Getting on a plane? DON'T COUGH too much . . .

UMMMMM to my limited *and your* knowledge he didn't tell the pilot how to do his JOB just that the girl was FINE! There is a difference there but if you choose to see otherwise continue to fly continental and their stellar service to Hawaii.

He gave his opinion.....the pilot gave him the finger and threw her off the plane. If *hypothetically here ok..HYPOTHETICALLY* your dh TOLD a pilot that the kid was able to fly*which apparently happened as reported on here and other places* would YOU as his spouse take your dh's word?? THAT was what I was asking!!!Don't spin it......that was what I asked you! :rolleyes:

Would I take my DH's word for it? Sure, but then, I am not flying the plane.
Did the pilot give the "finger" to the doc? No, he just exercised his own discretion. My miles are on Delta and I haven't been able to snag a first class seat on Continental but I have heard the service is better in first on Continental than Delta.
 
Why couldn't it land? It was only 1/2 way across water and that was 1/2 way through the flight. DO THE MATH. They leave NY..they fly over the continental US right???????? I mean they cross places like St., Louis, Denver, LA to GO to Hawaii or is my geography severely off? They had FIVE *count them*FIVE hours OVER land to stop if needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Instead they kicked her off before anything happened!

Yeah that was wise! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Unless I read it wrong, it said "five hours over open water" - so the situation "could" have deteriorated over land - OR - over water.. Sorry, but I still think he made the right choice..
 
Why couldn't it land? It was only 1/2 way across water and that was 1/2 way through the flight. DO THE MATH. They leave NY..they fly over the continental US right???????? I mean they cross places like St., Louis, Denver, LA to GO to Hawaii or is my geography severely off? They had FIVE *count them*FIVE hours OVER land to stop if needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Instead they kicked her off before anything happened!

Yeah that was wise! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Why couldn't the adults that were responsible for her take her to a walk in center and get the problem treated. A chronic dry cough perpetuates a chronic dry cough. The more you cough the more irritation and the more coughing. A cough supressant prior to traveling would have been a good investment.
 
Would I take my DH's word for it? Sure, but then, I am not flying the plane.
Did the pilot give the "finger" to the doc? No, he just exercised his own discretion. My miles are on Delta and I haven't been able to snag a first class seat on Continental but I have heard the service is better in first on Continental than Delta.

Well he kind of DID give the finger when he ignored the doctor and chose to boot her off the plane. Obviously we don't agree....you think he was justified I don't. Does that satisfy you? It's over I just think he was wrong you don't.

And I won't fly Delta either...but I will fly American. :)
 

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Unless I read it wrong, it said "five hours over open water" - so the situation "could" have deteriorated over land - OR - over water.. Sorry, but I still think he made the right choice..

But the first half of the flight was over land right? Leaving NYC flying to HNL most of the first half of the flight was over the Continental US...or is my geography off? I mean the flight would go from NYC over the middle part of the country *don't know which states cause I don't have their flight plan* and then would be somewhere around LAX or SFO midway through the flight right?

It was my thinking that if he booted her at NYC for a cough that the "chances" of her getting progressively worse between NYC and LAX/SFO were just as likely than her being totally fine from NYC to LAX and THEN getting so sick over water they couldn't land. HALF of the flight was across the country was it not? The OTHER half was across water was it not? If so then she had a 50/50 chance of getting sick somewhere between NYC and LAX as she did from LAX to HNL....right?

THAT was my point. Somewhere between NYC and LAX/SFO they COULD Have landed if she got so sick could they not? They do it all the time....divert planes to other destinations for one reason or another. She still probably had the illness the next day when she flew and had the same basic statistical chance of getting ill as she did the day before but since she wasn't coughing she was ok to fly.

That's all I'm saying! Statistically she had the same chance of getting severely ill over land as she did over water.....or am I wrong? :confused3

Sorry I think the pilot was wrong and did NOT make the right choice.
 
