Full Screen or Letter-boxed

How do you feel about stretching versus black bars on networks like TNT and TBS?

  • 1 - I prefer stretching

  • 2 - I prefer black bars but I don't watch commercials

  • 3 - I prefer black bars but I'm younger than 18 or older than 50

  • 4 - I prefer black bars but I wouldn't watch networks like TNT or TBS anyway

  • 5 - I prefer black bars but I wouldn't watch old programs anyway

  • 6 - I prefer black bars but I don't matter for some other reason

  • 7 - I prefer black bars, am in between 18 and 50, and buy things because of commercials


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This is a common flame-fest on some of the videophile websites, and it is focused mostly on Turner cable channels TNT and TBS. Sometimes, when they have programming that was filmed using old technology (is shaped with a 4:3 aspect ratio, like old analog televisions, instead of is shaped with a 16:9 aspect ratio, like new HDTVs), they present it on their HD channels with a full screen presentation, i.e., they stretch it to fit the HDTV's wider screen, instead of showing it with black bars on the sides.

I'm curious how this more typical population (DISboards Community Forum Members) feel about this (admitted rather esoteric) question.

The majority of people, I suspect, prefer the black bars to stretching, but that's not the point I usually make. Instead, I make the point that many of the folks who prefer the black bars are folks who aren't typically swayed by commercials anyway, and so therefore don't count as much as those who are.

I hope I've explained the issue well-enough, but please ask if anything is confusing. I know this is a confusing question. :thumbsup2
 
There is no such thing as a full-screen video. This is a misnomer that has been applied to home video. 35MM film stocks have an aspect ratio of 1.37:1, and since the 1880's or so up until the late 1940's this was the standard projection ratio. Then with the advent of television in people's home, theater attendance went way down. So many new innovative film processes were developed to bring people back, such as Cinerama, with it's deep curved screen, and the more well-known Cinemascope, with it's "widescreen" 2.35:1 aspect ration. The reality is, Cinemascope uses special lenses to squeeze more picture into that same 1.37:1 film stock. And then there are films that are filmed flat, or "spherical". The normal 1.37:1 film stock is used, then when the film is projected theatrically, special plates in the projector mask off a portion of the image, to give a "widescreen" aspect ratio, of 1.66:1, or most commonly 1.85:1. Some films are filmed in the Super 35 process, which uses the 1.37:1 film stock, but then the theatrical aspect ratio of 2.35:1 is cut from the 1.37:1 negative, then optically cropped and printed with anamorphic lenses to get a "widescreen" image. John Cameron is fond of this process, films like The Abyss and Titanic were done this way, for the most part. It's a cheaper way to film as it uses the standard sperical lenses, as anamorphic lenses are expensive to rent. But the real bugger is when a theatrical film is prepared for home video. So the aspect ratio of a standard TV is 1.33:1, so the film has to be adapted for this screen. If a film has been filmed spherically, it has a negative ratio of 1.37:1, so no editing has to be done, just zoomed in slightly to adapt to the 1.33:1 ratio, in what is called an "open matte" presentation (this method has is flaws, as very often the open matte will reveal things that would be hidden by the masking, such as boom mics moving back and forth over actor's heads, and other practical effects. A perfect example is the film Pee Wee's Big Adventure. In one scene, Pee Wee pulls a seemingly endless chain from the sidebag on his bike. In the theatrical projection, the illusion of the endless chain is preserved, but in the open matte home video version, you can clearly see the chain coming through a hole in the bottom of the sidebag, ruining the joke). However, if a film was done in a truly anamorphic process, as much as half of the original image can be lost in the adaptation from 2.35:1 down to the 1.33:1. This is called the "pan and scan" process, and is disliked by most true film buffs, as it destroys the original image, and alters the director's and cinematographer's original vision of the film. As an example of what I mean, here is an image from the film Poltergeist, that shows the original anamorphic image, and the white area which shows the area from the "pan and scan" version:

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So you can see how much of the original image is lost in the adaptation to home video, at least for the 1.33:1 TV. The original shot composition is completely destroyed. This is most noticeable when the subjects in the frame are at the extreme ends of the 2.35:1 frame, this is when you get the infamous "talking noses" in some films. However, with the advent of DVD, the proper aspect ratio of the film is preserved, though some films have not received this treatment, and are just available in the "pan and scan" ratio. In the days of laserdisc, and early DVD, the aspect ratio was preserved with so-called "letterboxing', where the image is shrunk down to fit the 2.35:1 image into the 1.33:1 frame, with the so-called 'black bars' on the top and bottom of the screen. Another interesting development is films that are recorded digitally, onto a computer or digital video tape, and not the traditional film stock. These films can be produced in any aspect ratio desired, and most often presented on DVD in that original ratio. But another thorn in the side of videophiles is when a film is suposedly "upgraded" to HD. It isn't a problem when a film's intended ratio is 1.85:1, as HD is 1.78:1, so the cropping off the top and bottom is minor and not really noticeable. But when a film that is 2.35:1 is cropped down to the 1.78:1 for HD, the original vision is destroyed. It's almost worse than the old "pan and scan" process for 1.33:1. So when it comes to a true videophile, the "black bars" that preserve aspect ratio really don't matter in the end, just as long as it shows what the director and cinematographer intended.

