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Moonstorm

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We're becoming 'yearly' Disney vacationers and so the topic of being part of the DVC has come up. Unfortunately we haven't had a chance to speak to a DVC expert yet.

I guess I'd like to know the basics before I go calling them. Is this basically like owning a timeshare? What is the cost per month, in dollars terms, not points terms. I mean, how much money are you initially shelling out? Are you taking out a loan for this? What are you paying monthly then and for how long?
 
DVC is a timeshare. So you are purchasing real estate to use for 30+ years.

You make an initial purchase of points that you are given each year. And you have annual maintenance fees which depend upon the resort you own.
 
The people on these boards are at least as much DVC experts as any CM or guide you're likely to talk to... and more likely to give you straight answers.

As to your questions, unfortunately, the answer is "it depends." Yes, it is sort of like owning a timeshare, but you don't own a week or a particular sized unit, you own points. It costs a different number of points to stay in different sized units, in different DVC resorts, at different times of the year. There isn't really any way to talk about DVC without talking about points.

As far as how much money you are shelling out, well, it also depends. The minimum number of points you can buy from Disney is 160. That is roughly $16,000. What would this get you? Well, it depends. A week and a bit in a studio every year at just about any DVC resort, any time of the year. 6 nights (5 weeknights, 1 weekend) in a 1 bedroom in less popular times of year, or the 5 weeknights in the 1 bedroom most of the year. About 5 weeknights in a two bedroom. The problem with explaining it is that all nights have a point cost associated with them. Weeknights are cheaper than weekends. Studios are cheaper than 1 bedrooms, which are cheaper than 2 bedrooms, which are cheaper than Grand Villas. Some resorts (like BLT, the new DVC resort at the Contemporary) cost a lot more per night than others.

As to taking out a loan for it... some people do so. It is a heated topic of debate on this board. There are people who will tell you not to finance it, it is a luxury purchase. There are also plenty of people who choose to finance it.

To complicate matters even more, you can buy fewer points for less money resale, but that gives you fewer financing options. If you start with fewer points, you can bank points from one year and borrow from the next year so that you can use three years points at once.

I know it sounds confusing at first... it is complicated, but very flexible. Just keep asking questions here on the boards, and you'll get great info.
 
DVC is a timeshare. So you are purchasing real estate to use for 30+ years.

You make an initial purchase of points that you are given each year. And you have annual maintenance fees which depend upon the resort you own.

Okay, so a certain resort/villa costs a certain amount of points and that is what you purchase, the points based on the type of villa you want.

 

The people on these boards are at least as much DVC experts as any CM or guide you're likely to talk to... and more likely to give you straight answers.

As to your questions, unfortunately, the answer is "it depends." Yes, it is sort of like owning a timeshare, but you don't own a week or a particular sized unit, you own points. It costs a different number of points to stay in different sized units, in different DVC resorts, at different times of the year. There isn't really any way to talk about DVC without talking about points.

As far as how much money you are shelling out, well, it also depends. The minimum number of points you can buy from Disney is 160. That is roughly $16,000. What would this get you? Well, it depends. A week and a bit in a studio every year at just about any DVC resort, any time of the year. 6 nights (5 weeknights, 1 weekend) in a 1 bedroom in less popular times of year, or the 5 weeknights in the 1 bedroom most of the year. About 5 weeknights in a two bedroom. The problem with explaining it is that all nights have a point cost associated with them. Weeknights are cheaper than weekends. Studios are cheaper than 1 bedrooms, which are cheaper than 2 bedrooms, which are cheaper than Grand Villas. Some resorts (like BLT, the new DVC resort at the Contemporary) cost a lot more per night than others.

As to taking out a loan for it... some people do so. It is a heated topic of debate on this board. There are people who will tell you not to finance it, it is a luxury purchase. There are also plenty of people who choose to finance it.

To complicate matters even more, you can buy fewer points for less money resale, but that gives you fewer financing options. If you start with fewer points, you can bank points from one year and borrow from the next year so that you can use three years points at once.

I know it sounds confusing at first... it is complicated, but very flexible. Just keep asking questions here on the boards, and you'll get great info.

Thank you so much for taking the time to break it down for me like that.

Basically, you only have maintenance fees every month, unless you do finance, then you have a monthly payment.