Why couldn't the adults that were responsible for her take her to a walk in center and get the problem treated. A chronic dry cough perpetuates a chronic dry cough. The more you cough the more irritation and the more coughing. A cough supressant prior to traveling would have been a good investment.

Possibly because they like "some" of us thought it was just a cough from catching a cold. Also because maybe they didn't have insurance that covered it. Maybe they are mom's who also thought....hey she had a cold now she has a cough. I have no idea why they didn't take her but if I took my kids to a walk in clinic every time they started coughing chances are I'd be there 3 weeks a month during winter. I highly doubt they thought some pilot would boot her from a plane for having a cough. I know I'd never think about it *til now that is* but really.

Would you take your child to a walk in clinic in NYC *where you don't live* for a cough after having a cold? Seriously.....don't say yes to make your point be honest. I would not do it. Give me bad parent of the year, century, millennium whatever but I would not take a kid who had a cold days before to a walk in clinic while on vacation for a COUGH!

If my kid *or any kid I was responsible for* had other symptoms other than a common cold/cough then yes but this as far as we've seen was a common cough. Nyquil has a good cough suppressant and the doctor *on board* suggested it but it wasn't given to her and instead she was booted from the plane.
 
Just because you can fly a plane (with help from computers and your first officer) does not necessarily mean you have any common sense. I knew there was I reason I don't fly that two-bit airline.
 
Oh, it gets better!! The pilot os a butthead, and idiot and a jerk PLUS he flys (sort of, the computer actually does it) for a two bit airline!! Man, that's a lot of hyperbole for a guy who is over cautious.

I ask, again, what damage did this girl suffer, really?


(plus, I still think he eats babies)
 
Since everyone's so interested, here's a link to the rest of the story. Word around here is that her parents were so upset because after she was kicked off the flight and a chaperone chose to get off the flight with her, they were made to fend for themselves. No help from Continental - no hotel, no meals, no toothbrush, no clean change of undies.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/03/29/news/story04.html

Rachel Collier arrived home yesterday from spring break one day late after being kicked off her first flight in Newark, N.J., Tuesday, when she woke up from a coughing fit.

The 16-year-old Kalani High School sophomore caught a cold during a school trip to Washington, D.C., and New York. She fell asleep while her plane was getting ready to take off and woke up coughing and gasping for breath.

"Everyone was looking at me," Collier said yesterday. "I couldn't talk because I lost my voice coughing so much. I was panicking."

The flight attendants gave her water. A passenger nearby was a doctor and said she would be OK if she took some medicine. Eventually the coughing subsided, she said.

But the captain of the Continental Airlines jet returned to the gate and dropped Collier and one of her teachers off.

"I felt it was really extreme for a coughing fit," said her mother, Stephanie Collier. "We've all had coughing fits."

Collier's experience -- getting detained or quarantined due to health concerns on airplanes -- has been repeated elsewhere as airline personnel become more cautious, said NBC and "Today Show" travel editor Peter Greenberg, who closely follows the industry.

On Monday, passengers on board a flight from Hong Kong were detained at Newark Liberty International Airport because several of them had flulike symptoms.

"In situations like (Collier's), I feel like it's the benefit for all concerned to be cautious," Greenberg said.

He said it is better that the captain had her checked before the plane took off rather than diverting the flight midair.

A spokeswoman for Continental Airlines declined to comment, but a company news release said Collier was coughing "uncontrollably" and that "the captain felt he was acting in the best interest of the passenger and other passengers on the flight."

The release also noted that the flight is more than 10 hours long, a large portion of which is over the ocean.

At first Collier and her teacher, Maile Kawamura, had to fend for themselves. They hopped on a bus to Manhattan and wandered around for two hours, looking for a hotel room, and bought clothes and toiletries since they only had their carry-ons.

Continental Airlines agreed to reimburse their expenses, Stephanie Collier said.

Despite Tuesday's incident, she still plans on taking another flight next week to Egypt with her best friend to attend a wedding.

