Gator grabs 2 year old at Grand Floridian?

[beer dave]

It's pretty easy. For which animal/reptile does Disney have a team of people monitoring.....

Saved you 50 pages....

thanks.

 

[beer dave]

you don't think there is a spider team?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

That is simply not true. Beyond the logistics of being impossible to completely eliminate them permanently due to their migrations, it is illegal to remove gators under 4 feet except where they are causing legit problems.

Fundamentally...you have to ask yourself if it is ethical to kill a naturally occurring species in their native habitat because you built a tourist spot on it that feeds into sentimentality to sell product like no place ever has?

If it was a marriot across town...with a golf course and conference center...they would post gator signs and would never entertain the thought of "eradication"...

But because it's Disney...and the adults can't grow the hell up and wrap their Brains around what the place is and how it's still a part of plain old earth...it's being presented as "reasonable"

It is not reasonable or appropriate. More precautions and policies are...definitely. Not this kind of "Eco-fascist" nonsense.

 

[dlavender]

you don't think there is a spider team?

A team pulling deadly spiders from populated areas of the resort? No.

And the the original argument. If Disney wanted people to stay out of the water, why didn't they post a sign that said that? Did they not want swimming, or did they not want any water contact?

 

[HopperFan]

Well then you've heard something new since the last several briefings.

MG

No sir. I watched the first press conference live in the middle of the night and the Sheriff was quite clear. I watched him give reports several times since and he said the same exact thing, consistent in his answers. That was the first and only report given by the Sheriff's department.

I will believe the Sheriff in charge of the entire thing who is working with the parents rather than some journalists, posters, bloggers, tweeters, "eyewitnesses" .... many who are obviously making up facts.

The same folks who say they were walking on the beach and the alligator came and grabbed him, that there was a crowd and lots of witnesses (where are they), that the lifeguard was on the beach, that the gator came from the bushes not the water, that the Dad was holding him and he got grabbed from his hands ..... oh and lets not forget that it was a girl at one point.

We should only listen to the folks in charge and only repeat the official comments.

Here is just one of the Sheriff's interviews ...... where he said -

"The father was there nearby, the child was playing in the water just a foot or so into the water."


http://www.fox47news.com/news/natio...gator-dragged-child-into-lake-at-disney-world

 

[Maistre Gracey]

No sir. I watched the first press conference live in the middle of the night and the Sheriff was quite clear. I watched him give reports several times since and he said the same exact thing, consistent in his answers. That was the first and only report given by the Sheriff's department.

I will believe the Sheriff in charge of the entire thing who is working with the parents rather than some journalists, posters, bloggers, tweeters, "eyewitnesses" .... many who are obviously making up facts.

The same folks who say they were walking on the beach and the alligator came and grabbed him, that there was a crowd and lots of witnesses (where are they), that the lifeguard was on the beach, that the gator came from the bushes not the water, that the Dad was holding him and he got grabbed from his hands ..... oh and lets not forget that it was a girl at one point.

We should only listen to the folks in charge and only repeat the official comments.

Here is just one of the Sheriff's interviews ...... where he said -

"The father was there nearby, the child was playing in the water just a foot or so into the water."


http://www.fox47news.com/news/natio...gator-dragged-child-into-lake-at-disney-world

Well, you're possibly the only one that heard it that way.
It's been fairly well established he was further out.

MG

 

[MinnieSweetheart]

I have to admit, I will be quite upset if it comes out that Disney was truly blasé to a growing threat of alligators or worse have recently cut back "costs" at the expense of guest safety. Safety is a big reason that we choose Disney over some other brands of amusement/theme parks.

I'm honestly quite surprised they are going to put alligators on the signs, because then I feel like it's only a matter of time before someone gets bitten by a snake (again) and insists on a snake sign.

 

[poison ivy]

Well, you're possibly the only one that heard it that way.
It's been fairly well established he was further out.

MG

add me to the list. I clearly heard he was only a foot or so in from the beach, not in the water a foot deep.

 

[HopperFan]

Well, you're possibly the only one that heard it that way.
It's been fairly well established he was further out.

MG

I guess because I have good hearing, I heard what the Sheriff has said over and over. AND the other official said the same thing.

