Garmin Forerunner 620 Initial Impression…

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Thanks to a tip I found a Garmin 620 -HR at Fit2Run in DtD on Friday. I ended up saving some money from the backordered unit whose delivery date I was pushed back 3 additional weeks. This unit replaces my current Garmin Forerunner 610.

The unit came out of the box ready to run. It did take a few moments for the receiver to find the satellites the first time I powered it on but this was as much about me being a guy (ie not reading the instructions) than the unit needing time. One of the huge hits I see with the 220 and 620 is that if one cradles the unit and connects to the computer (or wifi for the 620) it downloads expected satellite positions for the next 7 days. The result is that the unit finds itself within seconds once you turn it on. No more waiting, walking around the drive with your left arm extended, or daring to get as close to the intersection as one can when staying at a downtown hotel, you simply turn it on.

I found set up and operating the watch while on the run to be easy. I would think that most any current Garmin user would have no issues as the power/light button is the upper left; the start stop the upper right and the lap button the lower right. One neat improvement is the lower left button flips the clock on and then returns to your last screen; a feature that comes in handy on the long run. Also, taking the unit out of sleep/clock mode is much easier than the 610. One simply presses any button other than the light button, a lock icon comes up and the user simply presses that icon to put the watch into workout mode. I am getting use to the new chimes and sounds coming from the unit. They actually make sense on laps, run starts and run stops.

A Coach on your wrist. This is where the 620 gets seriously cool. First of all, the unit looks at your workout(s) and prescribes a recovery period. I believe one can override the period and still workout, but I find this function to be one of the more valuable (and probably over looked) new adds to the unit. What many runners fail to realize is that strength and fitness are not gained during the work; rather, these gains are achieved through recovery. I am trying to figure out the logic behind the calculation, but so far after four runs, the suggestions are not out of the world.

Running form – the unit’s HR Strap contains an accelerometer. Funny, now that I think it through, the sternum is the best place to take turn over, vertical oscillation readings instead of on a foot pod. With these two sets of data, and the GPS speed input the unit calculates ground contact time and average distance per stride. It takes all this data and creates a personalized algorithm that is then uses for those times when you decide to run on the TM. I ran hills on a mill as one of my runs. The unit indicated that I was running about the same speed as my foot pod would have with an exception… the indicated speed would fall off on some incline changes and if I went to a walk. With time, this should get a little better I would hope.

VO2 Max is the measure of “How big is your engine?” It is a trainable value within your given genetic makeup. The concept is relatively simple, the more oxygen you can consume per unit of weight, the more work you can do – in the case of running, the faster you can go. For VO2Max, the unit looks at speed, heart rate and HR variability and predicts a VO2Max. I am kind of shocked at the number it suggests for me. I would have expected more degradation from when I was testing regularly in my IM days. Stating that, the unit calculated my VO2Max within a range that I would have expected at this point in my marathon training. I am only 9 ml/kg/min below my all time measured peak and about half of that is due to a weight gain from that year.

One feature that I am not so sure of is the conversion of VO2Max data into race predictions. I believe that the conversion for the Jack Daniels race prediction tables and therefore assume a well-trained athlete. The predicted marathon time is just under my PR but within a stone’s throw of a BQ time. I seriously do not think that my current state of training would support a marathon in the time range of the prediction. I may have the engine but the suspension and tires are well worn at this point in time. It does get me thinking and I may try to find a small, well supported race in Fall 2014. Hmmmmm.

Finally, the run/walk interval set up on the unit is easy and changeable on the fly. I am still reviewing the harder core interval workouts and will attempt to see how the ‘coach on the wrist’ does at assisting in the setup of speed work.

Thank you Santa
 
Thanks for the review. I have looked at possibly getting the 220, since I don't know as if the added features of the 620 are worth it for me. Do you think it's worth another $150 retail?

My old 305 works fine and was a bargain at $130.
 
For me, the added features were well worth the $$. I am a huge fan of training to the body's ability (when trying to push PR's) and the "coach on a wrist" features are an alternative to the multiple metabolic tests required for upper end training. I used to receive the testing free as a perk for working at LTF - but without that perk it's about $80 per test. Two tests pay for the increased functionality.

If one is not interested in that functionality the 220 would still feel like a Ferrari as compared with the 305.
 
One thing to note on the new models of the Garmin watches is that they do not have biking mode anymore.

So if anyone has a current model and uses it for their biking too, that functionality is not in the new models.
 

Awesome review, thanks for writing.

I love my 110, and don't hope to replace it anytime soon, but still enjoy reading about other products.
 
One thing to note on the new models of the Garmin watches is that they do not have biking mode anymore.

So if anyone has a current model and uses it for their biking too, that functionality is not in the new models.

I didn't know that until after my purchase. Though I bit the bullet 3-4 years back and purchased a Garmin Edge after getting lost during a week-long 'loosely' organized bike ride.
 
