George W. Bush or John Kerry

[Kendra17]

No, looks don't matter. That being said, I DO think George is a handsome guy.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by BananaButton
I totally agree!

Plus, Kerry is so ugly I really don't want to have to see his face on TV for 4 years!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at it this way, you "put up" with Kerry for a few years, then you get Edwards to look at.

I think that's a fair trade.

Besides when it comes to the Presidency, I'll take ugly over ignorant any day of the week.


Needless to say, Kerry without a doubt.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Look at it this way, you "put up" with Kerry for a few years, then you get Edwards to look at.

I think that's a fair trade.

Edwards is not that great to look at either in my opinion.

 

[AlexandNessa]

I wouldn't vote for John Kerry if he were running against a bucket of raw sewage, but that's just me. Plus, his wife scares me as much as Hillary.

Me and my entire family, and 90% of my co-workers will all be voting for W. (We proudly live and vote in one of the few Republican counties in NJ!!)

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by peachgirl

Besides when it comes to the Presidency, I'll take ugly over ignorant any day of the week.

I'd agree. But, it's a good thing Bush is neither.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040114-074349-3947r

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Kendra17
I'd agree. But, it's a good thing Bush is neither.

Actually, he's both.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by peachgirl

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Actually, he's both.

You may find him unattractive. . .whatever.

He's definitely not ignorant.

From the article I linked in last post:

Analysis: How smart is Bush?

By Steve Sailer
UPI National Correspondent
Published 1/14/2004 1:12 PM

LOS ANGELES, Jan. 14 (UPI) -- By disdainfully describing George W. Bush's behavior during Cabinet meetings as that of a "blind man in a roomful of deaf people," former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill has reopened the debate over just how smart the president is. Some objective numbers from Bush's past suggest he is reasonably but not exceptionally intelligent, but questions remain about his curiosity and openness to learning.

The New Yorker magazine revealed in 1999 that Bush scored 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test: 566 Verbal, 640 Math. While there is something crass about focusing upon a future president's exam scores, these numbers possess a blunt honesty lacking in much of the carefully contrived folklore about politicians' brains.

Bush's 1206 is a better score than it may seem to younger people because the Educational Testing Service "recentered" (inflated) SAT scoring in the mid-'90s. Bush's score is the equivalent of a 1280 under today's dumbed-down scoring system.

How 1206 does that compare to the general population? The contrast is a little tricky because students who are clearly not college material generally don't take the SAT.

Linda Gottfredson, co-director of the University of Delaware-Johns Hopkins Project for the Study of Intelligence and Society, told United Press International: "I recently converted Bush's SAT score to an IQ using the high school norms available for his age cohort. Educational Testing Service happened to have done a study of representative high school students within a year or so of when he took the test. I derived an IQ of 125, which is the 95th percentile." In other words, only one out of 20 people would score higher.

Another IQ expert, Charles Murray of the American Enterprise Institute, the co-author of the bestseller "The Bell Curve," came up with a similar result when asked by UPI. Noting that everybody except high school dropouts takes the PSAT when they are sophomores, Murray calculated from PSAT scores that "I think you're safe in saying that Dubya's IQ, based on his SAT score, is in excess of 120, which puts him the top 10 percent of the distribution, but I wouldn't try to be more precise than that."

By way of comparison, Bush's 2000 opponent Al Gore scored 134 and 133 the two times he took an IQ test in high school, putting him just under the top 1 percent of the public. Not surprisingly, the former vice president's' SAT scores were also strong but not stratospheric: Verbal 625, Math 730, for a total of 1,355 out of a perfect score of 1,600.

According to historian Thomas C. Reeves, author of "A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy," in prep school JFK scored a 119 on an IQ test. Reeves told UPI, "Kennedy was at no time outstanding in school; spelling was always a problem for him."

Bush's other published scores are from the Air Force officer test he took when he applied to join the Air National Guard. The Dallas Morning News reported on July 4, 1999, that Bush's "score on the pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers."

Gottfredson pointed out, though, that officer applicants are a relatively elite group, so that's much better than the 25th percentile among the whole population. Further, this subtest focused on spatial questions that don't come up regularly in the Oval Office, such as "identifying the angle of a plane in flight ... and figuring out which way a gear in a machine would turn in response to another gear's being turned."

In contrast, the Morning News recounted, "On the 'officer quality section,' designed to measure intangible traits such as leadership, Mr. Bush scored better than 95 percent of those taking the test."

Gottfredson commented, "What do you want in a president -- spatial ability or leadership?"

University of California-Davis psychology professor Dean Keith Simonton has written numerous books using quantitative techniques to assess historical figures, including his 1987 work "Why Presidents Succeed: A Political Psychology of Leadership."