AND no where have I seen it established he was further out.

Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe he shouldn't have been standing in even 1/4" of water

but the facts are the facts and need no embellishing to make the story any worse than it is.

 

[PuppyJonathan]

I'm honestly quite surprised they are going to put alligators on the signs, because then I feel like it's only a matter of time before someone gets bitten by a snake (again) and insists on a snake sign.

Maybe that story will be more believable than the last "snake incident" that happened

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I guess because I have good hearing, I heard what the Sheriff has said over and over. AND the other official said the same thing.

AND no where have I seen it established he was further out.

Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe he shouldn't have been standing in even 1/4" of water

but the facts are the facts and need no embellishing to make the story any worse than it is.

Okay. Most here heard it differently.

MG

 

[rteetz]

Well, you're possibly the only one that heard it that way.
It's been fairly well established he was further out.

MG

I don't think it has. How far he was in the water hasn't been well established. I've heard everything from ankle deep to 3 inches to a foot in the water. The Sheriff said he was a foot into the water which doesn't mean the water is a foot deep at that point. It's really one of the unclear parts of the story.

 

[kellyjeanie]

Well, you're possibly the only one that heard it that way.
It's been fairly well established he was further out.

MG

I don't think anything has been established. But based on what the sheriff said, "a foot or so into the water" would mean a foot from the shoreline, not a foot deep.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

add me to the list. I clearly heard he was only a foot or so in from the beach, not in the water a foot deep.

We had a discussion about this on another, now closed thread. It was a bit ambiguous for sure, but most agreed it was about 10 feet out and 1 foot deep.
That said, there were conducting reports.
Anyway, that's the reason for the 2 year old in 1 foot of water reasoning we were having.

MG

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I don't think anything has been established. But based on what the sheriff said, "a foot or so into the water" would mean a foot from the shoreline, not a foot deep.

There were conflicting reports on this to say the least.

MG

 

[rteetz]

We had a discussion about this on another, now closed thread. It was a bit ambiguous for sure, but most agreed it was about 10 feet out and 1 foot deep.
That said, there were conducting reports.
Anyway, that's the reason for the 2 year old in 1 foot of water reasoning we were having.

MG

He was not 10 feet out in the water. The body was found 10-15 feet from the shoreline where he was attacked. Where are you getting this info that he was 10 feet out and in 1 foot deep water?

 

[HopperFan]

Okay. Most here heard it differently.

MG

Not most, only those looking to sensationalize the story.

I get it, some people like drama and creating it. But this is a sad story and doesn't need that.

If anyone took the time to actually listen to the Sheriff's multiple news conferences where the story was consistent .... they would know what he said. But it's okay, I get that it's not as headline worthy.

We had a discussion about this on another, now closed thread. It was a bit ambiguous for sure, but most agreed it was about 10 feet out and 1 foot deep.
That said, there were conducting reports.
Anyway, that's the reason for the 2 year old in 1 foot of water reasoning we were having.

MG

WOW .... and I thought Fantasyland was in the Magic Kingdom.

 

[kellyjeanie]

We had a discussion about this on another, now closed thread. It was a bit ambiguous for sure, but most agreed it was about 10 feet out and 1 foot deep.
That said, there were conducting reports.
Anyway, that's the reason for the 2 year old in 1 foot of water reasoning we were having.

MG

I thought the only guy who said it was 10 feet out was a lifeguard who was called over after it already started, so even that's second-hand. Did anyone say that other than the lifeguard quoted in the Daily Mail?

 

[MinnieSweetheart]

We had a discussion about this on another, now closed thread. It was a bit ambiguous for sure, but most agreed it was about 10 feet out and 1 foot deep.
That said, there were conducting reports.
Anyway, that's the reason for the 2 year old in 1 foot of water reasoning we were having.

MG

I understood that he was 10 feet away from his father and 1 foot into the water. So his dad was approximately 9 feet from the shoreline....

 

[Maistre Gracey]

He was not 10 feet out in the water. The body was found 10-15 feet from the shoreline where he was attacked. Where are you getting this info that he was 10 feet out and in 1 foot deep water?

No... It was found 10-15 YARDS from the shoreline.

MG