General Star Wars Discussion

[Skywalker3]

I'm out of it for a little while, and everybody gets delusions of grandeur......
I've missed quite a lot today it seems.
I'll just say I discovered the ignore button a couple of weeks ago, and it's fabulous.
As far as the Acolyte, I'm not as enthusiastic as I was several weeks ago, but I'm cautiously optimistic. I've stopped reading about it, or watching any more previews/trailers, so I can just go without too many preconceived notions , and hopefully it'll be good. I'm hopeful!

 

[Leigh L]

Average SW fan to me is what the fanbase was before Disney and Kathleen Kennedy badly damaged the brand. So the fans of the Star Wars that Lucas created aka “real” Star Wars?

Ok I guess I disagree here, not everyone hates the new Star Wars... and many of us are of the same generation as you are. A lot of people I know grew up with the OT and enjoy most SW, both old and new.

I don't agree the only "real" fans are from the OT. If people like the new stuff, does this mean they aren't fans? That's crazy. There is also going to be a whole generation who is going to identify with Rey, Kylo, Po, Finn, etc. My son identifies with the prequels because that was "his" SW.

While I generally agree about Ep 8, I didn't think it was a bad movie. I just felt it wasn't a good one for the Skywalker saga and I didn't particularly care for how they wrote Luke either. That doesn't mean I felt it all sucked. As a standalone SW show/movie/whatever, I would have liked a lot of the EP 8 plots. Good stuff in there.

 

[Leigh L]

Did he say that? Not really. He said, "A lot of the ideas that were in [the original] sort of got lost." That does not mean "off the rails." Notice that he didn't criticize the movies. He didn't even say that he didn't like them. He doesn't go around trashing the people who made them. All he is saying is that it wasn't what he would have done - and that that is okay because when, "You give it up, you give it up." Now, sure, that doesn't mean that he does like them - he didn't say, but don't read into it.

Also, don't pretend that all the fans would have loved it if Lucas had done the ST. They would have HATED it and you know it! These are the people who drove him into retirement with inane criticism.

Wasn't Lucas' plan for the ST going to heavily lean into midichlorians?

Can you imagine how that would have went??

 

[mdmost]

Wasn't Lucas' plan for the ST going to heavily lean into midichlorians?

Can you imagine how that would have went??

Oh and don’t look now but he also would’ve made Luke a disaffected old man living as a hermit. It would be exactly for the same reason that his apprentice destroyed everything. And for as much as Lucas likes to say only he knows the Force, he completely made the Force different in the two trilogies. In one it’s an energy force that all living things possess. In the prequels, it’s due to cells in your blood and some have it and others don’t. So he didn’t really seem to fully know what he wanted the Force to actually be either.

He also was complementary of Disney productions and said it’s like his children but they grow away from you and that’s not always easy.

 

[Skywalker3]

Just watched Rogue 1 with one of my sons. Such a good movie.
Now he's motivated to continue the saga with A New Hope
I for one am looking forward to "The Acolyte". I've really enjoyed the spin-off series on D+.

I'm in the process of working my way through "The Clone Wars" as well. So much to watch, so little time

Enjoy the Clone Wars. It's truly a saga, so worth the time and effort.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Same thing happened with TLJ too once the cry baby grifters started pumping out rage bait videos.

Well I left the theater pissed at the deconstructed Luke, but that doesn’t really match your narrative does it?

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Oh and don’t look now but he also would’ve made Luke a disaffected old man living as a hermit. It would be exactly for the same reason that his apprentice destroyed everything. And for as much as Lucas likes to say only he knows the Force, he completely made the Force different in the two trilogies. In one it’s an energy force that all living things possess. In the prequels, it’s due to cells in your blood and some have it and others don’t. So he didn’t really seem to fully know what he wanted the Force to actually be either.

He also was complementary of Disney productions and said it’s like his children but they grow away from you and that’s not always easy.

Yeah so complimentary when he said selling SW to Disney was like selling your child to white slavers.

 

[irlandaise]

Wasn't Lucas' plan for the ST going to heavily lean into midichlorians?

Can you imagine how that would have went??

Yeah, every time someone waxes wistfully about how wonderful SW would have been if George was still running it, I remember how he mangled the concept of the Force. And others have pointed out how he switched gears with Luke and Leia, and with Darth Vader. We were never dealing with Straczynski-level plot and character planning here, folks.

 

[mdmost]

Yeah so complimentary when he said selling SW to Disney was like selling your child to white slavers.

Which he said in 2015. This is 2024 when said they have some good ideas, productions, and acting. But what he said is more in line with your anger so you’ll of course run with that. So angry about everything. What a sad existence.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Which he said in 2015. This is 2024 when said they have some good ideas, productions, and acting. But what he said is more in line with your anger so you’ll of course run with that. So angry about everything. What a sad existence.

No one wants to dislike Star Wars, we simply want good Star Wars. Disney has done very little of good Star Wars and the current state of the franchise proves it.

You want the fans back in droves, simple, make good Star Wars again.