 
If you look at the top of this page, you'll see the DVC Point Charts. They should give you an idea of how many points a night requires. Sunday -Thursday is per night; same with Fri-Sat, per night. The weekly rate is per week as long as the season doesn't change during that week.
 
Thank you so much for taking the time to break it down for me like that.

Basically, you only have maintenance fees every month, unless you do finance, then you have a monthly payment.


Yes, once you pay the initial buy in price, your yearly costs will be MF's. Of course, this gets you only your room...there will still be costs for tickets, dining, travel, etc.

In addition to buying in direct from Disney, there is a resale market where you can buy points at some of the older resorts for less. The process takes a little longer than buying direct through Disney, but you can save money this way.

Choosing a home resort is one of the first things you need to decide. Members can make reservations at their home resort 11 months before they travel. At 7 months, members can book at any DVC resort.

If you have a preference as to which DVC resort you want to stay at most of the time, then you might want to consider buying your points there. While there are many times of the year when getting reservations at other resorts is not an issue, there are some times when you can't.

Most will tell you to buy where you want to stay. If you really have no preference, then looking for a contract that gives you more points and less cost may be the way to go.

Good luck!
 
This is the best vacation plan you will find. We found it helpful to talk to people at the DVC resorts when were on vacation. This gave us the real insight to the program.
 
Moonstorm as far as "point" timeshares go DVC is one of the easiest to use and for the most part no "hidden" charges. I also own Wyndham pts and the complixity of their system compared to DVC is like going to College after graduating from grade school:eek:

Just from my timeshare exp I find DVC to be easy to use, flexible and for the right person a good value. You will hear about being able to trade and go all over the world etc. I always suggest if you want to buy DVC the best value is to use at DVC resorts otherwise IMO you are wasting your money.

Anyway you will find a ton of info with looking at the "sticky" notes and other threads around here. Actually at times you may feel like your head is spinning as on many issues there are going to be conflicting points of view, so remember many of the opinions are based on someone elses situation and perspective............yeah even my opinion about using your DVC pts:rolleyes1

I use to have the opinion that Timeshares were a scam etc. But we now have 3 young kids and often travel with my Mom. The traditional hotel was getting old fast and multiple rooms add up quick. If you can "play the system" and hunt out bargains they really are the way to go.
 
But we now have 3 young kids and often travel with my Mom. The traditional hotel was getting old fast and multiple rooms add up quick. If you can "play the system" and hunt out bargains they really are the way to go.

This is EXACTLY where we are. CJ and I have 3 kids, ages 2, 3 and 6 and his mom usually goes to WDW with us and because she is unable to, we pay for her. We stayed at the Polynesian last year and this year - we're totally spoiled :rolleyes1

Both times we spent about $5,000 n the trip - of course that was for an entire week and included dining and hopper tickets. I am already trying to plan next year and since my youngest will be 3 soon, we can't do the 5 in a room plus an infant thing ;)

I have been trying to price out places to stay and no matter if we book a huge suite, a villa or 2 rooms at a moderate resort, we will still spend about $5,000 - $6,000 - While I would love to go to WDW every year, that price would eventually kill us!
 
A couple of years ago I put together an explanation of Use Years, points, banking, etc. which helped me understand them and I hope it is helping others understand as well...you can get to it here.

I probably should update it - if any of the experts out there think anything needs revising, let me know.

If anything could be more clear for the rookies, let me know as well.

I probably should touch on the whole point reallocation thing as well...
 
Just keep in mind that even though you purchase the DVC you will still have to purchase park tickets and the DDP (if that is the route you usually go)

We just bought into the DVC in April and just figuring rough figures with my kids ages we are still going to be spending around $4,000 including airfare, DDP & Park Tickets (which are basic tix).
 
Moonstorm I'm looking into DVC also, for large families I think its great for the reasons you stated. My family is just four so its not as much of a necessity. Did you read that you can rent points from other owners? I don't think you would be spending $5000 unless you went at the Premier Season. The properties that allow for different views can also offer good deals if you go with the "value" view.
 
A couple of years ago I put together an explanation of Use Years, points, banking, etc. which helped me understand them and I hope it is helping others understand as well...you can get to it here.

I probably should update it - if any of the experts out there think anything needs revising, let me know.

If anything could be more clear for the rookies, let me know as well.

I probably should touch on the whole point reallocation thing as well...

Thank you, that was helpful!

