FYI point value according to those who rent......

[nuthut]

PAMOKW-

An answer to your question. The rentals on ebay sell for about 15 a point while the rentals here at 10-11 a point. I know of no other venue as good as ebay except renting to friends and family and referrals from other renters. Ebay cost about $20 to list and sell each time. Also many times are rented off ebay after the potential renters find an owner on ebay. Then there is no ebay fee.
Owners who rent thier points on this board are tossing money right out the window. Why? I guess they do not know any better.

I will not rent my points for $10 each so don't ask.

 

[PamOKW]

Thanks for the info on the rental sources.

As to whether DVC is deluxe or not, in the olden days before they created the Home Away From Home, the Disney Vacation Club (aka OKW) was always included in the Deluxe Category. Also, if you check some of our papers you'll see Deluxe is divided into 3 categories as well. GF on it's own; then most of the other deluxes and then a third category for WL and the Contemporary Wings.

 

[MN_DizNut]

So, I'm guessing no one here is willing to rent a gazillion points to me for a buck each???

Jon

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[McGrane]

Doesn't bother me if Lucky4Me doesn't consider OKW deluxe...all us OKW owners know how top scale this resort is. Deluxe is just a word used by Disney; if OKW didn't have the suites as part of the resort, they would be classified as "deluxe" instead of "home away from home". If you look at the nightly rental fee of OKW as compared to other "deluxes", you'll see it is the same or even less at the "deluxes". One can get a room at Polynesian or Contemporary for far less than OKW. Labels never meant much to me...just look at how much it costs and you'll know how "deluxe" OKW is.

By the way, Lucky4Me proves my point about why it's frustrating to rent to non-DVC-ers. Charging more per point for BW, WLV doesn't make sense because those resorts require more points to reserve. If you want to buy points for BW, you'll have to buy more of them to get same size room (unless you happen to get one of the rarely obtained standard views!) Furthermore, OKW rooms are larger and offer more in that regard.

 

[dianeschlicht]

You miss one very big point. OKW is a Townhouse, not a hotel!!!! It is for that very reason that many of us consider it the MOST deluxe resort. I agree that it is not a hotel atmosphere like BW or GF, but I don't want to stay in a hotel room. I want to stay in a "vacation home", and that is what I do.

Disneydiane

 

[Dean]

I can see what Lucky4me is saying, it's obviously she's not trashing OKW, just saying it's different. Though I personally like OKW best, it is different than the traditional 5* type resort. If you look at things like concierge, room service, maid service, plush lobby; it's not a Deluxe in those regards. What everyone else is saying is that the parking, quiet, scenery, room, full kitchen and back home feel make it as good or better than the traditional Deluxe resort and I would agree.

Dean

 

[baileybrad]

resorts are top notch and I think that what hurts when folks are allowed to steal the reservations so cheaply. But we do live in a democracy and I am sure there will always be someone willing to undercut others prices.

 

[wininbid]

It amazes me as to some of the comments listed on here. Let me quote one in particular....

"when folks are allowed to steal the reservations so cheaply".

No-one is stealing anything from anyone. Most of you people whining on here act as though the DVC resorts are only for you to use. $10/ point??, I traded into OKW through Interval International, and paid only $129 for the whole week. Guess I shouldn't have been able to do that either right. Or I guess I shouldn't try and book any of those resorts through Disney because it would be taking a spot from a DVC member. This is rediculous!
This is the problem. A large percentage of people are renting points for $10 each, and others want to get more for theirs, and can't. If you don't want to rent for $10 a point then don't. If the going rate is $10 per point, then they will always be available at that price. Spend more time planning a great trip for your family, and less time worrting about who is getting what for less than you, or less than you think they should! Unbelievable!

 

[Lucky4me]

Thankyou Dean. How could I trash OKW? I LOVE it there! Better than any other resort in WDW.

I own non Disney timeshares and the actual resorts are very close in comparison. While I feel that I am staying at a very classy, upgraded, beautiful place, its still not a "hotel" like GF, Cont., Poly. etc. and doesn't offer the amenities that they do. Having said that, given a choice I would pick OKW (or my own timeshare) over any of them! I like the comforts of home. Maybe thats why they put them into a category of their own called "Home away from home" thats exactly how I feel when I stay there.

(and I really, really wish I had the $$$ to buy some points...sigh...maybe when I get one or two kids out of college...its going to be a long 7 years!)

 

[Dean]

How about the cost of your timeshare, you're yearly maint fees and how'd you like the $95 resort services fee. You got lucky, one of the few and truly got a bargain. Actually DVC IS only for the members to use. Sure the members may use it by exchanging, trading points to Disney for other accomodations, Concierge Collection, etc. No one is obligated to make anything available to anyone else, member or nonmember. If they chose to, that's their bussiness as long as they fly within the rules. Sure there is some whining going on here but since we're part of the family, that's allowed. I'm not saying you're not welcome here or allowed to post (not my call anyway and I'm glad I don't have such responsibility) just that it's not the place of a non member to correct the members on this subject, IMO. Since I'm pretty far to the right on this subject, I'd guess you're going to get a few choice responses.

Dean

 

[eva]

I don't have a problem with others renting out their points. And I really don't care how much they charge for them. I think what bothers me the most is a non-member paying $80 a night for a studio could actually keep a DVC member from obtaining that studio at the 7-month window. I wish that there was some way that DVC could deal with this problem, like rentals only having a 6-month window. Sorry to say it would probably never work.