"I am a little scared since I'm traveling Continental again and I'm not traveling with any adults," she said. "I'm hoping I'll get better by then."
 
I understand what you AND *there I go again boardwalk ;) * Anne are saying! She thought *as did I* that you were saying that asthmatic kids shouldn't be flying and you thought that it was a good example of what COULD happen.

Don't be totally offended! Both of you misunderstood each other....so did I and others *right boardwalk and mh mama?*! It's all good right?

No harm...........no foul!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes1

Of course we still love you! Even if you do carry snot in your pocket!:lmao:
 
Since everyone's so interested, here's a link to the rest of the story. Word around here is that her parents were so upset because after she was kicked off the flight and a chaperone chose to get off the flight with her, they were made to fend for themselves. No help from Continental - no hotel, no meals, no toothbrush, no clean change of undies.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/03/29/news/story04.html

Rachel Collier arrived home yesterday from spring break one day late after being kicked off her first flight in Newark, N.J., Tuesday, when she woke up from a coughing fit.

The 16-year-old Kalani High School sophomore caught a cold during a school trip to Washington, D.C., and New York. She fell asleep while her plane was getting ready to take off and woke up coughing and gasping for breath."Everyone was looking at me," Collier said yesterday. "I couldn't talk because I lost my voice coughing so much. I was panicking."

The flight attendants gave her water. A passenger nearby was a doctor and said she would be OK if she took some medicine. Eventually the coughing subsided, she said.
But the captain of the Continental Airlines jet returned to the gate and dropped Collier and one of her teachers off.

I've bolded the important bits here....

I have a deviated septum in my nose which means that my nose is blocked most of the time - hence I talk all the time like I have a bad cold. The other difficulty is that it mean I mouth breathe - especially when I'm asleep - which can cause my throat to dry out and wake me suddenly with a severe coughing fit! This sounds very much like what happened to this girl. Her throat got dry, she woke suddenly coughing and then panicked because she couldn't get her breath (which has happened to me also). As sson as she calmed down and had a drink to moisten her throat the coughing subsided......

So all those who feel the pilot was right - has this NEVER happened to you? Have you never had food or drink go down the wrong way? How would you feel if you were thrown of a plane if it happened?:confused3

Sorry this pilot should be disciplined - he IS an idiot! :sad2:
 
So all those who feel the pilot was right - has this NEVER happened to you? Have you never had food or drink go down the wrong way? How would you feel if you were thrown of a plane if it happened?:confused3

Of course it's happened to me, never on an airplane though. I would feel awful, terrible, embarrassed, but I would get over it eventually (maybe with some therapy.) The pilot is not obligated to make his decisions based on people's feelings. He's obligated to do what he feels is best for the safety of all of his passengers. He was, perhaps, paranoid.

Sorry this pilot should be disciplined - he IS an idiot! :sad2:

He should be put in jail...because he eat babies. :cool2:

According to the article, the teen and her chaperone and being compensated for their out of pocket expenses.

So, how should the pilot be "disciplined?" Should he be fired? suspended? flogged? For being over cautious?
 
Gotta agree with the pilot on this one. The dr that "examined" her didn't know her at all, probably didn't have an accurate medical history for her etc.
A 10 hr non stop flight....what if she had a severe attack of asthma or worse, then everyone would be blaming the pilot and airline for letting her fly.

He made a decision with an abundance of caution and I think he did the right thing. Inconvenience 1 passenger for the comfort and safety of 100....works for me.

BTW, if something had happened to the girl while on the flight, we'd be hearing how some passenger was grossed out because a dead passenger was put beside him for a 10 hour flight.:sad2:

I agree!!
 
Of course it's happened to me, never on an airplane though. I would feel awful, terrible, embarrassed, but I would get over it eventually (maybe with some therapy.) The pilot is not obligated to make his decisions based on people's feelings. He's obligated to do what he feels is best for the safety of all of his passengers. He was, perhaps, paranoid.