 
Just keep in mind that even though you purchase the DVC you will still have to purchase park tickets and the DDP (if that is the route you usually go)

We just bought into the DVC in April and just figuring rough figures with my kids ages we are still going to be spending around $4,000 including airfare, DDP & Park Tickets (which are basic tix).

So you would normally send how much on a vacation before buying DVC? We spend about $4,000 - $5,000 a year booking a deluxe resort with DDP and tix with a TA (AAA)

I am trying to weigh pros and cons. An initial payment for DVC and then still spending $4,000 or so wouldn't be worth it for us but if we'd only spend $2,000 or so a year, it may be worth it.

 
Moonstorm I'm looking into DVC also, for large families I think its great for the reasons you stated. My family is just four so its not as much of a necessity. Did you read that you can rent points from other owners? I don't think you would be spending $5000 unless you went at the Premier Season. The properties that allow for different views can also offer good deals if you go with the "value" view.

Good idea!!! Thank you!

 
We initially started with 220 points at SSR. We added another 100 points about a year later. With those points, we were able to go twice a year for a week each time AND take one of our children and their family with us; we usually got a studio for us and a studio for them (most often in October and January). We are in the process now of adding (through resale) another 150 points (our family is growing - we are adding grandkids #7 and #8 to our group - #6 is just 5 weeks old.)
Figuring out the usage of points was not difficult. We chose SSR because of the length of contract and price. We have stayed there twice and love it. We have also stayed at OKW and BWV and love both of them. Guess we just love them all. We will be staying at BC for the first time in October. We have only had an issue once with booking at the 7 month window (out of home resort.) Before we bought into DVC, it probably cost us close to $4000 to stay at BWI for a week (with tickets and airfare - not counting park/food money.) Now we don't pay for accomodations and bought Annual Passes (with a DVC discount which allows us to purchase the Tables in Wonderland card.) As DVC members, we are also entitled to many discounts throughout ther parks (restaurants, in particular.)
If you are interested in buying, I would check out both going through Disney and resale. We paid outright for our initial buy-in and the first add on. This time we have used a Home Equity line of credit because of the ability to write the interest off (we have few deductions for tax purposes) and because the interest was less than going through Disney. We have absolutely no regrets about doing this. This also insures that we are going to vacation every year instead of just talking about it.
 
So you would normally send how much on a vacation before buying DVC? We spend about $4,000 - $5,000 a year booking a deluxe resort with DDP and tix with a TA (AAA)

I am trying to weigh pros and cons. An initial payment for DVC and then still spending $4,000 or so wouldn't be worth it for us but if we'd only spend $2,000 or so a year, it may be worth it.


It would probably pay off if you did like for like comparison....studios vs hotel at a deluxe. Problem for our family is we go and RELAX in a 2br, we are spoiled now. It is now not a matter of saving as much as for the same amount of money I get to expereince WDW in a totally different way that to our family is hard to beat. We now try to go twice a year and get AP, we actually spend more than if we didn't own DVC. However, we would probably only go once every 2 to 3 years in a moderate. I decided my kids are young, my wife and I love Disney and we CHOOSE to go 2 (yeah maybe 3) times a year. We WANT a 2 br, and sometimes a 1 br and not have to go the parks in a comando manner. WE HATE eating out with the kids so the kitchen is awesome for us and save a lot of cash. It is hard to believe and I didn't go into this thinking I would feel this way. I started off in a similar situation as you but it turned into us just loving it and knowing the benefits then wanting to do more. My wife and I do a "adults" only trip that turns out to be awesome because we are not "Vegas" people and with an AP we don't have that expense. We use ME and don't rent a car so it is pretty cheap for us.

In full disclosure I have to add that I own other timeshares and find ways to trade into DVC. This in not the easiest to do and you have to be flexible, and lately is like hitting a moving target. But it is much cheaper..........however this is a totally different discussion.

Soooooooo we started with 225 pt and now IF I pass ROFR on my resale offer will own 650 pts. Over the years I will continue to add more and more to get the larger accomidations and will add to the family portfollio of TS to retire and travel on. The economy has allowed us to build a nice portfollio of various TS options and with 5-6 people traveling wherever we go a 2-4 br condo with full kitchen is a great way to enjoy.

Can you believe we went on a 2wk vacation to Disney and was totally relaxed? This is my last trip report and is long but will give you some insight to what a different kind of vacation experience you can enjoy with DVC. Good news is there are lots of pics........http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2122410
 



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