FYI point value according to those who rent......

[fumipappa]

of cource if members create mess, they MUST take responsiblity. I am not saying renters are always creating mess or if any mess created, it is renters fault. It is not my point.

If I own DVC, I am going to protect my right as much as possible. If somebody creates mess, I don't care the person is member or not. I want those rude people to stay away from property because I hate to see those rude behavior.

 

[baileybrad]

you know that is the answer then there won't but a few points available for renting and thus there will not be the chance to "steal" them. I am really glad that the "s word" got somebody fired up. When someone is paying value resort prices for deluxe accomodations then they are getting a "steal" thus the use of the word. But I will continue to do all that I can to bank and borrow my points so that it won't be me allowing this to happen. Planning, planning, planning will definitely keep down the large availability of $10 dollar points. And for those of you who may have forgotten that was the point of this thread...folks renting points at "value resort" prices.

 

[normr]

Yes that's perfect, please do, go stay off site at Vistana and make youself think you're getting a Disney vacation. And please don't try to sneak into OUR pools or facilities because you THINK you're staying onsite.

 

[PamOKW]

fumipappa. Thanks for giving your opinion. I agree with the idea that by having no restrictions on rentals there is the possibility of opening things up for abuse. I'm not against renting and certainly not against having the ability to let others use the resort when we aren't there. But, I do feel DVC has to monitor how rentals are being conducted and be sure that someone is taking responsibility. My concern stems from a friend's Pompano condo (complete ownership, not a timeshare). Problems with the owners children having Spring Break bashes ended up with them needing to put in requirements that made it impossible for young adult children to use their parent's condos for any purpose. I don't want to see a situation like that at DVC. DVC being sure that commercial rental isn't taking place and cracking down on room occupancy (even if it negatively effects members) are two ways to be sure things stay under control.

 

[disneygals]

Thank You! Thank You! for my first personal slam on the DIS boards. I assume you're referring to me because I posted that I own at Vistana and was trying to show that a 2br for $6000-$7500 onsite may not compare to a $750 2 br Vistana for a true bargain hunter. Yes, you can have a true Disney vacation staying off-site, even without the little Mickey soaps.

And at what point did I indicate on my fake Disney vacations at the Vistana that I sneak into Disney pools?

 

[eva]

I definitely like the idea of making the member that is renting the points out responsible for any damage to a unit that has been rented out or given as a gift. This would definitely make me think twice about renting out points to people I don't know. I think that we should be responsible for items that are damaged or stolen while we are there or while someone is using our points to stay there. I find things missing in the units every trip. I usually call and have them replaced. I always wonder if there is someone being charged for the replacements. But I have never heard of anyone being charged for damaged or stolen items. Just so I don't get bashed, I am not blaming renters for any missing or damaged items. It could be members just as easily. I just think that DVC needs to start making members take more responsibilty for the condition that the units are left in. If I go to the Embassy Suites and trash the room they have my credit card number and I will be charged accordingly.

 

[BetsyB]

I agree with Fumipappa and Eva -- the DVC member responsible for the room reservation needs to be responsible for any damage or missing items during the length of stay -- whether they are staying themselves, giving to a friend or renting to a stranger. Eva questioned who paid for missing or damaged items -- I would assume that we all do with our dues every year. In essence, we are probably paying for someone else's abuse or neglect or apathy. –

 

[TnRobin]

Folks, so far this post has stayed away from directly attacking another poster, I have noticed a few post which are getting close to the edge.

Please keep personal attacks out of the post.

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[fkj2]

I think that there is a blanket $$$amount figured into our annual fees for wear-and-tear on the units. If extreme damage was done to the unit, I would hope that MS would charge the last occupant accordingly. It's a scarry thought that anyone would purposfully destroy any hotel room; that we don't have any better behavior than that. It's like the bankruptcy laws; we're all paying for those losses too in the form of higher prices.

And about MS patrolling the reservations....how could anyone realistically expect them to do that on top of their regular work of making ressies, priority seatings, shows, etc? I'm sure that policing is not in their job description

 

[Firefighter Mickey]

It makes sense to me, that since it's generally members staying at OKW (regardless of what anyone would try to have people believe), that the missing items from units are largely because of the members.

Maybe we should start by making the members responsible for items that turn up missing after their stay first.

 

[TrudyZ]

As all this started witht he concern over $10 pp; I have been looking at this as a renter (with a calculator) trying to figure out how much I would be willing to pay.

For all the risks involved (and the lack of housekeeping--available at $25-$40 extra a night), I don't think most renters would want to pay something near the price of Disney.

As the price rises, three issues surface:

1. Rentals will probably be exclusively limited to weeknights (Sun-Thur); as the increased point price drive weekend or even weekly (7 day) prices too close to Disney prices.

2. Disney's seasons don't follow DVCs--some of DVC magic and dream are disney's value season. So, with the increase in the price per point; certain times of the year DVC could be close to or more expensive than Disney.

3. If anyone was considering renting a larger unit (for example 2 bedroom) weekly; by the time they rent the points at the increased cost, they might as well think about buying in.