He should be put in jail...because he eat babies. :cool2:

According to the article, the teen and her chaperone and being compensated for their out of pocket expenses.

So, how should the pilot be "disciplined?" Should he be fired? suspended? flogged? For being over cautious?


Yes he should be suspended imo! I'm sorry but there is being over cautious and there's being pig-headed in the face of all other evidence! The girl had stopped coughing, she'd been examined by a doctor and the easiest and best thing for everyone would have been for the pilot to get his backside into the cockpit and fly the damn plane! :rolleyes:
 
Yes he should be suspended imo! I'm sorry but there is being over cautious and there's being pig-headed in the face of all other evidence! The girl had stopped coughing, she'd been examined by a doctor and the easiest and best thing for everyone would have been for the pilot to get his backside into the cockpit and fly the damn plane! :rolleyes:


Yes, he made a different decision than you would have made so he's an IDIOT!!! who should be suspended. Nice.
 
I'm just hoping that everyone here siding with the pilot is okay with being thrown off a flight in the future for any ailment the pilot deem it necessary to remove you due to. Pregnant? Don't care if your doctor cleared you, the pilot's leary about pregnant ladies- you're gone. Got a runny nose? Who cares if it's allergies and you have a note- the pilot's a germaphobe, hop off the plane. Etc.

Think it's ridiculous? I'm sure the girl with the common cold AND the doctor who cleared her to fly felt the same way.
 
I'm just hoping that everyone here siding with the pilot is okay with being thrown off a flight in the future for any ailment the pilot deem it necessary to remove you due to. Pregnant? Don't care if your doctor cleared you, the pilot's leary about pregnant ladies- you're gone. Got a runny nose? Who cares if it's allergies and you have a note- the pilot's a germaphobe, hop off the plane. Etc.

Well I would sure be irritated, but I certainly understand that the pilot has to take more than my feelings into consideration. The girl herself said she was coughing so hard that she could not catch her breath and was in a panic. Frankly, I feel bad for the pilot, he had to make a hard choice, I don;t think it makes him an idiot for crying out loud.

Think it's ridiculous? I'm sure the girl with the common cold AND the doctor who cleared her to fly felt the same way.

Actually, the mother of the girl in question said that while she was upset, she understands that the airlines are under intense scrutiny and that the airlline has compensated them.

I've just seen some really over the top reactions to this story. The pilot is an idiot, and jerk and a butthead. :rolleyes: Really.
 
Yes, he made a different decision than you would have made so he's an IDIOT!!! who should be suspended. Nice.
He's an idiot because even though he does not hold a medical degree, he decides that he is smarter than the doctor. He might not be an idiot all the time, but he was being one then.

That's my opinion, anyway. That and $1.35 will get you a cup of coffee...unless you are a coffee snob, which would be another thread. :teeth:
 
He's an idiot because even though he does not hold a medical degree, he decides that he is smarter than the doctor. He might not be an idiot all the time, but he was being one then.

That's kind of over stating the case, since you were not there. ;)

That's my opinion, anyway. That and $1.35 will get you a cup of coffee...unless you are a coffee snob, which would be another thread. :teeth:

I'm not a coffee snob, I'm a coffee victim, I'm addicted to Starbucks.
:surfweb:
 
I'm just hoping that everyone here siding with the pilot is okay with being thrown off a flight in the future for any ailment the pilot deem it necessary to remove you due to. Pregnant? Don't care if your doctor cleared you, the pilot's leary about pregnant ladies- you're gone. Got a runny nose? Who cares if it's allergies and you have a note- the pilot's a germaphobe, hop off the plane. Etc.

Think it's ridiculous? I'm sure the girl with the common cold AND the doctor who cleared her to fly felt the same way.

Except if "YOUR" doctor had cleared you, he would have signed a document/statement indicating so and not walked across the aisle and said, "yeah, she's okay to fly". BTW, how does the pilot "credential" someone who says he's a physician on a flight? Do you think doc carry their licenses in their wallets?
 














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