Gabby Petito

[VandVsmama]

Everybody suddenly seems like experts on gaslighting. None of that matters anymore. I doubt they’ll be getting into the nuances of gaslighting in a trial if Brian is found alive and if he is charged with Gabby’s murder, if a murder occurred.

 

[Marrila]

Hmm - seems that she has also reached the conclusion that he killed her. That would be tough, second guessing yourself and how you handled a situation and what you might have said that could have potentially changed the outcome.

It would be very tough.But I think she did what she could at the time.
I wonder how many times GP had a similar conversation with friends or family that were getting concerned?

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Everybody suddenly seems like experts on gaslighting. None of that matters anymore. I doubt they’ll be getting into the nuances of gaslighting in a trial if Brian is found alive and if he is charged with Gabby’s murder, if a murder occurred.

You totally misread and totally misunderstand my point about gaslighting. It is very relevant if she appeared as the aggressor says she hit him to cop and did not say he hit her when a 911 call said otherwise and it ended up she was an abused victim and he had been abusing her. So YES all that will come up in trial, absolutely will, they may not use the world or term gaslighting, as that is just a word to describe that kind of behavior. Why else might he be tried or charged as you say above, if he didn't victimize her? Your post makes absolutely no sense. As far as nuances about gaslighting, I was explaining that may have happened as she appeared to act like she was all at fault in front of cop, but now is dead so possible. Everything that happened will come up in trial or should come up in trial IF there is a trial and IF he is charged or found. If you are not interested in nuances of gaslighting, pass it on by. As someone that has been gaslighted myself, yes I think myself knowledgeable on the nuances of it. I said it is possible here for above reasons. There are many scenarios possible, and not enough evidence yet to know exactly what happened, also sadly we may never know. I hope we do find out, her family deserves that.

 

[Sinder]

It would be very tough.But I think she did what she could at the time.
I wonder how many times GP had a similar conversation with friends or family that were getting concerned?

Has any friend or family come forward saying they had any concerns about her in the relationship?

 

[VandVsmama]

You totally misread and totally misunderstand my point about gaslighting. It is very relevant if she appeared as the aggressor says she hit him and did not say he hit her when a 911 call said otherwise and ended up she was an abused victim and he had been abusing her. So YES all that will come up in trial, absolutely will, they may not use the world or term gaslighting, as that is just a word to describe that kind of behavior or what may have happened and may absolutely be charged with her murder and abuse. Why else would he be tried then if he didn't victimize her? Your post makes absolutely no sense.

We will agree to disagree on this matter.

 

[tzolkin]

Everybody suddenly seems like experts on gaslighting. None of that matters anymore. I doubt they’ll be getting into the nuances of gaslighting in a trial if Brian is found alive and if he is charged with Gabby’s murder, if a murder occurred.

Of course it matters. Even throughout this thread some people have been vilifying her as the "aggressor" and raising the possibility of him killing her in self defense. You don't think that would be brought up in a trial? If there is a trial, I believe their relationship issues and types of abuse will be a major focus of both the defense and the prosecution.

The only credible report we have so far is that she was the aggressor, not him. There is a police report. None of us know what happened including me but he wouldn't be the first person to kill his abuser if the police report is true.

Personally, I disagree. Others witnessed violence that they felt worth calling the police including mentioning seeing him hit her. And both of them acknowledged that he "grabbed her face" and shoved her. If I saw a man grab a woman's face and shove her enough to knock her off balance, I certainly would not consider that to be a completely one sided attack with the woman as the perpetrator.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It would be very tough.But I think she did what she could at the time.

And that's all the police can really do. I'm sure they spend a lot of time second guessing themselves but that will eventually interfere with their jobs. Their gut isn't always wrong nor is it always right. Right now it's something that with being bombarded by the news, and social media posts and criticism of how the case was handled it would be all too easy to ruminate thinking you made the wrong decision. IMO parties involved or those close to the case (be it friend or family) need to stay away from talking to news outlets. I def. want to know more information but things get out of control quickly when you have a bunch of people just talking away.

 

[GreatLakes]

There is also the 911 report that said they saw him hitting her. So saying that the only credible report is she was the aggressor is not really true. As far as news driven by ratings, yes, that is true, but the news should not be driven by ratings. You blame that just on the audience? or should the ones making the profit be blamed? It never used to be, but many regulations were dismantled over the years. News now is about profit and money at all costs, even if that means misinformation, and that does say a lot about our society and system.

Personally, I disagree. Others witnessed violence that they felt worth calling the police including mentioning seeing him hit her. And both of them acknowledged that he "grabbed her face" and shoved her. If I saw a man grab a woman's face and shove her enough to knock her off balance, I certainly would not consider that to be a completely one sided attack with the woman as the perpetrator.

If he pushed her off of him in self-defense she is the perpetrator and he was just defending himself. No one has to sit there and take being hit or attacked without fighting back and that doesn't make both parties the aggressor. The police report posted earlier in this thread is what matters. It didn't state both sides were the aggressor, it stated one was the aggressor and one was the victim despite what the 911 caller said. Witnesses often are wrong or only get part of the story while that police report was filed after lengthy interviews with both parties.

