade. This is synchronous with the industrial revolution of post WWII countries. Of course there might be one year where the temperature spikes or dips. That proves nothing.

I think your last statement sums up the problem with your understanding of this important issue. You view scientific evidence as "boring rhetoric". I am guessing that you will view the above scientific article as "boring rhetoric" also.

So, in closing, don't believe me. You don't know me. You shouldn't believe me. Instead, take the time to track down the references from the given information above. In short, educate yourself.

If you think I read all that, you're out of your mind. Had YOU taken the time to respond to me in your own words, I'd have read the entire post, but you going out and finding a site that backed up your opinion, then coming back and showing off your copy and pasting skills doesn't do much for me, sorry.

I could find 100 papers published is so called, peer reviewed scientific journals to back up the theory of GW if I wanted to too. So, my skills are on par with your skills. I could also find 100 to the contrary.

Again though, love the way you started off with the put down with the bit about Pat Robertson U. Is that really your idea of respectful?

I highly suggest you dig a bit deeper however. Most scientists are not on the side of GW and no matter how much espousing you do, it's just not going to make it so.
 
Evidence is NOT a term used in Science.
Just like facts is NOT a term used in religion? :rotfl2:
So did you read the link.....or are you too scared that you might learn something?

Here is some more evidence data, facts for you non-believer's
Home of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
http://www.ipcc.ch/


**puts on flame retardant suit**:rolleyes1
 
that was a complete wate of your time in typing that. All you have come up with is that climates do change on their own. I know that. Everyone knows that. Its a complete straw man argument to claim that GW supporters dont believe it.

What you cant get away from is the fact that CO2 is a green house gas, it does contribute to warming therefore if we are responsible for putting more CO2 into the atmosphere by definition we must be contribution to at least SOME of the temperature rise or the rate of the rise. To ignore this means that you are ignoring cast iron catagoric proven facts.

No one is saying that we are responsible for ALL temeprature rises. Just some of it and this fact is irrefutible.

Not that I'm willing to concede any such thing, but let's imagine this is irrefutable fact for a second. What do you purpose we do about it? Are you ready to pony over your family's $30,000 (for starters) that the government wants right now so they can start combating this catastrophe?

Since the oceans and volcanoes make up the vast majority of the CO2 that's released into the atmosphere, how do YOU propose that we address getting them under control?

Why does no one acknowledge that the temperatures peaked more than a DECADE AGO in, 1998?

Are you aware that NASA scientists (inadvertently but true none the less), took temperatures directly underneath air conditioning systems? Research the head of NASA and see what his former co-workers have to say about him AFTER they retired. He wasn't for sale, was he?

If a scientist spoke out against GW, there was hell to pay. Many of them have now banned together and are standing up to set the record straight.

Some of the models that was predicting gloom and doom have already proven to be erroneous, but we're suppose to believe these models have the climate down pat for the next 100 years? We don't even know all the variables that make up climate, so how are we EVER going to program a computer to do something we're not even sure of ourselves? It's just not possible.
 
Anybody who can read this evidence and still deny that climate change is happening and caused by humans is being unreasonable imho.

Read the facts, nothing political on this site. David Suzuki is one of Canada's most respected scientists.
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Science/

my .02¢

Yeah, there's nothing political about David Suzuki :lmao::rotfl2:.

David Suzuki is a television personality with a scientific background. While he is very popular, he's not exactly known for any scientific breakthroughs (well, at least since his PhD research into fruit flies back in the early 60s). He's also a biologist, not a geologist or climatologist. He's most well-known as an environmental activist...which isn't exactly non-political!
 
Just like facts is NOT a term used in religion? :rotfl2:
So did you read the link.....or are you too scared that you might learn something?

Here is some more evidence data, facts for you non-believer's
Home of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
http://www.ipcc.ch/


**puts on flame retardant suit**:rolleyes1

If I gave you another link to the contrary, would you read it all? Or, are you only looking for links to back up what you want to believe?
 
Yeah, there's nothing political about David Suzuki :lmao::rotfl2:.

David Suzuki is a television personality with a scientific background. While he is very popular, he's not exactly known for any scientific breakthroughs (well, at least since his PhD research into fruit flies back in the early 60s). He's also a biologist, not a geologist or climatologist. He's most well-known as an environmental activist...which isn't exactly non-political!

Well, with all due respect, he has to be better than all the politicians and environmental activists that sat on the, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that determined that global warming was a catastrophe waiting to happen.

Wow, what an esteemed bunch of morons who decided to make the scientific discovery of our lifetime. No schooling required!
 
Yet another topic that should be banned from the DIS boards, along with shopping carts.
 
You wanna read something? Here, read this.

U. S. Senate Minority Report:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....Store_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9

Or catch highlights here:
A Selection of Quotations from The U. S. Senate Minority Report:
More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

http://hatch.senate.gov/public/_files/UNClimateScientistsSpeakOut.pdf


Edit: Oh, this part is just too rich to pass posting it. From the first link:
The over 700 dissenting scientists are more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52)

BTW, this is not the tens of thousands that I referred to earlier (though they may be included in the other statistic too).
 
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