So, I guess what I am saying is that as the prices rise, I will be sharpening my pencil and figuring out just how good of a deal it really is. Since I am a weekly rental person and not just weekdays, my breakpoint of going straight to Disney for the ressie may be sooner than others.

 

[normr]

I'm just pointing out that with people renting points at such a cheap rate that they may just not even bother buying in when they can rent points from someone and get all the benefits of our "homes" Like I said below, don't their cards say DVC member when they check in.

In a new post there is a renter who is now calling their upcoming DVC stay "GOING HOME".


See, people don't have to buy anymore, they can have all the benefits we bought in for for about the same price as they could stay at a value resort.

Do their card s say DVC member too ?

What would these people pay if they could only buy from Disney? Would it equal to $20-$25 a point?, I see they're getting better rates than we do even with our 25% off DVC member rate.s

[This message was edited by normr on 03-17-01 at 01:45 PM.]

 

[normr]

When someone posts they are a Vistana owner and that a $750 Vistana rental is better than staying onsite is a slam to DVC and does a disservice to DVC and it's owners. Do these people tell their friends to look into DVC instead of other timeshares?

And then the point "And that MAYBE the $10 per point might be justified," It's obvious that renters want the luxury of deluxe accomodations but aren't willing to pay for it, Then they should then do us all a favor and stay at these bargain timeshares.

The point here is that most of us here feel that $10 per point is way to low. And it's not our responsibility to insure that non-owners get a discount vacation, That's exactly why they have timeshares like Vi stana.

The people have already made it up in their minds that staying at Vistana is JUST LIKE owning a DVC property by buying there. I'm sorry to tell you this (It's not!!!)

And on another point, which goes hand in hand with this is that I am tired of hearing about people staying offsite and thinking just because they boug ht passes for the parks and they are staying at some offsite motel,hotel or timeshare, that it entitles them to go to any onsite hotel they choose and use the facilities there.

Here is the quote that I have responded to:


(QUOTE) "There are beautiful 2 br timeshares (Vistana, which I own) that you can rent for $750 a week. If I'm truly bargain hunting, I'd choose that. But I MAY be able to justify paying you $10 a pt for the luxury of staying onsite at DVC."


But you do agree it is a luxury to stay onsite, here in your post, so why are we out of line attempting to ensure that our DVC homes remain a cut above anything else in the area and that the price of that luxury of being onsite is secured.

[This message was edited by normr on 03-17-01 at 01:16 PM.]

 

[TrudyZ]

Aw, Come on Norm, give these people a break. You need to read their post a little closer. What they said was:

"Thanks to a member renting to a non-member DH and I are heading "home" in ten days to join at VWL. We're staying there, like I said, through renting points and can't wait to become members."

Why are you raining on their parade? They say they are buying and becoming DVC members when they get there. If they cut the check when they are there, won't they be "home"? So the worst crime these people commit is that they were a little overzealous??! They seem to be truly excited and exuberant about joining DVC--I sure hope they don't see your post.

 

[disneygals]

The point of my post was that renters MAY not be coming in droves to rent a DVC for $20 a point because it may no longer be a bargain, except for possibly a studio at the lowest points in Jan, etc. Which is why I said that $6000-$7500 for a 2 br is certainly not a bargain. It may be less than Disney direct, but if a "true bargain hunter" was looking, they'd pass.

I also said that I was a DVC wannabe and I quite understand the perks of staying onsite. There are tons of other Orlando timeshares, hotels, etc and I just don't believe that thousands are descending on your pools daily. Yes, there are idiots who break rules, but why did I get the brunt of your anger just because I own at an inferior timeshare?

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but reread your original post, it was not kind.
People who stay off-site don't have "cooties".

 

[wininbid]

Like TrudyZ just said, I hope those poor people don't read your post. Now a non-member can't use the word "home" until after they have bought into the DVC. This whole thread is amusing the heck out of me. I think I see what is really going on. A bunch of you are just "acting" like selfish, mean, inconsiderate people, to try to discourage us "messy, rude, stealing renters" from renting into your "homes". I'm glad I realize that those people are just acting, and not really like this in the real world. Well maybe the acting job will work for those that are trying. Lots of people will probably reconsider renting your "homes" so they won't risk the chance of being in a room right next to some of you. Consider the possibility that some of these "theiving" renters might just be renting a week or so to check out things and see if buying in is right for them. Why don't you show them the same gratitude as somone that has just signed the check to DVC.
Let me see, Disney refers to these resorts in the DVC, as "Home Away from Home" resorts. I'm going to OKW this summer, and yes, I'M GOING HOME!!! I too can say that because Disney says that I can!
One more point. I'm going to go to a very beautiful, plush resort on the grounds of Disney. Because I am renting and not an owner, I am going to tear the place up. I guess everybody that rents rooms at all the other Disney resorts, is tearing them up too because they don't own into them. That is such an immature and totally ludicrous comment to say.
Sorry to all those DVC members that are truly special people. There are a bunch of you though that need to think back to the reasons that made you first buy into the DVC. Obvioulsy it was for the profit!!

