Gabby Petito

[Heigh-Ho]

I'll do my own edit (please don't judge me!!) and remove.

Let's get back to poor Gabby here

 

[Sinder]

I will have to go back and find and read it. Was out today reading this on my phone.
Was this a different witness than “Christopher”?
Why would they all concur with what happened in the police report if it was different?
Is this the gaslighting that people were referring to?
Just trying to figure this all out after shopping and while getting dinner ready.

I'm not sure who the witness is, I didn't catch his name in the recording. It's a few pages back so you don't have to look to far if you want to find it.
I'm wondering if what this man witnessed was Brian defending himself since he does admit that he shoved her when she was hitting him. At least I think he did, I am really starting to get confused in keeping what I read in news articles and here straight.

I also have no idea what else is going on in this thread about the gaslighting thing, I just skimmed over that.

 

[AndreaA]

Good grief. REGARDLESS of who hit whom or if bother were aggressors or if he was gaslighting her or vice versa, the plain facts are that HE came home ALIVE and she did not. At the VERY LEAST he knows/knew where he last saw her and could have told her parents and/or the police that much. Instead he holed up at his parents’ home and then they let him take off without notifying the police as soon as he left.

If anyone thinks that’s not suspicious... sheesh, I don’t know what to tell you, but mental illness or no, IT’S SUSPICIOUS, and there really should be no debate about that. MAYBE he didn’t kill her (highly doubtful IMO) but he sure as heck didn’t help her.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Is this the gaslighting that people were referring to?

I was trying to keep it straight myself it quickly got twisted up. I think the gaslighting the poster who brought it up was maybe thinking that she hit him but it was because he was egging her on??? I guess?? I'm not sure.

I'm wondering if what this man witnessed was Brian defending himself since he does admit that he shoved her when she was hitting him.

Hmmm that is something to think about

I am really starting to get confused in keeping what I read in news articles and here straight.

I agree, maybe that's why tensions got up in the last few pages. Hard to keep track of the sources and what they said and what people were saying

 

[Heigh-Ho]

HE came home ALIVE and she did not. At the VERY LEAST he knows/knew where he last saw her and could have told her parents and/or the police that much. Instead he holed up at his parents’ home and then they let him take off without notifying the police as soon as he left.

If anyone thinks that’s not suspicious... sheesh, I don’t know what to tell you, but mental illness or no, IT’S SUSPICIOUS, and there really should be no debate about that. MAYBE he didn’t kill her (highly doubtful IMO) but he sure as heck didn’t help her.

I think we were all in agreement about this? I thought the thread had a general thought that yes he probably knew at least where she last seen even if he didn't know where her body was so he should have told the police, told the parents, his parents shouldn't have covered if they did, they should have told the police the moment he left. I think we all think a lot of this stuff is suspicious. The mental health conversation didn't mean that people didn't view his actions as not suspicious but just that things can happen that you might not even think was possible. No he didn't help her but I think we all felt this way. Oh it's hard to keep up but that was the overall vibe I got from this thread that posters agreed on much of what you touched on.

The recent conversations were because newer information was coming about because the other stuff was days old at this point in discovery of knowing, even as high tension as it got, I think that's a fair discussion to have.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I think we were all in agreement about this? I thought the thread had a general thought that yes he probably knew at least where she last seen even if he didn't know where her body was so he should have told the police, told the parents, his parents shouldn't have covered if they did, they should have told the police the moment he left. I think we all think a lot of this stuff is suspicious. The mental health conversation didn't mean that people didn't view his actions as not suspicious but just that things can happen that you might not even think was possible. No he didn't help her but I think we all felt this way. Oh it's hard to keep up but that was the overall vibe I got from this thread that posters agreed on much of what you touched on.

The recent conversations were because newer information was coming about because the other stuff was days old at this point in discovery of knowing, even as high tension as it got, I think that's a fair discussion to have.

I agree with most of what you’ve said here. But the police report will always be the police report regardless of whether “new” information comes in.

 

[TheIncredibles!]

what doctor would diagnosis anxiety with out giving meds I was 21 and I don’t remember getting a choice in the matter

Meds are not always the solution and are not the only solution.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Sure. I did post about this several other times in this thread, as well, but I know it’s hard to catch every word on something like this. Plus, we’re all reading different things and watching different shows, etc. So things can overlap.