ETA: More may be uncovered during the investigation of course and the guy could be abusive for all anyone knows but as far as official documentation the only one I've seen so far is the police report posted earlier.

None of us would even know about this case if it hadn't been covered in the news in the first place.

But if people didn't keep clicking on the links and tuning in they would move on to other stories. It shouldn't be this way but at the end of the day the demand side will always drive the supply side. The people are demanding more and more coverage by the news and the talking heads so that is what they will supply.

 

[Marrila]

If he pushed her off of him in self-defense she is the perpetrator and he was just defending himself. No one has to sit there and take being hit or attacked without fighting back and that doesn't make both parties the aggressor. The police report posted earlier in this thread is what matters. It didn't state both sides were the aggressor, it stated one was the aggressor and one was the victim despite what the 911 caller said. Witnesses often are wrong or only get part of the story while that police report was filed after lengthy interviews with both parties.

Like others, I believe the 911 call is a very important part of the whole picture.
I can see where and probably why opinions vary on this.

 

[VandVsmama]

At this point, law enforcement has not come out and stated that it's a homicide investigation. Just be patient. The facts will all eventually come out into the open.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Of course it matters. Even throughout this thread some people have been vilifying her as the "aggressor" and raising the possibility of him killing her in self defense. You don't think that would be brought up in a trial? If there is a trial, I believe their relationship issues and types of abuse will be a major focus of both the defense and the prosecution.


Personally, I disagree. Others witnessed violence that they felt worth calling the police including mentioning seeing him hit her. And both of them acknowledged that he "grabbed her face" and shoved her. If I saw a man grab a woman's face and shove her enough to knock her off balance, I certainly would not consider that to be a completely one sided attack with the woman as the perpetrator.

Personally I think vilified is too strong a term. But if we’re going to say it about Gabby, we could also say the same about Brian, too. And it’s not just on this thread. Because thoughts and opinions on this thread are pretty similar to thoughts and opinions from the more general population, if comments are any reflection.

Last I checked we still have a presumption of innocence in this country. It seems like many would be ready to hang him today.

 

[MamaMermaid]

Why?
Doubt he'll say a word going forward if he's found.

The hope of some accountability! Don't get me wrong: I think he's a monster even if he didn't kill her.

 

[bcla]

Autopsy will be performed today (Tuesday). Not sure why it wasn't done immediately, but there's a possibility that they contract it out since Teton County is so small. Even larger counties often contract out their autopsies.

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/fbi-...cle_30fdcf6c-574c-52ee-80b9-2ce1fd8a869d.html​

An autopsy is scheduled today for the human remains found Sunday in a dispersed camping area bordering Grand Teton National Park that match the description of Gabrielle “Gabby” Petito, an adventure blogger who hasn’t been seen or heard from since late August.​

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Teton County Coroner Dr. Brent Blue said he expects to know the cause of death and exact identity of the body within two weeks but added that he can’t be sure about that timeline.​

I looked it up, and Teton County Coroner is actually a family practice physician and not a pathologist. But this article says that there are three deputy coroners (I assume doctors) and the state doesn't require autopsies be performed by pathologists. They're not equipped for a lot of autopsies. It says that they had difficulties transporting two bodies that were a result of a climbing accident.

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news...cle_1fa95ee0-7fef-5c93-bad8-c30471106585.html​

“If you wanted to kill somebody in Wyoming, you could get away with it,” Blue told the Jackson Hole News&Guide.​

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“We really need a better examiner system in the state, but we’re 40 or 50 years behind,” Blue said. “In order to be coroner in the state of Wyoming you have to be 18 and a registered voter. That’s it.”​

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The state has no medical examiner and doesn’t require pathologists to perform autopsies, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website.​

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“If you go to a state that is progressive and has a modern system, what you’ll see is coroners are basically officials who do a lot of paperwork and administrative work, but there’s a medical examiner system in addition,” Blue said. “The medical examiner is the one who really determines the cause of death, and the coroner certifies everything.”​

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Blue is the first doctor who’s been coroner in Teton County.​

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Of course it matters. Even throughout this thread some people have been vilifying her as the "aggressor" and raising the possibility of him killing her in self defense. You don't think that would be brought up in a trial? If there is a trial, I believe their relationship issues and types of abuse will be a major focus of both the defense and the prosecution.


Personally, I disagree. Others witnessed violence that they felt worth calling the police including mentioning seeing him hit her. And both of them acknowledged that he "grabbed her face" and shoved her. If I saw a man grab a woman's face and shove her enough to knock her off balance, I certainly would not consider that to be a completely one sided attack with the woman as the perpetrator.

You were forced to take medication for anxiety? Most adults are free to decide for themselves whether or not they want to take medication for a physical or mental illness.


At least one of the linked articles definitely reported that he hit her, but I believe the majority said that he “grabbed her face” and “shoved” her (but did not “hit” her). I think any altercation is going to be reported by witnesses with their own biases and perceptions. The descriptions are subjective, not absolute fact.