Coach, it's funny you posted this because my 305 and 100 both died so I desperately need a new watch. I'm a little disappointed with the lifespan of my 2 Garmins and my wife's as well (even though hers is still working) so I'm going to need some convincing to stay in the Garmin family.

If the Nike watch did what I wanted it to do (track current mile pace, overall pace, total distance and total time) I'd be all over it since it's a cheaper alternative and I know some people who have it and love it. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong and the Nike watch does all that.

I love the Garmin's ease of use and features; however I cannot merit spending that much money every year on a new watch. I can't get either of my watches to power up any more and I've done all the trouble shooting that is listed to do on the web.
 
Coach, it's funny you posted this because my 305 and 100 both died so I desperately need a new watch. I'm a little disappointed with the lifespan of my 2 Garmins and my wife's as well (even though hers is still working) so I'm going to need some convincing to stay in the Garmin family.

If the Nike watch did what I wanted it to do (track current mile pace, overall pace, total distance and total time) I'd be all over it since it's a cheaper alternative and I know some people who have it and love it. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong and the Nike watch does all that.

I love the Garmin's ease of use and features; however I cannot merit spending that much money every year on a new watch. I can't get either of my watches to power up any more and I've done all the trouble shooting that is listed to do on the web.

The Nike does instantaneous pace, overall pace, you can set an interval and give you the time over that interval (I use it for 1/4, 1/2mi repeats as well as 1 mile time), distance, time, calories, HR. You can customize what you see on the watch through the software.

It has worked well and I like the website interface, but am intrigued as well with the Garmin....maybe in the future.
 
I too cancelled a backordered 620 that was not scheduled to be delivered until mid-Dec (it had been delayed 4 times already). I found one in stock and ordered from Road Runner Sports the week before Thanksgiving. The watch arrived within 2 days of ordering! I took it out of the box, set it up, added my walk/run intervals, and used it on treadmill a few times to get it all figured out prior to a 4 mile race on Thanksgiving morning. The time on the watch (58:39) was off my "official" race time (58:41) by a few seconds but that could be the difference between when I step over the finish and when I turned the watch off. I am really loving it! It is very easy to use - even while running and the light weight makes it comfortable to wear.

Some might say that this watch is overkill for a new runner like myself but I am really liking the feedback that it provides me and "seeing" my improvements (though incremental at this point) and areas where I can improve in graphic detail is very motivating.

It showed, as suspected, that I need to work on cadence and vertical oscillation. Any suggestions for drills or other such activity to improve cadence? I've found a few articles but nothing that really seems very helpful.

The one thing I read in other reviews, and can confirm by my own treadmill experience with the watch, is that the internal accelerometer does not do a good job of tracking mileage on the treadmill. At the recommendation of other reviewers, I got a footpod and simply put it on my shoe when on the treadmill and remove it when using the watch outside until Garmin makes the needed software update.

The watch is a hefty investment but one that I am very happy with thus far. It gets a big :thumbsup2 from this new runner.
 
Coach, it's funny you posted this because my 305 and 100 both died so I desperately need a new watch. I'm a little disappointed with the lifespan of my 2 Garmins and my wife's as well (even though hers is still working) so I'm going to need some convincing to stay in the Garmin family.

If the Nike watch did what I wanted it to do (track current mile pace, overall pace, total distance and total time) I'd be all over it since it's a cheaper alternative and I know some people who have it and love it. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong and the Nike watch does all that.

I love the Garmin's ease of use and features; however I cannot merit spending that much money every year on a new watch. I can't get either of my watches to power up any more and I've done all the trouble shooting that is listed to do on the web.

For the most part, I have not had that experience with Garmins. I think it warrants a call to Olathe (Garmin HQ) and explain to them your issue. The couple issues I have had with the units have been resolved through a phone call. One was with the battery and buttons on a 305 about 14 months after purchase - the unit was replaced for free. That created a lot of good will from my perspective.

I would suggest looking at the reviews here http://www.dcrainmaker.com/. These reviews are very thorough and unbiased.
 
It showed, as suspected, that I need to work on cadence and vertical oscillation. Any suggestions for drills or other such activity to improve cadence? I've found a few articles but nothing that really seems very helpful.

I'm not sure how to improve vertical oscillation, but for cadence, the best tool is a metronome. If you are currently at 160 steps per minute, then you can set up the metronome to 170 bpm. Once you get to 170 being comfortable, then increase to the optimal 180 bpm. Be careful when trying to increase your steps outside using the metronome. The best place to utilize this tool is on the treadmill. The reasoning behind this is that most people who use a metronome are so set on getting their foot down when that beep occurs that sometimes there might be a crack in the cement or a hole in the pavement that you need to avoid and you worry too much about where you need to plant that foot and end up tripping and getting injured. The treadmill provides a steady landing area. You could probably also work on a high school track as those surfaces are pretty consistent as well.
 