[This message was edited by eva on 03-16-01 at 10:17 AM.]

 

[Stephen]

The Member Guidelines states the following:

"Members are expressly prohibited from receiving compensation for engaging in any transfer activity."

I don't know if this rule applies to renting, but I am assuming so.

Does anyone know or have any comments?

 

[Firefighter Mickey]

That quote doesn't apply to renting. It applies to one member transfering points to another member. MS likewise does not police this and knows that members pay other members for points.

 

[Dean]

Stephen, if you check the board, there are recent discussions on renting. It definitley doesn't apply. Lets not have that discussion again.

Dean

 

[Bigcat]

Renting is allowed. We knew it when we bought our points. We all have the same opportunities to make reservations.

GET OVER IT!!!

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[PamOKW]

Stephen is absolutely correct that the guidelines specifically mention not allowing compensation for member transfers of points. From what I've seen, that is exactly how many point rentals are done. Of course, it is hard for DVC to enforce and poses another "grey" area. But, the rule is there if they decide to enforce it.

 

[LisaR]

Wininbid,
You and I are in the minority but I could not agree with you more! The difference is, I AM a DVC member - so I am probably as unwelcome here as you are. I'll get over it.

DVC ISN'T only for DVC members. If it was, Disney guides would not be telling people that it is legal to rent your points to ANYONE - and they are saying that. Also, if it was illegal, I would guess these boards would not have a specific area set up for renting points.

The complaining that "RENTERS" (that is a dirty word on these boards) are getting rooms for so cheap is just life. It happens all the time - especially with traveling. Do you think that everyone on that airplane with you paid the same amount as you? There are people who paid $200 up to $1000 and everywhere in between. Because the person who paid $200 found a good deal, does that make them wrong??? Should they hold out for a more expensive price because it might upset someone?
Right now the going rate to rent points is $10. The people who are getting $10 pp had a choice to make. Use the points themselves or rent them for the going price. It was their choice. Nobody forced them to rent. If you want to ask $15 or $20 a point, go for it. However, when people can rent from most for $10 pp they would be stupid not to do it. Why are DVC members who don't rent out their points so concerned and upset that those renting are "only" getting $10 pp? So it is a good deal - how does that effect everyone else?
I am thrilled to be a DVC member and love vacationing. I don't intend on renting my points because I want to vacation. But, for those of you who are able to get a good deal through renting, GO FOR IT!!

Lisa

 

[fumipappa]

This topic made me think some issue...

I know some people complain about difficulty of reservation. However, does it caused by the reservation of renting points? I still think it is tough to make reservation at certain time even though Disney strictly say "NO" to renting points because it is just seasonal matter, not the type of people who book.

I concern different part..

By renting points, DVC members are opening their facility to everyone. Doesn't it mean any kind of rude people(ex. spring break party? don't rule out as it won't happen. anything is possible) can rent DVC facility and create big mess at DVC property anytime? If I own some property, I don't want anybody to make any mess on mine. yes, it is just rental property but most of people are trying to use 40yrs more! If I own DVC, I don't want unknown people to create any mess on my yard. I am not saying all people who rented points are rude. I've never met any rude people at onsite hotel(unfortunately at park, yes). But I believe almost of members are trying to use their property as long as poosible because they paid and committed. On the other hand, I can easily imagine that one time renter does not care about future of the property much because they
tend not to come back to same location.(If they want, they should be using any facility neatly)

Anyway, my post became too long. One point I can suggest from outside is to create a simple rule to all DVC membership. It is to take full responsiblity to mess of any kind of reservation they make. So, if DVC member rent his/her points
to non-DVC member to make resrevation, then if the guy create the mess, DVC member takes responsiblity for that mess...

 

[LisaR]

Fumipappa,
Are you really serious??

QUOTE: "One time renter does not care about the future of the property much because they tend not to come back to the same location (if they want, they should be using any facility neatly)"

Okay, lets see.... I stayed at an Embassy Suites recently just for a night away, let the kids swim, etc. However, I don't intend on going back so I trashed the place, made a huge mess - NOT!! If you or anyone else out there actually behave that way, that is very, very sad.

There is a recent post from someone who just returned from HH and the people upstairs were rude. I am so surprised that nobody has suggested that it was a "renter". You know us DVC members are perfect so it could not have been a member. As you state, the non DVC members "create a mess" and they are "rude people".

Somewhere, sometime ago, someone decided to rent their points. Others jumped on the bandwagon. It is now a fact of life. However, probably 98% of renters are wonderful people but the same could be said of DVC members. Not ALL ARE ANGELS. I would stake my life that there have been DVC members (or their own family members) who have stolen towels, or left a room in a mess. Having just recently bought DVC, I do not recall seeing in the contract anywhere where it said if you are a slob or rude person, when you sign this contract you will instantly become perfect. QUIT BASHING RENTERS!

Lisa

 

[fumipappa]

I think my wording was not enough I aporogize.
I thought I stated that I did not rule out "renter=devil" or "member=angel". Anybody can be devil and anybody can be angel. But I thought if people "own" something I thought they use it more carefully.

what I wanted to say is that members should take full responsiblity to what they did for their own property even they actually stay or not because they "own" it. Can you allow other DVC members to rent points to non-members and the non-members ruin your vacation time? I think it is not only the non-mebers fault but also the members fault because the mess is created because the member gave "his" points. I believe basically the reservation is "his" property...

Anyway, I am Japanese so my English might create miscommunication. So I apologize for that part.