I believe most people I know would lump any “mild” physical assault in the same category so the face grabbing and shoving may be considered “hitting” by some observers. For them, ANY incidence of him laying his hands on her would be described as hitting/assault. Whereas someone else (perhaps someone who has been exposed to violence and abuse regularly) may say “well he didn’t hit her, he just pushed her around a bit”.

Please note that I am not staying one of these is “correct”. I’m just giving an example of how two people witnessing the exact same incident may perceive and describe it differently.

There is a 911 call did you not hear it? The guy says he saw them on the sidewalk and the guy was slapping her in the call which is why he called 911. He did not say the girl was hitting the guy. Also that is what alerted police to the van to pull them over.

 

[Marrila]

Transcript of 911 call is in this link.
https://abc7chicago.com/gabby-petito-911-call-released-on-laundrie-altercation-brian/11033429/

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

but there's a possibility that they contract it out since Teton County is so small. Even larger counties often contract out their autopsies.

Up until this year when the several million dollar facility was completed (paid for by taxpayers) our county which has the most population in my state contracted out autopsies to the county above us. The reason was there was a relatively low level of autopsies done per year. I guess the contract was about $500K to do it in the county above us.

Somewhere down the road they decided if they could build a facility it would be a more state of the art one even though they don't do too many autopsies a year (it said in 2019 they did 400 total with 12 being homicides). I wouldn't necessarily know the lag in time here with Gabby but that was one of the reasons also for the desire to have a facility in our county. They said "Testing will be done at an in-house lab, which will go a long way in reducing the amount of time it takes to complete autopsy reports and issuing death certificates" with a goal now to get 90% of cases turned around in 60 days.

I get the point of what you posted they were saying about getting a better examiner system, ours in my area seemed to lag behind too. Apparently our new facility has a CT scanner and a Lodox full body x-ray technology. It was said "Bullets won’t be able to hide just off x-ray,” “We will be able to see all edges of the body and know exactly where a bullet is, for example.” I'd like to know if for Gabby they end up finding wounds whatever they may be that lead to foul play.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

The hope of some accountability! Don't get me wrong: I think he's a monster even if he didn't kill her.

Would you mind sharing what you feel makes him “a monster even if he didn’t kill her”? I really want to know.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Autopsy will be performed today (Tuesday). Not sure why it wasn't done immediately, but there's a possibility that they contract it out since Teton County is so small. Even larger counties often contract out their autopsies.

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/fbi-...cle_30fdcf6c-574c-52ee-80b9-2ce1fd8a869d.html​

An autopsy is scheduled today for the human remains found Sunday in a dispersed camping area bordering Grand Teton National Park that match the description of Gabrielle “Gabby” Petito, an adventure blogger who hasn’t been seen or heard from since late August.​

​

Teton County Coroner Dr. Brent Blue said he expects to know the cause of death and exact identity of the body within two weeks but added that he can’t be sure about that timeline.​

I looked it up, and Teton County Coroner is actually a family practice physician and not a pathologist. But this article says that there are three deputy coroners (I assume doctors) and the state doesn't require autopsies be performed by pathologists. They're not equipped for a lot of autopsies. It says that they had difficulties transporting two bodies that were a result of a climbing accident.

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news...cle_1fa95ee0-7fef-5c93-bad8-c30471106585.html​

“If you wanted to kill somebody in Wyoming, you could get away with it,” Blue told the Jackson Hole News&Guide.​

​

“We really need a better examiner system in the state, but we’re 40 or 50 years behind,” Blue said. “In order to be coroner in the state of Wyoming you have to be 18 and a registered voter. That’s it.”​

​

The state has no medical examiner and doesn’t require pathologists to perform autopsies, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website.​

​

“If you go to a state that is progressive and has a modern system, what you’ll see is coroners are basically officials who do a lot of paperwork and administrative work, but there’s a medical examiner system in addition,” Blue said. “The medical examiner is the one who really determines the cause of death, and the coroner certifies everything.”​

​

Blue is the first doctor who’s been coroner in Teton County.​

Yikes. I hope they brought in expert additional/consulting/backup MEs for this one.

 

[mjkacmom]

Has any friend or family come forward saying they had any concerns about her in the relationship?

They were high school sweethearts, they lived together with his parents, I don’t understand why folks are judging their relationship on one incident. If their relationship was unhealthy I can’t imagine his parents would continue to allow them to live together in their home, or why Gabby’s parents wouldn’t have mentioned it when talking to the media or police.

 

[Marrila]

They were high school sweethearts, they lived together with his parents, I don’t understand why folks are judging their relationship on one incident. If their relationship was unhealthy I can’t imagine his parents would continue to allow them to live together in their home, or why Gabby’s parents wouldn’t have mentioned it when talking to the media or police.

I don't know their history. I base some of my opinions on the 911 call. I think it takes some icky entitlement (and maybe having done it before) to be comfortable with slapping a woman in public.
ETA...And obviously, slapping anyone in public or anywhere else is unacceptable behavior.