Thanks Diskidatheart! I downloaded a metronome app on my iPhone and will give it a try.

From what I have read vertical oscillation and ground contact time (which the 620 also measures) will both improve as cadence improves. So improving cadence seems key.

My results from the 4 miler show an average cadence of 133spm, vertical oscillation of 6.0cm and ground contact time of 359ms. So I have a way to go on cadence improvement. As I understand improving cadence will also help with conserving engery (as less is expended) and lessen the impact on my knees and hips - all of this is a great bonus for me and something I look forward too:)
 
For the most part, I have not had that experience with Garmins. I think it warrants a call to Olathe (Garmin HQ) and explain to them your issue. The couple issues I have had with the units have been resolved through a phone call. One was with the battery and buttons on a 305 about 14 months after purchase - the unit was replaced for free. That created a lot of good will from my perspective.

I would suggest looking at the reviews here http://www.dcrainmaker.com/. These reviews are very thorough and unbiased.

Also, with a Garmin that is out of warranty they will do an "out of warranty repair" for much less than the cost of purchasing a new one. In my case, my 305 stopped charging a couple of months ago even after all manner of soft and hard resets. I bought it in early 2010, but they have a program where they will repair or replace the unit for $80. I got a like-new refurb, including the ability to beep (which mine had lost years ago) and a new strap (which I had replaced with a non-OEM band also years ago). It was totally worth it to me, because aside from the lack of swim capability and clunky form factor, it's an extremely functional model.
 
What is the official release date on the 620 and 220? I was hoping to get a 220 before the marathon and Amazon says shipping Jan 3?? Other sites say Dec 5.
 
Thanks Diskidatheart! I downloaded a metronome app on my iPhone and will give it a try.

From what I have read vertical oscillation and ground contact time (which the 620 also measures) will both improve as cadence improves. So improving cadence seems key.

My results from the 4 miler show an average cadence of 133spm, vertical oscillation of 6.0cm and ground contact time of 359ms. So I have a way to go on cadence improvement. As I understand improving cadence will also help with conserving engery (as less is expended) and lessen the impact on my knees and hips - all of this is a great bonus for me and something I look forward too:)

Note that these running factors are all interrelated. Just changing turnover alone may not necessarily improve the other form factors. I urge caution before trying to increase turnover in isolation. I am not a metronome fan because folks tend to push the cadence up too far too fast without making other adjustments in their gait. Don't get me wrong, its a tool that is suited for understanding your turnover, but you have that tool in the 620 as well.

Before you change anything, review this site. http://www.chirunning.com Then google too find a few videos. The concepts are simple, the changes require dedication and the results will show up on your 620 fairly quickly (3-6 months). I found that most new runners tend to look like the figure on the left. A few simple changes starting in the area of the core (like rolling your hips forward and running off the glutes) make a world of difference in a hurry.

Also, one other quick note... Recent studies are showing the a turnover of 180 may not be the ideal and most efficient rate. Thanks to Lance and his 90 RPM cadence, everyone thought you needed to have a quicker turnover. I submit that a turnover in the 160-180 range is a good place to strive to. Look at the distribution range on the GarminConnect site and you sill see that the 180 end of the range is sparsely populated.

More later.... the real job is kicking today
 
I have looked at Chi running/walking before. Good idea to revisit them again. May even see if there is a group in my area. Thanks for the suggestion.

Not looking to make huge gains quickly just to improve over time. Anything I can do to be less injury prone is well worth the effort in my book.

Fractured my tibial plateau near Thanksgiving last year training for the Princess Half. Not wanting to ever go through all that again
 
What is the official release date on the 620 and 220? I was hoping to get a 220 before the marathon and Amazon says shipping Jan 3?? Other sites say Dec 5.

They're out. Some sites have them backordered...I got a 220 from RunningWarehouse.com and it was delivered on Monday. Haven't had a change to try it out yet. :goodvibes
 
I see a few 220's in stock ( they say 2 or 3 left
in stock) so the stock is limited. I found both black/blue and purple/white and with or without the heart monitor.

Don't be afraid to cancel and reorder with someone who has it in stock. I did this and had mine two days after ordering. My original order was with Brands Cycle and Fitness ( which now show mid Jan 2014 delivery).

Good luck!
 
They're out. Some sites have them backordered...I got a 220 from RunningWarehouse.com and it was delivered on Monday. Haven't had a change to try it out yet. :goodvibes

Thanks for the clarification. I thought they were out already also until I saw all the "Pre-orders" and got a little confused. I ended up ordering yesterday from a site that says estimated ship date of 12/13. I even found a 5% off coupon :cool1:

Now I have to be that person that orders their own Christmas presents and then asks someone to repay them :rolleyes1
 



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