But my reading of the police incident was that she was the aggressor, and in a state of manic behavior at that time.

His touching her was not hitting her, per se, but his moves were defensive when she was hitting him. She hit him in the face with her phone and scratched his face. He also had scratches on his arms from her grabbing his arms while he was driving the van (which caused the van to swerve). He had no visible injuries that I recall.

The police felt that they were dealing with a “mental health crisis”; both admitted to having mental health issues without being treated with medication but none of us know exactly what they are at this time (other than what was listed that they admitted to in the police report).

I’m not sure where people are getting their information that “he hit her”, except if maybe they read different sources than what I read. However, there is little doubt that that police report - in which she was deemed the aggressor - will be a big part of his defense, IMO.

Thank you so much for your response! You are right if it's in a police report how could his attorney not use that as part of his defense. I think like the other person mentioned that witness that saw him touch her physically that could also be used but against him but also for him just depending on how other information fits in.

This case has me going from ups and downs. I was saddened to hear about them finding her body (their confidence in finding her body at least) but then at least was relieved she's not still missing. I thought at this point it was going to be pretty hard to find her alive but the thought of her maybe still out there helpless would have me in knots too.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Thank you so much for your response! You are right if it's in a police report how could his attorney not use that as part of his defense. I think like the other person mentioned that witness that saw him touch her physically that could also be used but against him but also for him just depending on how other information fits in.

This case has me going from ups and downs. I was saddened to hear about them finding her body (their confidence in finding her body at least) but then at least was relieved she's not still missing. I thought at this point it was going to be pretty hard to find her alive but the thought of her maybe still out there helpless would have me in knots too.

Absolutely. I have been thinking all day about all of those involved with this. So devastating. I am very glad she was found. We have a friend of the family whose son went missing back in the 1970s and has never been found. The not knowing has been excruciating for them.

I read the Fox report on the witness call. I believe it was the same witness, ie the “Christopher” in the police report. I’m still a little unclear about all of it other than if maybe what he saw was BL defending himself, since they all seemed to agree when being questioned by the police on what happened.

But here’s what the article said:

Fox News was first to report that on Aug. 12, police in Moab, Utah responded to a report of a domestic dispute between the young couple. In a 911 call placed at the time, a person can be heard telling a police dispatcher that "the gentleman was slapping the girl."

The call appears to contradict a police report in which an officer states "no one reported that the male struck the female."

With the bonded, I agree. So once again, we have conflicting information. I guess we will just have to see how it all plays out. I suspect that the police officers will stand by their written reports.

 

[RamblingMad]

We have the armchair detectives here. This is getting entertaining.

 

[piglet1979]

what doctor would diagnosis anxiety with out giving meds I was 21 and I don’t remember getting a choice in the matter

No Meds are not always given. My daughter has been diagnosised with anxiety but meds have never been brought up. She does see a therapist once a month though.

It's also important to remember that the autopsy procedure is not the end of the medical examiner's investigation. It's actually just the second phase, following the on-scene work. A lot of what goes on in an autopsy procedure is just collecting samples from the corpse. Those samples are then examined to see what, if anything, they tell us.

If the cause of death is not obvious, it could very well be 4-6 weeks before the autopsy results are determined...much less released.

Thank you for all of your explanation of the process. It has been very helpful to understand what is going on.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

We have a friend of the family whose son went missing back in the 1970s and has never been found. The not knowing has been excruciating for them.

That is so sad

So once again, we have conflicting information. I guess we will just have to see how it all plays out.

You're right. It's odd to have this sort of conflicting information or maybe not? I'll trust the police and FBI have an easier time keeping it all straight but I'm sitting here confused.

I know there was talks of that other couple found murdered, do we have any more information on that or is it that for now they have no connection to each other (I remember seeing there was a brief moment of thinking there was a connection but then it was said there is not).

 

[JimMIA]

That is so sad
You're right. It's odd to have this sort of conflicting information or maybe not? I'll trust the police and FBI have an easier time keeping it all straight but I'm sitting here confused.

It's not odd at all; it's the norm in very high-profile cases like this. The media is desperate for any scrap of info and they make a huge deal out of every little tidbit...most of which turns out to be completely irrelevant.

I know there was talks of that other couple found murdered, do we have any more information on that or is it that for now they have no connection to each other (I remember seeing there was a brief moment of thinking there was a connection but then it was said there is not).