 

[eva]

I think that some of you are really missing the point. When you join DVC it is a special club. That is why it is called "Disney Vacation Club". If you notice we always wait until a person has actually decided to buy before giving him/her a big "Welcome Home". If you are a member you have actually purchased a piece of property that belongs to you. Renters are only guests. That does not mean that renters are inferior people. It just means that they have not taken the risk of investing a large portion of their hard earned money into purchasing the club. I really do not mind having renters at any of the DVC resorts. What I do mind is that they are not taking the same risk that members have and are actually receiving priority over members at non-home resorts. It would really burn me to find out that the 1-bedroom that I have been waitlisted for since the 7-month window actually went to a person renting for $250 a night. I wish that there was some way that DVC could regulate renting and gifting rooms. Maybe they could say that you can not make a reservation until the 7-month window unless it under the purchaser's name. Then we would all be playing on the same ball field at least.

 

[Bigcat]

What difference does it make if it is the member, a guest, or a renter actually occupying the room? The DVC member still had to make the reservation using his points, that are equal to all other members points in rights and priveledges. This whole argument is moot. Renter or not, it is still the member's decision on how to use the points. What should any other member care what is done with my points as long as I ( and my guests ) are obeying the rules we all agreed to when we bought?

On the other hand, $10/pt is too low...charge more when you rent your points.

And, unlike my previous post, THIS is my final comment on the subject!

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[AnnK]

At least now we ( DVC resorts) are being priced with the MODERATES......

These are excerpts from the post. If you wish to read it it's "Help me make it happen."

"she wants to take the grandkids 4&6, my husband and I to Disney." ( She is the Grandmother)

"I have spent days researching, buying info books, purchasing the DC, ...all to find bargains " ( "I" is the person setting the trip up)

"I want the value 49.00 room rate." ( This is a recent promo rate for All-Star)

This is a reply from another poster on the board.

. "Another suggestion is to rent points from a DVC member, check out their rental site on this board. I havent done this but people swear by it as a way to stay in a deluxe for the cost of a moderate."

I am not going to get caught up in the renters vs owners. I can't believe how posts get twisted and changed. DVC members SHOULD and COULD get more for their ROOMS ( or points ), the ONLY people who seem to disagree on this point are those who rent, and you can guess why they feel that way.

 

[TrudyZ]

Oh eva, not you too:

"I think that some of you are really missing the point. When you join DVC it is a special club. That is why it is called "Disney Vacation Club". If you notice we always wait until a person has actually decided to buy before giving him/her a big "Welcome Home"."

Read their post again. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY DECIDED TO BUY! They are going with checkbook in hand! So, perhaps they are not familiar with the exact rituals of the "special club"--is it such a social faux paus they committed that they deserved to be slammed??!. Why aren't people happy for them? What type of "special club" would chastise those just about to join? Seems pretty petty to me.

I too am a renter that rented for the sole purpose of validating my decision to buy into DVC. I too am going with check in hand. The only difference is that that poster knew that they are buying at WLVs. I am not sure yet if I will like that facility or will buy a resale at OKW or BWVs. Since this is such as "special club", do you have a special section for us who are tainted from previously renting? (There I go again, blowing all chances of being "welcomed home").

And on the "special club" thing. Hey, if it makes DVC members happy to think that way--go ahead. But let's give this some perspective: The only "qualification" is about $10K+, and that can be financed (can't even buy a new car for that these days); I'm not knocking DVC, just that calling it a "special club" is quite a stretch.

On your concerns about renters getting your reservations. I really think that the activity on these boards--which seems to be mostly limited to DVCers who have extra points that they can't use, not the sale of actual reservations; is pretty benign. What ought to bother you is the rental activity by Owners that have the appearance of "rent for profit" that goes on outside of these boards. These rentals are based on a flat rate for the reseration. They are always for weeknights and always for studios, and usually for the lower DVC seasons--greatest profit margin for the Owner. Take a gander at Ebay. Just for fun the other day, I checked it out. Here is what I found:

There are no less than 8 current listings--all for 5 weeknights (Sun-Thur) or less; all in a studio; and one is posted as Labor Day week rental (the 5 weeknights). If you go thru the closed auctions, in the last three weeks (since Feb. 23rd) there have been an additional 21 auctions--every one of them does not include Friday/Sat nights. In fact, FIVE OF THESE AUCTIONS WERE FOR CHRISTMAS OR THANKSGIVING. So, in the past 3 weeks there is a total of 29 or so auctions--each for weeknights and all for studios.

Personally, it is none of my business what these people do. I just thought that I would bring this to your attention. It is not the renters on Ebay requesting only weeknights, I am sure most would be happy to be offered weekends. It is the Owners wanting the greatest profit margin packaging them this way.

AnnK, and on the $10 pp--go ahead (as I have said MANY times before), charge what you would like. In fact, if you think or know that you can get more than $10 pp, you had better hurry. We all know that the economy is softening, the amount of discretionary money around is quickly decreasing, and such extras as vacations, etc., are always the first to go. Look at Disney itself. I have never seen as many deals and discounts on rooms for this time of year before. Don't you wonder why?