 

[Kestryl]

Oh and don’t look now but he also would’ve made Luke a disaffected old man living as a hermit. It would be exactly for the same reason that his apprentice destroyed everything. And for as much as Lucas likes to say only he knows the Force, he completely made the Force different in the two trilogies. In one it’s an energy force that all living things possess. In the prequels, it’s due to cells in your blood and some have it and others don’t. So he didn’t really seem to fully know what he wanted the Force to actually be either.

He also was complementary of Disney productions and said it’s like his children but they grow away from you and that’s not always easy.

 

[Kestryl]

Which he said in 2015. This is 2024 when said they have some good ideas, productions, and acting. But what he said is more in line with your anger so you’ll of course run with that. So angry about everything. What a sad existence.

Wait I have one for this too.



(Except imagine it’s puppet Yoda.)

 

[leiaorgana]

From NY Times article published yesterday:

Kathleen Kennedy says “I think a lot of the women who step into Star Wars struggle with [toxic fandom attacks] a bit more.”

“Because of the fan base being so male dominated, they sometimes get attacked in ways that can be quite personal… Operating within these giant franchises now, with social media and the level of expectation — it’s terrifying”

 

[mdmost]

No one wants to dislike Star Wars, we simply want good Star Wars. Disney has done very little of good Star Wars and the current state of the franchise proves it.

You want the fans back in droves, simple, make good Star Wars again.

And yet you summarily dismiss a new show before it has even aired. Pretty sure you did the same with Andor. It could be the type of Star Wars you want. Life is too short to be so bitter about everything.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Well I have read plot ideas and they certainly seem pretty questionable. I also know Disney is spending $180 Million dollars on 8 - 30 minute episodes or an average of $22.5 million per episode. I would be very surprised if this show performs as financially viable for Disney, but what’s new as nothing seems to be financially viable lately.

For comparison one of the highest demand shows of all time (Game of Thrones) spent around $10-15 million per episode.

If I am wrong and the Acolyte takes off and breaks all streaming viewership numbers and dominates the merchandizing markets…..I will admit I was wrong. I highly doubt I will have to do that though, because this mess is destined to flop.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

From NY Times article published yesterday:

Kathleen Kennedy says “I think a lot of the women who step into Star Wars struggle with [toxic fandom attacks] a bit more.”

“Because of the fan base being so male dominated, they sometimes get attacked in ways that can be quite personal… Operating within these giant franchises now, with social media and the level of expectation — it’s terrifying”

Aka damage control for a show that is destined to flop. Just exactly like KKs last big project Indy 5 flopped.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

And yet you summarily dismiss a new show before it has even aired. Pretty sure you did the same with Andor. It could be the type of Star Wars you want. Life is too short to be so bitter about everything.

Andor was decent I give you that, but it failed to make even a slight improvement in Star Wars slide down the pop culture scale of things that are no longer culturally significant.

 

[leiaorgana]

Aka damage control for a show that is destined to flop. Just exactly like KKs last big project Indy 5 flopped.

Or the truth since the women being highlighted by that comment were Moses Ingram, Daisy Ridley, Kelly Marie Tran and Amandla Sternberg. All of whom have suffered racist and/or misogynistic remarks and have been repeatedly trolled to the point that several of them had to leave social media altogether for a while and have since struggled with their mental health because of it.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Or the truth since the women being highlighted by that comment were Moses Ingram, Daisy Ridley, Kelly Marie Tran and Amandla Sternberg. All of whom have suffered racist and/or misogynistic remarks and have been repeatedly trolled to the point that several of them had to leave social media altogether for a while and have since struggled with their mental health because of it.

So how is this any different from the hate Haden Christensom got for his boardy portrayal of Anakin? Any one that does a bad job of acting or has some terrible lines that seem stupid on a high budget film endeavor will be ridiculed. Why is it more significant if you are a part of some marginalized group?

Rey was a terribly written character that had no arc and was incredibly skilled at everything with virtually no explanation for her greatness. No one hated Daisy Ridley…….but lots of people dislike the poorly written character of Rey Palpatine.

 

[BrianL]

So how is this any different from the hate Haden Christensom got for his boardy portrayal of Anakin? Any one that does a bad job of acting on a high budget film endeavor will be ridiculed. Why is it more significant if you are a part of some marginalized group?

Rey was a terribly written character that had no arc and was incredibly skilled at everything with virtually no explanation for her greatness. No one hated Daisy Ridley…….but lots of people dislike the poorly written character of Rey Palpatine.

Yeah, but Hayden was not bullied due to his race or gender, nor his looks. It is fine to criticize a performance, but don't pretend that all of the criticism directed at these ladies was legimite. And while criticism is one thing, you are advocating "ridicule" - that is never constructive. Why become part of that problem?

You can have issues with the way Rey is written, but Daisy performed it well. All of the actresses have. If the issue is with the writing, that has nothring to do with them. Of course, most of the reason people don't like the way Rey's character was written is because she is a female - when they write a male character that way - Luke, Anakin - nobody says anything.