Simonton told UPI, "In raw intellect, Bush is about average" for a president.

On the other hand, Simonton didn't see much evidence that Bush tries hard to use the brains he's got. "He has very little intellectual energy or curiosity, relatively few interests, and a dearth of bona fide aesthetic or cultural tastes." Simonton speculated that this could suggest a low level of "openness to experience."

Indeed, despite being the scion of an elite family with worldwide connections, Bush's hobbies appear limited to not much more than running, fishing and baseball. His biographers state, however, that he has paid relentless attention to structuring organizations and assessing the people who could fill them.

Simonton also suggested, "Bush scores extremely low on integrative complexity. ... This is the capacity to look at issues from multiple perspectives and to integrate that diverse outlook into a single coherent viewpoint. ... Bush finds it hard to view the world in other way than his own. That's why he's so hard to engage in a genuine debate. He can say 'I hear you,' but he really can't."

Copyright © 2001-2004 United Press International

 

[peachgirl]

You may find him unattractive. . .whatever.

Yes, I find him unattractive and I don't care how well he "tests". He talks and sounds like an idiot.

Appearances count.

And this is very telling..

Simonton didn't see much evidence that Bush tries hard to use the brains he's got. "He has very little intellectual energy or curiosity, relatively few interests,

"Bush scores extremely low on integrative complexity. ... This is the capacity to look at issues from multiple perspectives and to integrate that diverse outlook into a single coherent viewpoint.

And especially this...

Bush finds it hard to view the world in other way than his own. That's why he's so hard to engage in a genuine debate. He can say 'I hear you,' but he really can't."

Not a good trait in a leader at all....

 

[goin2disneyagain]

Originally posted by peachgirl

Originally posted by Kendra17
I'd agree. But, it's a good thing Bush is neither.

Actually, he's both.

An ignorant person doesn't have test scores like that. You may not like him and you may not agree with him but one think he is not is ignorant.

 

[Robinrs]

I see this thread has deteriorated into a high school "rank session".... he's dumb, YEAH, well HE'S ugly!

People.....

All the insulting and links to "intelligence" in the world is not going to change anyone's mind on this board. I wish the ones who "protests TOO much" would realize this.

 

[Tinks]

I'll be voting for the "Shrub"

I believe we'll get much less excrement from the "Shrub" than the "john"

JMO.

 

[BananaButton]

Originally posted by Mermaid02
I don't take a candidate's looks into account when I vote.

It was a J-O-K-E people. You know, ha, ha, ha.

Lighten up!!!

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Yes, I find him unattractive and I don't care how well he "tests". He talks and sounds like an idiot.

Appearances count.

And this is very telling..

And especially this...

Not a good trait in a leader at all....

Peachgirl, I read the whole thing. . .those comments weren't "telling".

I thought you, of all people who profess to see facts, would be able to distinguish the "spin" from the facts in the article. The article is made up of facts regarding Bush' intelligence, aptitude, test scores, etc. Simonton, who was quoted at the end of the article, was giving his opinion. He did NOT base his opinion on fact, Peachgirl. The author of the article included Simonton's OPINION--either to look nonbiased, maybe, or maybe because he doesn' tlike Bush--who knows? The fact is, the others who were more complimentary, used scores and facts. . .Simonton is like you. . ..all opinion and no facts to back it up.

 

[peachgirl]

I read the whole thing. . .those comments weren't "telling".

Ok, you think they weren't, I think they were.

I think we've said about all there is to say on the subject, wouldn't you?

 

[Kendra17]

Peachgirl,
If you ever wished to discuss facts, there'd be more to say. . .your way? Yes, you've probably said all there is to say.

 

[shortbun]

Test scores do not a leader make. Leadership takes integrity,
empathy, strength, honesty and charisma. Bush has none of
them IMHO. It's too bad this country had to suffer through his
presidency but it's almost over and we can move past it soon.
Bush lacks leadership traits that no amount of public speaking
training will overcome. Has anyone noticed that he's been told
to throw his jacket-the same jacket everytime-on the stage as
he approaches the podium? It's laughable. I wish HE were.

 

[peachgirl]

If you ever wished to discuss facts, there'd be more to say. . .your way? Yes, you've probably said all there is to say.

Cutting and pasting does not constitute a discussion of fact.

You know, the last couple of times I've responded to you, I've attempted to not be insulting to you. I won't continue with that effort if you insist on responding to posts I make with your little passive/agressive digs...especially when I wasn't even directing my post to you in the first place.

 

[Kellyh123]

Kerry!

 

[disney1990]

Mission Accomplished -- NOT


John Kerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bsears]

John Kerry