I could go even deeper than this, but it's enough for now. Geek rant over.

:3dglasses
 
:confused: Well I thought I kind of understood Bicker, but Sosai just went right over my head.

Yeah. My answer is that I refuse to watch movies that are edited and have commercials. So, no TNT, TBS, or FX for me. I don't have a wide screen TV, but I know the stretching would bother me. I think I'd take the black bars.

On my ancient 36" tv, I like to watch my movies in letterbox format.
 
I prefer the original aspect ratio. It doesn't matter what it was originally (widescreen or pan & scan), I want it shown in the original version.

I don't like alterations away from the original artistic design.



Oh. I'm in my mid thirtys.
 

I prefer to see the movie in the aspect ratio in which it was filmed.

That being said I much prefer a wide screen aspect ratio.
 
What does commercial watching have to do with this?

I could careless. It I like the show I watch it.
 
I'm not a fan of the stretching, nor the black bars really. But, I prefer them over the stretching so I voted for the black bars.
 
:confused: Well I thought I kind of understood Bicker, but Sosai just went right over my head.

:lmao: Ditto. The thought that Sosai could go further made me break out in hives but I don't like pan and scan either so I THINK we're in agreement. :thumbsup2

I like letterbox and I love old movies. I don't like editing for tv and I absolutely despise that colorization thing that went on for awhile (which wasn't a question here but I just really dislike it so thought I'd throw that in to muddle the issue even more.):rotfl:
 
I prefer to watch an old TV show in its original aspect ratio and not stretched to fit a 16:9 screen, so I'd rather there be pillarboxes (bars on the sides). Ditto with movies and letterboxes (bars on the top).
 
I prefer the original aspect ratio. It doesn't matter what it was originally (widescreen or pan & scan), I want it shown in the original version.

I don't like alterations away from the original artistic design.



Oh. I'm in my mid thirtys.


Pan and scan is not viewing the original size. It is a smaller box that is moved around to try and follow the action.

I prefer original size and ratio also.

Mikeeee
 
Pan and scan is not viewing the original size. It is a smaller box that is moved around to try and follow the action.

I prefer original size and ratio also.

Mikeeee

I actually know that. It's just commonly called that. Darned if I know what that aspect ratio is actually called. Normal? Squared shaped?

I just watch a lot of movies from the 30's and 40's and don't want them stretched to fit a wide screen.
 
I also prefer to see a film in the original aspect ratio. I am between 18 and 50, and I do watch commercials. However - I don't buy things if the commercials for them annoy me too much, and rarely (if ever) buy things because of commercials.

I love older movies and want to see them as they were originally filmed. No changes in the aspect ratio and no changes in color.
 
:confused: Well I thought I kind of understood Bicker, but Sosai just went right over my head.
How often have folks say that about me, here on the DIS (i.e., understanding me and someone else being hard to understand)!!!???!!!??? :rotfl:
 
I prefer the original aspect ratio. It doesn't matter what it was originally (widescreen or pan & scan), I want it shown in the original version.
Just to be clear, you're saying you want the black bars, right?
 
I prefer wide screen formats when watching movies rather than full screen...either on television or DVD. :thumbsup2
 
What does commercial watching have to do with this?
Everything: If you don't watch commercials, or watch them but they don't drive you to make purchases, then the folks who actually pay for most of the costs of the programming you watch aren't getting anything in return for paying for your programming, and therefore don't care as much about what you like and don't like.

Entertainment programming on television, especially on the local broadcast channels, but also on cable networks, is principally a medium for delivering sales to advertisers. Anything else that occurs (i.e., someone enjoying watching a program) is secondary and/or incidental to the objectives of the enterprise delivering the programming.

So putting that into context: None of the "I prefer black bars" votes count yet. By the same token, I messed up: I should have had the same set of choices regarding commercial demographics for "I prefer stretching" that I had for "I prefer black bars". Sorry about that. Hopefully folks will indicate in their messages how they respond to commercials.

I could careless. It I like the show I watch it.
I forgot to include a "I don't care" category -- I should have.
 
Just to be clear, you're saying you want the black bars, right?

Original aspect ratio. Black bars if the occasion requires it. Changing the original version is something that really should never happen. No matter what size your screen is.

Oh. And I typically don't watch commercials.
 
Just in case everyone's wondering who admitted they buy things based on commercials... it was me! :blush:

I answered #7 - I prefer back boxes, I watch commercials and I buy things based on commercials. My nephew's Christmas present, for example, I bought based on the cool commercials. Followed up by solid internet research including price comparisons and reviews, of course... :rotfl:
 


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