The Moab Police announced that there was NO connection between the murders of the two women in Moab and Gabby/Brian.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

It's not odd at all; it's the norm in very high-profile cases like this. The media is desperate for any scrap of info and they make a huge deal out of every little tidbit...most of which turns out to be completely irrelevant.


The Moab Police announced that there was NO connection between the murders of the two women in Moab and Gabby/Brian.

Thanks for that information

 

[Marrila]

That is so sad
You're right. It's odd to have this sort of conflicting information or maybe not? I'll trust the police and FBI have an easier time keeping it all straight but I'm sitting here confused.

I know there was talks of that other couple found murdered, do we have any more information on that or is it that for now they have no connection to each other (I remember seeing there was a brief moment of thinking there was a connection but then it was said there is not).

I think conflicting, somewhat conflicting or information that isn't complete is not that unusual.
The investigators have a challenging task ahead of them sorting it all out.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I know there was talks of that other couple found murdered, do we have any more information on that or is it that for now they have no connection to each other (I remember seeing there was a brief moment of thinking there was a connection but then it was said there is not).

I don’t know too, too much about it, other than that there were some coincidences with both cases. Like, one of the women murdered worked at the store around where this same incident with the police occurred with Gabby and Brian. That couple also were somewhat nomadic and #vanlife followers. I could’ve sworn at the time of the incident with the other couple I’d seen some references to a drifter who was living in a tent who had a large cache of weapons and I think was brought in for questioning, but not much came of it. I also want to say that police in the area offered a warning to others staying in the area to watch out for themselves. That’s about all I know. I don’t know anything about the two other males who have been reported missing from the area. Does anyone know anything more about that? It does seem that there are some scary things happening there.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I also want to say that police in the area offered a warning to others staying in the area to watch out for themselves.

Since we're talking about odd or unusual I'm sure this warning isn't unusual but with so many people completely changing their lifestyles with this pandemic (and I'm not sure I can blame them) and with how people's reactions have been this year (seems to have been mostly this year you're hearing about terrible behavior from people) it makes me a bit uneasy. Living off the grid seems more risky now but that really could just be my own perception only.

 

[AndreaA]

I think we were all in agreement about this? I thought the thread had a general thought that yes he probably knew at least where she last seen even if he didn't know where her body was so he should have told the police, told the parents, his parents shouldn't have covered if they did, they should have told the police the moment he left. I think we all think a lot of this stuff is suspicious. The mental health conversation didn't mean that people didn't view his actions as not suspicious but just that things can happen that you might not even think was possible. No he didn't help her but I think we all felt this way. Oh it's hard to keep up but that was the overall vibe I got from this thread that posters agreed on much of what you touched on.

The recent conversations were because newer information was coming about because the other stuff was days old at this point in discovery of knowing, even as high tension as it got, I think that's a fair discussion to have.

My exasperation was with the recent turn of the conversation which seems to focus on the 911 call from weeks ago and the continuing insistence that she was the aggressor. I mean does it even matter at this point? She is DEAD. Let’s not pretend this was some sort of “Burning Bed” situation with him dealing with years of sustained, extreme abuse. Gabby LIVED with him and his parents for quite some time! I don’t care if she slapped him a few times. I mean talk about victim blaming. He had the opportunity to LEAVE - heck, the police would have HELPED him. He didn’t and now she is dead, most likely at his hand.

I have sons. I am acutely aware of the trouble men can have with reporting things like abuse, rape, etc.. This case is NOT one of those times and suggesting it is, feels insulting to actual male victims.

 

[bcla]

I'm wondering who the lead investigator is going to be here. There are always these weird jurisdictional issues. It's easy enough where there's a search and it's all hands on deck to look for someone. Even though the body was discovered on Forest Service land, I don't think the Forest Service or USDA really wants to handle this, although they do deal with a lot of people who die on their lands. I'm guessing the FBI is going to handle this.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Just because someone isn’t taking meds doesn’t mean a doctor didn’t prescribe meds. We only know they each told the police that they don’t take meds for their conditions, we have no idea if they were ever prescribed them.

Agreed and like another poster said they don't always prescribe them either. I also agree with another poster pages back people also self-medicate. I don't think they mentioned doing this (could be wrong) but that does happen.