Future of DVC given recent events

Gary Carter

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I was talking to my wife this morning about DVC given the coronavirus, in tandem with the less than stellar sales of Riviera. I believe that Reflections wont happen, at least not on schedule, and any future DVC resorts are put on hold for a very long time. There is no way that a new DVC resort can open with any success in the short term. My wife disagrees, saying to keep the integrity of the brand they will push forward at least with reflections.

What do you guys think?
 
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As I have said on other threads I think there will be a limited delay but it will move forward. Where I differ from your wife is it will be because of future potential profits rather than brand reputation
 
I think this will push back Reflections and any other plans in the works for 8 to 12 months. I also think (and hope) they come up with some better processes to handle situations like this in the future. I sort of give them a pass this time because no one planned for something like this. I do wish their communications were more organized and transparent. I also would like to see DVC members get some kind of benefit for future trips (free dining, park credit, ticket discount, etc.). Just do something to show Disney values their BEST customers !
 
I should also qualify the I think that the hotel wing will be on hold indefinitely
 

For years, the only DVC property was the original Vacation Club, now OKW. Since the recognition by TWDC that timeshares can be a very profitable use of vacant land, there has been a push to open a resort every few years. DVD is clearly watching projections of how quickly a new resort will sell out, and planning on a new one to open up right before that time.

Of course, there was an epic "miss" on Aulani, which is still selling a decade after opening. None of the people who made that decision are still around, so they are a convenient scapegoat for the failure of Aulani to sell out in the 3 years that a typical new DVC resort sells.

With the size of RIV, I think they were probably originally projecting a 4 year sell through. That put REF into a 4 year build cycle. To hedge their bet, REF is half hotel. To ensure that RIV and REF wouldn't overlap too much, they could merely choose not to declare DVC inventory and use it as hotel rooms. This strategy hides any potential failure of RIV to sell out on time.

Now, we're into a new world. Will WDW immediately bounce back and zoom to full occupancy, or will the massive unemployment caused by the pandemic cause rooms to be empty, and thus make them question the need for a new hotel? Will the $40M loss per day stretching over months cause TWDC to scale back on hotel development to conserve cash?

My personal opinion is that TWDC is in a wait and see mode. They've temporarily halted some construction projects to conserve cash. If there is a real recession, or this pandemic runs for months more, you can be sure that REF will stay an empty lot until there is a demand for hotel rooms. It could be months of delay, or it could be years. REF won't be "half built" as a DVC only resort. They need the hotel side to make the rest of the amenities and infrastructure viable.
 
I was talking to my wife this morning about DVC given the coronavirus, in tandem with the less than stellar sales of Riviera. I believe that Reflections wont happen, at least not on schedule, and any future DVC resorts are put on hold for a very long time. There is no way that a new DVC resort can open with any success in the short term. My wife disagrees, saying to keep the integrity of the brand they will push forward at least with reflections.

What do you guys think?

Integrity and DVC are drifting apart fast! All kidding aside, DVD/DVC had abandoned/postponed projects in the past, so delaying Reflection won't necessarily hurt its reputation. I think if any DVC project were to keep moving forward despite of the economic uncertainty, the one at DL would be more likely (still no sure bet, though).

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We are on the West Coast so we think about Disney LAND more than WORLD but I definitely think the place where there is a shortage in DVC rooms is in California. And while the area is saturated in hotel rooms (many of them 2-star rooms pretending to be 3.5-star rooms) there are limited options for nice rooms, Disney rooms, and definitely for DVC rooms. I would think that this is the most likely place for more rooms to be available soon and for plans to stay as close to schedule as possible. I suppose it depends how long this epidemic lasts though.
 
I wonder (especially if this closure drags on into the summer) if DVC will work double-time to get Reflections open. If it opened before the 2022 estimate (even if only the villas were open), they could open those rooms for bookings for people who lost points during the closure. I know people would have to wait over a year to use those points, but I think most of us would be happy to 'bank' them for a future stay at Reflections instead of losing them completely.

If the virus lingers and testing/treatments are slow in coming, hotel bookings might slow also. If that's the case, Disney might open up for rooms for DVC to fill the vacancies.
 
I wonder (especially if this closure drags on into the summer) if DVC will work double-time to get Reflections open. If it opened before the 2022 estimate (even if only the villas were open), they could open those rooms for bookings for people who lost points during the closure. I know people would have to wait over a year to use those points, but I think most of us would be happy to 'bank' them for a future stay at Reflections instead of losing them completely.
I hadn't thought of this, but it could also lead to more direct sales as well to current members.

But I'm guessing that Reflections is going to be put on hold and reevaluated.
 
This question may have already been asked but after everything reopens, there will be a ton of points that have been delayed. DVC will not have the capacity to book everyone wanting to stay on property so how will they handle it?
Suggestions:
1. Allow banking beyond the 1 year limit
2. Reduce the points needed for DCL or ABD
3. Swap points for dining plans or park passes
4. Other

what do you think?
 
This question may have already been asked but after everything reopens, there will be a ton of points that have been delayed. DVC will not have the capacity to book everyone wanting to stay on property so how will they handle it?
Suggestions:
1. Allow banking beyond the 1 year limit
2. Reduce the points needed for DCL or ABD
3. Swap points for dining plans or park passes
4. Other

what do you think?

I like #3, not sure that is doable but I like it. It's a nice give and take to help offset some of the pain of losing points. Not sure it will happen but a nice idea.

I don't think #1 would work, it could/would still cause problems with too many points later down the line.

Not sure what DCL or ABD mean so no comment.
 
I like #3, not sure that is doable but I like it. It's a nice give and take to help offset some of the pain of losing points. Not sure it will happen but a nice idea.

I don't think #1 would work, it could/would still cause problems with too many points later down the line.

Not sure what DCL or ABD mean so no comment.

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This question may have already been asked but after everything reopens, there will be a ton of points that have been delayed. DVC will not have the capacity to book everyone wanting to stay on property so how will they handle it?
Suggestions:
1. Allow banking beyond the 1 year limit
2. Reduce the points needed for DCL or ABD
3. Swap points for dining plans or park passes
4. Other

what do you think?

#3 can not happen. They can not legally give people a remedy outside of this being a real estate ransaction.

#2 would require them to negotiate a new program with those divisions of Disney, Right now, we have access to that because we give them a DVC villa to rent for cash to pay.

#1 might be able to happen, but I have heard it may not be allowed via FL timeshare laws, But, there are points owned by DVD that are used as OTU points so they might get around that by offering a certain amount of those points each year, equivalent to what was lost, to be used at the 7 month window,

I think one option that will help to absorb excess points from lost rooms that I see as one of the better options, is for BVTC to create the non home resort booking charts they are allowed to create,

These can be made without needing to stay point neutral, So, if one wants to stay at a place other than home resort, you will pay more to do so than a home resort owner,
 
$40 Platinum APs for the life of the contract.
6 point nights at Reflections when it opens.
 
We are on the West Coast so we think about Disney LAND more than WORLD but I definitely think the place where there is a shortage in DVC rooms is in California. And while the area is saturated in hotel rooms (many of them 2-star rooms pretending to be 3.5-star rooms) there are limited options for nice rooms, Disney rooms, and definitely for DVC rooms. I would think that this is the most likely place for more rooms to be available soon and for plans to stay as close to schedule as possible. I suppose it depends how long this epidemic lasts though.
Also a West Coaster, I think you're right that the DLH 4th tower will get built regardless of the economy. Since VGC began sales at the onset of the Great Recession, and still sold out in under 2 years, its a no-brainer to keep moving forward with that as much as the City of Anaheim will allow.
 












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